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    I was in Virginia Beach yesterday evening and I decided to eat at a place called Zero's on the main strip near the marriot by the beach.

    I walk in and order a small pizza and sit at the bar counter while I'm waiting to be called to pick up my order.

    5 minutes goes by and I notice the manager and owner doing the open carry dance. This dance is when they walk by you a bunch of times to be sure it's a pistol while mustering up the will to confront you... I'm sure many of you know what I'm talking about

    After the open carry dance was done, the manager approaches my non-gun side and leans into me and whispers "can I talk to you in the corner bro". I say sure and I follow him to the pool table in the back. He says, 'I hope your licensed to carry that'.

    I replied that no license exists because Virginia is an open carry state. He then says that he knows that.Kind of begs the question why he would ask if he already knew.

    He said he had no problem with OC'ing but he said I could not sit at the bar. I said no problem, he gave me a pat on the shoulder and I moved to a table.

    It was a positive experience. The cook asked if I was a cop, I said no (the term is different for me plus if he asked correctly I probably would have said no anyway) and he said 'oh that's cool thats cool, you just protecting yourself, I've got one too'.

    I've been in Reston/Herndon for 3 months and I was here for 5 months last year. I've never had an OC issue in NOVA expect for the UNO's in reston last year. I've noticed that NOVA seems to be more open carry friendly than southern VA. I got no wierd looks OC'ing in Alexandria but in VA Beach I did receive a lot of wierd looks.



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    Jared wrote:
    ...in VA Beach I did receive a lot of wierd looks.
    Probably because Bubba Ron has already scared all of the sheeple haha

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    Jared wrote:
    He said he had no problem with OC'ing but he said I could not sit at the bar. I said no problem, he gave me a pat on the shoulder and I moved to a table.

    It was a positive experience.
    Maybe you can explain a little clearer to me how being forced to leave your first choice of seating was a "positive experience"?

    I somehow don't think that Rosa Parks felt it was a positive experience when she was "allowed" to stay on the bus, as long as she moved to the back...

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    It was positive in the sense of not being asked to not bring my gun next time as what happened last year at the UNO's in reston, which is why I never spent $$$ at that UNO's again.

    I guess it wasn't as positive as it could have been, he simply could have ignored the pistol and/or not have done the open carry dance.



    Maybe people in VA Beach could go eat there while OC'ing if they want and they could fill the bar area up , but keep in mind, it was the worst pizza I ever had.

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    Jared wrote:
    I was in Virginia Beach yesterday evening and I decided to eat at a place called Zero's on the main strip near the marriot by the beach.

    I walk in and order a small pizza and sit at the bar counter while I'm waiting to be called to pick up my order.

    5 minutes goes by and I notice the manager and owner doing the open carry dance. This dance is when they walk by you a bunch of times to be sure it's a pistol while mustering up the will to confront you... I'm sure many of you know what I'm talking about

    After the open carry dance was done, the manager approaches my non-gun side and leans into me and whispers "can I talk to you in the corner bro". I say sure and I follow him to the pool table in the back. He says, 'I hope your licensed to carry that'.

    I replied that no license exists because Virginia is an open carry state. He then says that he knows that.Kind of begs the question why he would ask if he already knew.

    He said he had no problem with OC'ing but he said I could not sit at the bar. I said no problem, he gave me a pat on the shoulder and I moved to a table.

    It was a positive experience. The cook asked if I was a cop, I said no (the term is different for me plus if he asked correctly I probably would have said no anyway) and he said 'oh that's cool thats cool, you just protecting yourself, I've got one too'.

    I've been in Reston/Herndon for 3 months and I was here for 5 months last year. I've never had an OC issue in NOVA expect for the UNO's in reston last year. I've noticed that NOVA seems to be more open carry friendly than southern VA. I got no wierd looks OC'ing in Alexandria but in VA Beach I did receive a lot of wierd looks.

    Wonder how many of those people were out-of-stater tourists?

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    Jared wrote:
    It was positive in the sense of not being asked to not bring my gun next time as what happened last year at the UNO's in reston, which is why I never spent $$$ at that UNO's again.

    I guess it wasn't as positive as it could have been, he simply could have ignored the pistol and/or not have done the open carry dance.

    Maybe people in VA Beach could go eat there or something if they want and they could fill the bar area up , but keep in mind, it was the worst pizza I ever had.
    I was just thinking that your definition of "positive" and my definition of "positive" must not be the same...

    To me, a positive encounter would be for the owner to see you carrying, and sit down and thank you for having the courage to do so, give you a free side of bread sticks, and by the way what are you carrying today, see here how it compares to my [whatever he happened to be carrying that day...]



    I'd classify your encounter as "probably not bad enough to post them on the "unfriendly list", but didn't really make me feel good either..." Like I said earlier... Rosa Parks sitting in the back of the bus...

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    SouthernBoy wrote:
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    but in VA Beach I did receive a lot of wierd looks.

    Wonder how many of those people were out-of-stater tourists?
    Most of the time when Midget and I get weird looks, they are usually from the New Jersey/New York area. I have heard other northeastern state accents, but the NJ/NY accents are unmistakeable. Massholia and Comminecticut have identifiable accents and their people are equally suprised to see us OCing in Virginia. I got some funny looks today in Yorktown from some Out-O' Staters.
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    I would have inquired why he thinks you can't sit at the bar? Does he think the law so requires, or does he simply prefer it that you don't sit there? The restaurants I go to I often sit at the bar when OC'ing with no problems. He may simply need an education.

