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    http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/47878857.html

    Shooting of Officers Ignites Debate Over Open Carry
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    Gun advocates responded Thursday to Mayor Tom Barrett's emotional plea for tougher gun laws.

    Mayor Tom Barrett didn't pull any punches at a news conference at district two. He came down hard on the issue of getting guns off the streets.

    "If history is any indicator its going to be a gun that someone thought was great idea to give to an 18-year old and now those two officers are laying in Froedtert," stated Barrett during a press conference Wednesday.

    Mayor Barrett was emotional as he talked about the two Milwaukee police officers gunned down this week.

    "I don't care what special interests groups say. I want them to see what happens in the hospital room when you have police officers laying there because someone said it was okay to carry a gun in the middle of the city."

    This is at odds with the state's open carry law. Recently state Attorney General JB Van Hollen stated that it's not against the law to wear a gun on your hip.

    "He thinks attacking gun ownership is the way to deal with it and it's not."

    Gun advocate and former cop Jim Fendry disagrees with Mayor Barrett.

    "Day after day, there is a news story that a licensed gun owner was able to stop a crime or assist a police officer because he was armed."

    Either way- Barrett worries more officers will be shot if guns aren't taken off the streets.

    "It has to change and it has to change now."

    Fendry believes there's a bigger issue here. He wants more cops on the streets as well.

    The Mayor wants the Governor to call a special session of the legislature to toughen the state's gun laws.

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    I would like to hear him publicly apologize to all the open carry citizens in this state. His generalized comments are ridiculous and shows how little he cares what the law is. He has his own agenda and if it weren't for the state laws he would carry out his socialistic views with impunity.



    Once they find out where the gun came from (I believe they will find out it was stolen) and wasn't "given" to him Barrett should be on tv apologizing to the entire city.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    The guy wasn't OCing. He is what we call a CRIMINAL. So what's the debate over? What a crock...

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    The Mayor wants the Governor to call a special session of the legislature to toughen the state's gun laws.
    If hedoes, the only Democrats that will be elected in state level elections in2010 will beblue dogs like Russ Decker.
    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

    The Joyce Foundation funded firearm control empire:
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    "I don't care what special interests groups say.
    He must be afraid of Open Carry's growing political clout - over 1100 rabid members (many in Milwaukee) and growing. An opponent against him in the next election will be ablemake use of this.
    When in danger you can dial 911 and hope for the police to arrive a few minutes later armed with guns.
    Why do police carry guns?

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    I have already written my state reps and senators and informed them that I will not support and candidate or incumbent that does not support my 2nd Amendment rights without prejudice.

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    What a ******...
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    ixtow wrote:
    What a ******...
    I second that!
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    now don't get me wrong.....i feel for the two officers wounded ..........but it wasn't my fault or anybody elses reading this....................and then comes the old addage...............more tougher gun laws , GOOD GOD....HOW ABOUT LESS CRIMINALS ON THE STREET.AND BE TOUGHER ON THEM:?

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    What the heck does this mean coming from the past leader of the gun movement in Wisconsin? Have we come so far, so soon? Or is this the rotten foundation that is being built upon now?
    http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/47878857.html

    Gun advocate and former cop Jim Fendry disagrees with Mayor Barrett.

    "Day after day, there is a news story that a licensed gun owner was able to stop a crime or assist a police officer because he was armed."

    Fendry believes there's a bigger issue here. He wants more cops on the streets as well.
    Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth. NRA *******

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    And a Good Morning to you, too, on this fine spring day. Thanks for reading and commenting on our Wisconsin antics.

    It may be that the tide is turning in Wisconsin but we must be careful of our principals and of our principles.

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    Good Morning to you Mark.

    Just wanted to let you Louisiana folks know that my Southern Miss Golden Eagles are going to stomp all over ya'll LSU Tigers at the college world series next week. I know this has nothing to do with gun laws and open carry but I couldn't help myself.

