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    Taken off another site I often visit;

    Australian Gun Law Update

    Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts...
    From: Ed Chenel , A police officer in Australia



    Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under.

    It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced
    By a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by
    Our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

    The first year results are now in:
    Australia-wide, homicides are up 6.2 percent,
    Australia-wide, assaults are up 9.6 percent;
    Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

    In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent.
    (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not and criminals still possess their guns!)

    While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

    There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

    Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in 'successfully ridding Australian society of guns.' You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

    The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

    Take note Americans, before it's too late!


    Will you be one of the sheeple to turn yours in? WHY? You will need it.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    By the way, this was from 1996 to 2008
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    bigdaddy1 wrote:
    By the way, this was from 1996 to 2008
    I doubt greatly whether it could include 2008 data. That makes no sense.

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    It doesnt make a lot of sense to me. The post stated 12 months later, which would be 1997. But the Google search I did to try to verify the information indicated 2009 data from 2008 statistics.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    I first saw this exact information when I was a Freshman in High School, and I am now 23. I'd like to see some more current data than this.
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    Michigander wrote:
    I first saw this exact information when I was a Freshman in High School, and I am now 23. I'd like to see some more current data than this.
    Maybe, through some sort of weird convergence of highly improbable (yet, gratefully fortunate for us) occurences,Australian crime producesexactly the same data--year after year after year?

    That would make the numbers all the more persuasive!

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    Michigander wrote:
    I first saw this exact information when I was a Freshman in High School, and I am now 23. I'd like to see some more current data than this.
    http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/

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    Hmm. While I'd like to trust this, I have a difficult time taking seriously someone who would end their plea with the word "sheeple".

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    I've been getting these "statistics" in my junk e-mail box for a few years now.

    http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

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    Poke around this site a bit for more up to date information:

    http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/violence/stats/



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    FogRider wrote:
    Hmm. While I'd like to trust this, I have a difficult time taking seriously someone who would end their plea with the word "sheeple".
    I find the flaws in the data far more telling than the vernacular of the spreader...
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
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    ixtow wrote:
    FogRider wrote:
    Hmm. While I'd like to trust this, I have a difficult time taking seriously someone who would end their plea with the word "sheeple".
    I find the flaws in the data far more telling than the vernacular of the spreader...
    Well, sure. But their vernacular goes a long way (for me) towards questioning the data. If you want me to take your data seriously, speak seriously. If you insist on using stupid language, I will assume that your message is stupid.

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    FogRider wrote:
    ixtow wrote:
    FogRider wrote:
    Hmm. While I'd like to trust this, I have a difficult time taking seriously someone who would end their plea with the word "sheeple".
    I find the flaws in the data far more telling than the vernacular of the spreader...
    Well, sure. But their vernacular goes a long way (for me) towards questioning the data. If you want me to take your data seriously, speak seriously. If you insist on using stupid language, I will assume that your message is stupid.
    Aye, there is the rub... Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
    http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangm...rice_Ogden.htm

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    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    ixtow wrote:
    Aye, there is the rub... Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.
    Yes, but I don't check broken clocks when I want to know what time it is.

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    FogRider wrote:
    ixtow wrote:
    Aye, there is the rub... Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.
    Yes, but I don't check broken clocks when I want to know what time it is.
    Even working clocks are usually off a bit.

    Data flavored with attitude or opinion is not a broken clock. Avoiding it and not even attempting to check it's veracity, is a cop-out. Much the same as just assuming everything the police say is a lie. It probably is, but I'll check anyway. I might learn something.
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
    http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangm...rice_Ogden.htm

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    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    Maybe this post should just be deleted.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    buster81 wrote:
    Michigander wrote:
    I first saw this exact information when I was a Freshman in High School, and I am now 23. I'd like to see some more current data than this.
    http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/

    Thanks, buster. Here's a blurb from that link you provided:

    Homicide statistics
    Over the past 18 years (1 July 1989 to 30 June 2007), the rate of homicide incidents decreased from 1.9 in 1990-91 and 1992-93 to the second-lowest recorded rate, of 1.3, in 2006-07.