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    Va Beach is the tourist spot so your going to get allot of :what::shock:. I get it all the time while fishing at Rudee inlet. Very few ever say anything loud enough to hear or to me at all. I did this past weekend have a guy ask whyI carried a BB gun in a holster . I said it was a S&W .40 and it was for personal protection. Said nothing more about it. He was from Indiana from whatI heard him tell someone else. I did notice a Guy from what I predict was Japan or maybe China (Asian never the less) snap a couple pics of my OCing. Guess I'm a better pic than the ocean or sunset .

    I must sayI don't have to contend for a good fishing spot while OCing either:celebrate.



    I would have returned to the bar seat and waited for my pizza. Even if he feared for customer reactions. Your a customer as well so what if your have a lethal tool on your belt.
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    Which UNOs in Va Beach is this? I think I need to come down there for lunch one of these days. I will sit at the bar. I wonder how long it will take them to notice my H&K USP 45 in a black Bianchi AccuMold holster?

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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
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    Jared wrote:
    but in VA Beach I did receive a lot of wierd looks.

    Wonder how many of those people were out-of-stater tourists?
    Most of the time when Midget and I get weird looks, they are usually from the New Jersey/New York area. I have heard other northeastern state accents, but the NJ/NY accents are unmistakeable. Massholia and Comminecticut have identifiable accents and their people are equally suprised to see us OCing in Virginia. I got some funny looks today in Yorktown from some Out-O' Staters.
    I could be interesting to be the proverbial fly on the wall when they get together and talk about "armed Virginians". It is so foreign to them aside from the fact that their whole mindset is different from ours (Northeastern vs Southern). It's good when we get the opportunity to engage them in constructive conversation about rights they have, over a number of years, been willing to let go.

    I helped a family this past Saturday at McDonalds with information about sights to see in Virginia. They were from northern California. I don't recall any :what:when I stood up to leave. They were most thankful.


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    in VA Beach I did receive a lot of wierd looks.
    you're sure it's the gun?

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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    Most of the time when Midget and I get weird looks, they are usually from the New Jersey/New York area.
    Bingo. Unmistakable. It is still amazing to me how many Yankees come down here to recreate and I've lived here my entire life.

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    Zing.
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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    Which UNOs in Va Beach is this? I think I need to come down there for lunch one of these days. I will sit at the bar. I wonder how long it will take them to notice my H&K USP 45 in a black Bianchi AccuMold holster?

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    Like I said in my post. The place in VA Beach was Zero's near 25th street.

    The UNO's restaurant was in January of 2008 in Reston.

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    Well, if you want a GOOD pizza and an OC friendly atmosphere, take the little drive to Norfolk and go to Sal's Famous New York Pizza.

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    We had pretty good pizza at the last OC dinner in VB a couple weeks ago. Can't remember the name of the place, but we brought home leftovers and it was AWESOME the next morning, too!
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
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    batgeek wrote:
    Well, if you want a GOOD pizza and an OC friendly atmosphere, take the little drive to Norfolk and go to Sal's Famous New York Pizza.
    My vote goes to Mike's Pizza on Hampton Blvd just north of the terminals. Run by a Greek family... has the biggest damn meatballs on a pizza I ever did see.

    Will put Sal's on the "to do" list.
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    wylde007 wrote:
    batgeek wrote:
    Well, if you want a GOOD pizza and an OC friendly atmosphere, take the little drive to Norfolk and go to Sal's Famous New York Pizza.
    My vote goes to Mike's Pizza on Hampton Blvd just north of the terminals. Run by a Greek family... has the biggest damn meatballs on a pizza I ever did see.

    Will put Sal's on the "to do" list.
    You guys are really making me miss Reginos at Wards Corner. its been gone a while now. It used to be where the used bookstore is now on the NE corner. When I was on the Granby HS swim team in the late 70's we used to go to Miltons Pizza in the corner next to 15 Barbers.
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
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    Milton's was indeed some good stuff. There was one at Seashore Shops (West Great Neck & Shore Drive) that I went to as a boy. Now it's a Zero's Subs.

    Guadalajara used to be Corner Market used to be Clyde's used to be Hardees used to be Roy Rogers. Progress...
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    We can't forget about Mama's pizza place next to the Ocean View Amusement Park. It was almost under the end of the roller coaster.

    P.S. I have a copy of the movie ""Roller Coaster" that was filmed there and at Kings Dominion.
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
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    Just curious, since Zero's is a sub shop, was it really a "bar" in the classic sense of the word, or a "counter" as I have seen in other Zero's?

    I too am wondering why you could not sit there. Visible from the street?

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    It is a "bar" in the sense that they sell alcohol for on-site consumption. It is the generally accepted definition by the uneducated.

    For the same purposes, Qdoba at Hilltop is a "bar".
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    For good pizza, pasta, and more, try the pizza place on Newtown Road heading north (next door to a Subway on the left side of the road).

    For the life of me, I cannot remember the store's name but it's an Italian place, family owned. You don't walk out of there either. You roll.

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    Yeah, it's on the street corner. You order on one side then you walk around to the other end, there are tables and a bar top.

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    That is true. I tell them if that's a bar then when they buy their groceries at some of the wegmans here in NOVA... then they are shopping at a bar because they have an ABC license due to the wine samples.

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