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    How can a court find that the 2nd Amendment doesnt apply to states?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...efer=worldwide

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    We just need to hope that the Supreme court hears this case, and decides in the citizens favor.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    We just need to hope that the Supreme court hears this case, and decides in the citizens favor.
    I think they will hear it since there are two different circuit courts giving opposing rulings. The ruling from SCOTUS that denies the 2nd in applying to the states is, if i remember right, from 1882. It is about time it is reheard and decided on again.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    This has to do with Washington State how? Looks like something suitable for the Illinois forum.

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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    This has to do with Washington State how? Looks like something suitable for the Illinois forum.
    Has to do with incorporation of the 2nd Amendment at the National level if it proceeds to SCOTUS.

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    Because if they don't rule in their favor than people like Mayor 5 pennies can appeal to Olympia to reject preemption. Plus I like seeing citizens of all states having the same freedoms we have here.

    But maybe this threadshould be moved to hot topics in the open forum.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    This has to do with Washington State how? Looks like something suitable for the Illinois forum.
    Ahhh quit trying to boost your post count. :P

    In all seriousness it will apply to us all because of the national impact it could have in the end of it all.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

    "though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for I know that you are by my side" Glock 23:40

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Because if they don't rule in their favor than people like Mayor 5 pennies can appeal to Olympia to reject preemption. Plus I like seeing citizens of all states having the same freedoms we have here.

    But maybe this threadshould be moved to hot topics in the open forum.
    Actually due to the Ninth Circuit ruling that extended the 2nd Amendment to the states, it is now incorporated in Washington. A SCOTUS review could either extend that incorporation to all the states or deny it to all the states. They could also rule on the merits of either case without discussing incorporation at all.

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    How can a court find that the 2nd Amendment doesnt apply to states?
    It's no matter. It's just an expected step in the process of getting the SCOTUS to incorporate.

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Because if they don't rule in their favor than people like Mayor 5 pennies can appeal to Olympia to reject preemption. Plus I like seeing citizens of all states having the same freedoms we have here.

    But maybe this threadshould be moved to hot topics in the open forum.
    I don't see the connection between this court decision and Fivepennies (great name lol) trying to get past preemption.

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    I was thinking along the same lines of Heresolong. It can go real good or it can go real bad for everyone in U.S.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    I was thinking along the same lines of Heresolong. It can go real good or it can go real bad for everyone in U.S.
    This is true, but even if the 2A doesn't get incorporated, our state preemption isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Our constitution is very clear on our RKBA.

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    Decoligny wrote:
    sv_libertarian wrote:
    This has to do with Washington State how? Looks like something suitable for the Illinois forum.
    Has to do with incorporation of the 2nd Amendment at the National level if it proceeds to SCOTUS.
    Still meaningless for Washington State, and it doesn't directly apply to anything going on in Washington. Once can play 7 degrees of separation all they want but it doesn't make an off topic post on topic.

    As a Kalifornian I don't expect you to realize that Washington State already has some of the strongest constitutional protections for RKBA in the nation. So really even national incorporation is meaningless to WA in the sense that we already have exceptional protection in our own constitution.

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    sudden valley gunner wrote:
    Because if they don't rule in their favor than people like Mayor 5 pennies can appeal to Olympia to reject preemption. Plus I like seeing citizens of all states having the same freedoms we have here.

    But maybe this threadshould be moved to hot topics in the open forum.
    Wouldn't change a thing. Look at the wording of our constitution. Even without incorporation Nickels hasn't been able to fight anything. Plus if Nickels really had the power most people give him, he would have gotten an AWB imposed years ago when he and his goons were pushing for one.

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    Doesn't really matter anyway, SCOTUS does not trump the supreme creator of the universe. We DO have a very good State Constitution, unfortunately, not all States have that, and that's pretty sad....
    When the **** hits the fan, ask yourself: What Would Bugly Do?

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    I suppose thats why we have so many gun freedoms in this state despite years of Liberal rule. That is some comfort.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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