    Murder is the predominant charge and has been throughout the 18-year data-collection period. In 2006-07, there were 230 murder charges, 28 manslaughter charges, one infanticide charge, and one unknown. The type of charge against an offender may change once the incident proceeds through the judicial process.

    In 2006-07, there were 260 homicide instances, involving 266 victims and 296 offenders.

    Note: The majority of homicide data presented below is derived from two main sources with different data collection cycles. The charts and tables derived from the Institute's National Homicide Monitoring Program data set is collected on a financial year cycle. The other charts and tables are based on ABS data which is collected on a calendar year cycle.


    Homicide victims from 1993 to 2007 (number per year)



    • The number of murder victims fluctuated slightly from 1993 to 2007, whereas manslaughter remained relatively stable.
    • The number of murder victims peaked in 1999, at 344; the number of manslaughter victims peaked in 2002, at 48.
    • The 253 murder and 29 manslaughter victims recorded in 2007 were the lowest annual number yet recorded.
    Homicide incidents in Australia, 1989-90 to 2006-07 (number)




    Homicides involving firearms as a percentage of total homicides, 1915-2003





    Once again, it is patently clear that gun regulation DOES NOT MATTER and that GUN REGULATION WILL MEAN MORE NOT LESS deaths.

    The antis cannot argue the FACTS! They should give it up. What do ya expect from sheeple...

    Though I am kinda worried about the gun homicides as a percentage of total homicides. Wait! I know. The data and stats are WRONG! That's it. Bad data...what the heck else could it be?

    Thank God someone found that link...

    "More money for us."


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    Yay for facts! I can haz moar?
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
    http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangm...rice_Ogden.htm

    https://gunthreadadapters.com

    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    HankT wrote:
    buster81 wrote:
    Michigander wrote:
    I first saw this exact information when I was a Freshman in High School, and I am now 23. I'd like to see some more current data than this.
    http://www.aic.gov.au/stats/

    Thanks, buster. Here's a blurb from that link you provided:

    Homicide statistics
    Over the past 18 years (1 July 1989 to 30 June 2007), the rate of homicide incidents decreased from 1.9 in 1990-91 and 1992-93 to the second-lowest recorded rate, of 1.3, in 2006-07.

    Murder is the predominant charge and has been throughout the 18-year data-collection period. In 2006-07, there were 230 murder charges, 28 manslaughter charges, one infanticide charge, and one unknown. The type of charge against an offender may change once the incident proceeds through the judicial process.

    In 2006-07, there were 260 homicide instances, involving 266 victims and 296 offenders.

    Note: The majority of homicide data presented below is derived from two main sources with different data collection cycles. The charts and tables derived from the Institute's National Homicide Monitoring Program data set is collected on a financial year cycle. The other charts and tables are based on ABS data which is collected on a calendar year cycle.


    Homicide victims from 1993 to 2007 (number per year)



    • The number of murder victims fluctuated slightly from 1993 to 2007, whereas manslaughter remained relatively stable.
    • The number of murder victims peaked in 1999, at 344; the number of manslaughter victims peaked in 2002, at 48.
    • The 253 murder and 29 manslaughter victims recorded in 2007 were the lowest annual number yet recorded.
    Homicide incidents in Australia, 1989-90 to 2006-07 (number)




    Homicides involving firearms as a percentage of total homicides, 1915-2003





    Once again, it is patently clear that gun regulation DOES NOT MATTER and that GUN REGULATION WILL MEAN MORE NOT LESS deaths.

    The antis cannot argue the FACTS! They should give it up. What do ya expect from sheeple...

    Though I am kinda worried about the gun homicides as a percentage of total homicides. Wait! I know. The data and stats are WRONG! That's it. Bad data...what the heck else could it be?

    Thank God someone found that link...

    "More money for us."
    I'm not sure what your trying to say. The informationyou posted suggests the number of both homicide incidents and homicide victims was lower in 2007 than in 1996.

    If you look further, you would find that the number of assaults has increased:

    http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/violence/stats/assault/

    as well as the number of sexual assaults has increased:

    http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/violenc...assault/stats/

    Since assaults happenabout 170 timesmore often than homicides:

    http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/violence/stats/

    and assaults increased by 1.35, is it safe to conclude that total violent crime has increased since 1996?

    So, what is your agenda?







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