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    U.S. Senator Diane Feinstein boasts about her future gun control plans on CBS' " 60 Minutes " : 12APR2009

    " I'll pick the time and the place , no question about that . "

    Sen. Feinstein is the author of the original 1994 AWB signed by Clinton .

    " Never waste a good crisis . "

    The seemingly backed off gun grabbers are busily stacking the deck in their favor and waiting for such a crisis . What crisis would be big enough to destroy the Second Amendment ?

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    A very large and wide spread series of terrorist attacks not aimed at sterile buildings such as the World Trade Center towers, but rather things most people could easily identify with and understand. Large primary and secondary schools, major shopping centers, large churches, sporting event crowds, and even neighborhoods. Do these on a sudden and nationwide scale in many towns across the country. The best thing would be a few nuclear attacks.. as in explosions rather than radioactive fizzles.. creates a far more dramatic affect. Then watch as the fed declare martial law, and begin roundups of all persons who are questionable along with the confiscation of private arms.

    There are devices right now in development which will allow federal agents and troops to take fingerprints, facial scans, iris scans, and voice recognition scans. This information can very quickly be checked against large databases containing feature data which matches these images and there you have it. Nearly instant detainment and arrest. In the event of the scenarios in the first paragraph, forget about habeas corpus... Lincoln did.

    Monetary, real and personal property seizure would become the norm. All for the good of the people. Forget about individual liberty.
    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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    President Obama said today that America is a Muslim nation and Islam is the fastest growing culture in the U.S. [ only true in U.S. prisons] . Both conservatives and liberals are praising President Obama's ability to communicate in this part of the world because his father is Muslim . However the teachings of the Islamic radical's interpertations of the Qu'ran call for the total destruction of all Jews and Christians .

    President Obama just told Iran that he approved of their Nuclear Program and the U.S. has back of the support of Israel at the U.N.

    Did you know that Israel , SEP2007 took out Syria's Nuclear Reactor with the backing of the U.S. ? Why not ?

    What will happen when Israel takes out Iran's Nuclear Program without the support of the U.S. ?

    One homegrown Islamic terrorist bringing in 4 pounds of antrax will create the exact type of crisis the anti-Constutionist want . The Israel/Arab conflict does not need to reachsuch a level either .

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    Two Arabic responses to President Obama's speech to them today after he read many verses from the Qu'ran:

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    "None of our leaders memorize the Qu'ran's verses ."

    [ teleprompter anyone ? ]

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    " Obama is speaking words that mean nothing in reality "

    [ reality? Jews and Christians are Allah's eternal enemies ]

    read...... http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025130.php

    video ..... http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php...3eabea1ceb73e4

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    Baring another crisis first , this foreign policy will create the crisis used to take away the RKBA.

    Am I wrong ?







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    Tear uh wrists!!!!!!



    Seriously, Bush is gone. Can we grow up and move on?


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    R a Z o R wrote:
    SNIP Baring another crisis first , this foreign policy will create the crisis used to take away the RKBA.

    Am I wrong ?
    I don't care whether you are right or wrong. No offense. Really.

    Sometimes I just cannot understand why the worry over a rescinded 2A.

    If they are gonna do it, they're gonna do it.You can only do so much to prevent it. You can only do the most you can do. If they still rescind it, they still rescind it, even though you did as much as you could.

    So what if they do? All bets are off. They've broken faith so badly, declared their true intentions so clearly, as to be unmistakeable.

    You cannot control those people but so much. If they insist on enslaving you,

    Start shooting.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Tear uh wrists!!!!!!



    Seriously, Bush is gone. Can we grow up and move on?
    LOL

    But seriously, while Bush is gone, most of his bad policies remain in place, including the government reserving the right to spy on people and incarcerate them without charge. Guantanamo Bay is still open, despite the BS campaign promises. The TSA still violates old ladies, now with better equip. The FBI can still write "national security letters", the USA PATRIOT Act and derivatives have not been repealed. The DEA is still jailing potheads, and now Mexican drug dealers are the new excuse for demonizing America's gun culture.

    Add to that Obama's willingness to take Bush's disastrous bail-out nonsense and amplify it, as well as his general belief that government socialism is a good idea, and we find that once, the current president may be the worst in history, just as the last one was, and the one before, ad nauseum going back to Lincoln.

    And BTW, we are still at war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Pakistan. No end in sight.

    But at least he makes us feel better. I mean, hey, as long as a trendy Democrat is running the dictatorship, it's all cool, right?

    Enough rambling. I forget the purpose of this thread. There's no news in the OP. Are we to speculate on how it might all come unraveled?

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    Citizen wrote:
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    SNIP Baring another crisis first , this foreign policy will create the crisis used to take away the RKBA.

    Am I wrong ?
    I don't care whether you are right or wrong. No offense. Really.

    Sometimes I just cannot understand why the worry over a rescinded 2A.

    If they are gonna do it, they're gonna do it.You can only do so much to prevent it. You can only do the most you can do. If they still rescind it, they still rescind it, even though you did as much as you could.

    So what if they do? All bets are off. They've broken faith so badly, declared their true intentions so clearly, as to be unmistakeable.

    You cannot control those people but so much. If they insist on enslaving you,

    Start shooting.
    So true. If they "destroy" any part of the Bill of Rights, then the Bill of Rights wasn't doing its job in the first place.

    If appeals to the king and the law are ineffective, you must make an appeal to heaven.



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    Tomahawk wrote:
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    Tear uh wrists!!!!!!



    Seriously, Bush is gone. Can we grow up and move on?
    LOL

    But seriously, while Bush is gone, most of his bad policies remain in place, including the government reserving the right to spy on people and incarcerate them without charge. Guantanamo Bay is still open, despite the BS campaign promises. The TSA still violates old ladies, now with better equip. The FBI can still write "national security letters", the USA PATRIOT Act and derivatives have not been repealed. The DEA is still jailing potheads, and now Mexican drug dealers are the new excuse for demonizing America's gun culture.

    Add to that Obama's willingness to take Bush's disastrous bail-out nonsense and amplify it, as well as his general belief that government socialism is a good idea, and we find that once, the current president may be the worst in history, just as the last one was, and the one before, ad nauseum going back to Lincoln.

    And BTW, we are still at war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Pakistan. No end in sight.

    But at least he makes us feel better. I mean, hey, as long as a trendy Democrat is running the dictatorship, it's all cool, right?

    Enough rambling. I forget the purpose of this thread. There's no news in the OP. Are we to speculate on how it might all come unraveled?

    Ooooooh!! Is THAT what he was trying to say? Now I understand. Iagree 100%.

    All I heard was "muslim, muslim, muslim, israel, muslim, terrorist, muslim, muslim, terrorist, death, destruction, nuclear weapons, muslim, terrorist, islam."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsqPeqhKJ7Q

    I must have heard wrong. I thought he was spewing more extreme-right rhetoric. My mistake.


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    AWDstylez wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote: Ooooooh!! Is THAT what he was trying to say? Now I understand. Iagree 100%.

    All I heard was "muslim, muslim, muslim, israel, muslim, terrorist, muslim, muslim, terrorist, death, destruction, nuclear weapons, muslim, terrorist, islam."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsqPeqhKJ7Q

    I must have heard wrong. I thought he was spewing more extreme-right rhetoric. My mistake.
    I see your point, and I agree. Another "freedom lover" who kept his mouth shut when Republicans were running all over the Bill of Rights.

    They're a dime a dozen, these days.

    But, you gotta remember, whoever's not in charge is your new ally. For now.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    SNIP So true. If they "destroy" any part of the Bill of Rights, then the Bill of Rights wasn't doing its job in the first place.
    I forgot to add:

    Don't forget, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the agreements.

    If they break the agreement, they are releasing themselves from their obligations under the agreement.

    But, heh, heh, heh, they are also, in that instant, releasing you from your obligations under the agreement.

    The whole trick they have been trying to pull for years is to release themselves from the agreement, while making you think you are still bound by an agreement they no longer recognize.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
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    Tomahawk wrote: Ooooooh!! Is THAT what he was trying to say? Now I understand. Iagree 100%.

    All I heard was "muslim, muslim, muslim, israel, muslim, terrorist, muslim, muslim, terrorist, death, destruction, nuclear weapons, muslim, terrorist, islam."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsqPeqhKJ7Q

    I must have heard wrong. I thought he was spewing more extreme-right rhetoric. My mistake.
    I see your point, and I agree. Another "freedom lover" who kept his mouth shut when Republicans were running all over the Bill of Rights.

    They're a dime a dozen, these days.

    But, you gotta remember, whoever's not in charge is your new ally. For now.


    On a more serious note...the threat of the government fades further and further from my mind with each passing day. In their quest for power, our masters have taken things too far and got ingrossly over their heads. This country will simply implode withouta single shot being fired.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    I see your point, and I agree. Another "freedom lover" who kept his mouth shut when Republicans were running all over the Bill of Rights.

    They're a dime a dozen, these days.

    But, you gotta remember, whoever's not in charge is your new ally. For now.
    Hawk , my eyes were opened when I was told for several weeks that we were not in Loas . I was drafted with anervous wetting the bed problem at that time .Bush 41 is my least favorite President so far . I supported Bo Grietz and Ron Paul for President .

    Becoming united so that our voting block will mean something in 2010 is important .



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    AWDstylez wrote:
    On a more serious note...the threat of the government fades further and further from my mind with each passing day. In their quest for power, our masters have taken things too far and got ingrossly over their heads. This country will simply implode withouta single shot being fired.
    Not sure about that. Right now things are still working under a veneer of law and order. But if "implosion" happens, the gloves will come off.

    For starters, lots of police and military power is concentrated in just one man. So every wackjob in the country wants his job. And when the chips are down, that man is going to use his power to keep in control. Even if he can't, he will do a lot of damage in the process of losing it.

    Maybe I'm a gloom-monger, but I doubt the government will cease to be a threat.

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    R a Z o R wrote:
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    I see your point, and I agree. Another "freedom lover" who kept his mouth shut when Republicans were running all over the Bill of Rights.

    They're a dime a dozen, these days.

    But, you gotta remember, whoever's not in charge is your new ally. For now.
    Hawk , my eyes were opened when I was told for several weeks that we were not in Loas . I was drafted with anervous wetting the bed problem at that time .Bush 41 is my least favorite President so far . I supported Bo Grietz and Ron Paul for President .

    Becoming united so that our voting block will mean something in 2010 is important .

    Well, that's good to read. Too many people turn off their fear of excessive authority when their man is in charge.

    I supported Ron Paul, as well, but in a way I'm glad he didn't get elected, because I fear the pressure to compromise himself would've been too great to bear.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    SNIP Maybe I'm a gloom-monger, but I doubt the government will cease to be a threat.
    Well, if it looks kinda gloomy out, there is no sense in saying the sun is shining.

    I certainly don't get the idea the bad weather is breaking. I don't see any clouds moving off. No blue sky on my doppler weather radar.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
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    SNIP So true. If they "destroy" any part of the Bill of Rights, then the Bill of Rights wasn't doing its job in the first place.
    I forgot to add:

    Don't forget, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the agreements.

    If they break the agreement, they are releasing themselves from their obligations under the agreement.

    But, heh, heh, heh, they are also, in that instant, releasing you from your obligations under the agreement.

    The whole trick they have been trying to pull for years is to release themselves from the agreement, while making you think you are still bound by an agreement they no longer recognize.
    That's a good point. (Of course it dredges up the old argument that there is no agreement in the first place. After all, whoever asked you to sign the Constitution?)

    The trick you speak of is to make you believe it's not an agreement at all, but an obligation and a patriotic duty to do as you are commanded. They legitimize it by pointing out that those doing the commanding were elected, and that democracy, not individual liberty, is the ideal goal of civilization.






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    Tomahawk wrote:
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    Tomahawk wrote:
    SNIP So true. If they "destroy" any part of the Bill of Rights, then the Bill of Rights wasn't doing its job in the first place.
    I forgot to add:

    Don't forget, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the agreements.

    If they break the agreement, they are releasing themselves from their obligations under the agreement.

    But, heh, heh, heh, they are also, in that instant, releasing you from your obligations under the agreement.

    The whole trick they have been trying to pull for years is to release themselves from the agreement, while making you think you are still bound by an agreement they no longer recognize.
    That's a good point. (Of course it dredges up the old argument that there is no agreement in the first place. After all, whoever asked you to sign the Constitution?)

    The trick you speak of is to make you believe it's not an agreement at all, but an obligation and a patriotic duty to do as you are commanded. They legitimize it by pointing out that those doing the commanding were elected, and that democracy, not individual liberty, is the ideal goal of civilization.




    The sun might come out after all .

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    This country will simply implode withouta single shot being fired.
    Isn't that what Nakita promised?


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    Citizen wrote:
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    SNIP So true. If they "destroy" any part of the Bill of Rights, then the Bill of Rights wasn't doing its job in the first place.
    I forgot to add:

    Don't forget, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the agreements.

    If they break the agreement, they are releasing themselves from their obligations under the agreement.

    But, heh, heh, heh, they are also, in that instant, releasing you from your obligations under the agreement.

    The whole trick they have been trying to pull for years is to release themselves from the agreement, while making you think you are still bound by an agreement they no longer recognize.
    I take it that if they default on their agreement, we get an open season on government critters. NO BAG LIMIT!

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    SNIPThey legitimize it by pointing out that those doing the commanding were elected, and that democracy, not individual liberty, is the ideal goal of civilization.
    Great point!

    I recall nothing in the Constitution that authorizes the government to ignore the Constitution as long as people go along with it via elections, democratic or otherwise.

    Neither do I recall anything in the Constitution that authorizes government to revert soley to election and democracy as the only restraints on their power.


    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    SNIP So true. If they "destroy" any part of the Bill of Rights, then the Bill of Rights wasn't doing its job in the first place.
    I forgot to add:

    Don't forget, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the agreements.

    If they break the agreement, they are releasing themselves from their obligations under the agreement.

    But, heh, heh, heh, they are also, in that instant, releasing you from your obligations under the agreement.

    The whole trick they have been trying to pull for years is to release themselves from the agreement, while making you think you are still bound by an agreement they no longer recognize.
    SNIP I take it that if they default on their agreement...
    Already happened.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    SNIP So true. If they "destroy" any part of the Bill of Rights, then the Bill of Rights wasn't doing its job in the first place.
    I forgot to add:

    Don't forget, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the agreements.

    If they break the agreement, they are releasing themselves from their obligations under the agreement.

    But, heh, heh, heh, they are also, in that instant, releasing you from your obligations under the agreement.

    The whole trick they have been trying to pull for years is to release themselves from the agreement, while making you think you are still bound by an agreement they no longer recognize.
    Sounds a lot like the dang taxicab industry.

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