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    What a simple jake-leg that Barrett is. He owes the people of his city, in fact all the decent gun owners in WI a major apology. His type of thinking lumps the dangerous criminal minority in with the large, law-abiding majority of gun owners, and his implication is that any type of "gun on the street" will increase crime. Doesn't this guy read? We've had MILLIONS more "guns on the streets" all over the US since CC was democratized in FL in 1987. Where have the problems been? Oh, that's right, we don't want this phenomenon of freedom to come to WI. "Let's nip that in the bud" sayeth he.

    You folks have an opportunity to teach a lot of your fellow citizens about gun rights now that he has put you in the spotlight. Let's hope come election time Barrett is given a message about the consequences of demonizing the good people.

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    Did this guy just say his police officers lives are more important then the citizen's..??

    I feel for the officers that were wounded, I hope they recover soon.

    But how does this mayor think taking a weapon away from law abiding citizens is going to stop the crime.

    Instead of having to go to the hospital to visit his officers... he should try going to the morgue and visit the law abiding citizens who have died because neitherhe or any of his police officers were able to protect them.

    Does he honestly think putting more police officers on the street is going to stop the crime.... you could put 5,000 more officer on his streets and it won't stop it and who's going to foot the bill for 5k more.

    He's not thinking logically.... nor is his Police Chief.

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    Ronnie Barrett should sue that guy for misuse of his name.

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    ...and ,if firearmsare bannedfrom Milwaukee , that's going topush the crime element into the suburbs , to look for their new guns!

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    "If history is any indicator its going to be a gun that someone thought was great idea to give to an 18-year old and now those two officers are laying in Froedtert," stated Barrett during a press conference Wednesday."
    No, Mayor, it's called a "Straw Purchase" and it's illegal.

    http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/47861122.html

    That investigation led to federal charges against the man who allegedly bought the gun Burton used. According to a federal complaint, Jacob D. Collins "knowingly made a false and fictitious statement" when he purchased a Taurus pistol at Badger Guns in West Milwaukee. He admitted to investigators that he bought the gun with the intention of selling it to Julius Burton, but filled out a form indicating that he was not "acquiring the firearm on behalf of another person."

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    cce1302 wrote:
    "If history is any indicator its going to be a gun that someone thought was great idea to give to an 18-year old and now those two officers are laying in Froedtert," stated Barrett during a press conference Wednesday."
    No, Mayor, it's called a "Straw Purchase" and it's illegal.

    http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/47861122.html

    That investigation led to federal charges against the man who allegedly bought the gun Burton used. According to a federal complaint, Jacob D. Collins "knowingly made a false and fictitious statement" when he purchased a Taurus pistol at Badger Guns in West Milwaukee. He admitted to investigators that he bought the gun with the intention of selling it to Julius Burton, but filled out a form indicating that he was not "acquiring the firearm on behalf of another person."
    And it all hangs in the balance of a confession.

    He could have said "I had no plans to sell it, but after a friend of mine and I had a conversation about the new gun I bought, he made me an offer I couldn't turn down."

    I'm not suggesting people tell this lie, just that he would likely be free if he had exercised his right to remain silent. There would be no proof that it was a straw purchase...

    In this circumstance, I'm partly glad he blabbed. But it serves a a lesson nonetheless. Don't talk to the cops. Anything you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you. Not a single word you ever speak can possibly help you when dealing with someone who's job it is to lock up anyone he can find an excuse to.
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    ixtow wrote:
    And it all hangs in the balance of a confession.

    He could have said "I had no plans to sell it, but after a friend of mine and I had a conversation about the new gun I bought, he made me an offer I couldn't turn down."

    I'm not suggesting people tell this lie, just that he would likely be free if he had exercised his right to remain silent. There would be no proof that it was a straw purchase...

    In this circumstance, I'm partly glad he blabbed. But it serves a a lesson nonetheless. Don't talk to the cops. Anything you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you. Not a single word you ever speak can possibly help you when dealing with someone who's job it is to lock up anyone he can find an excuse to.
    And here's the other problem. Why did he make that confession? I'll give you two possible reasons.

    1. He's an idiot.

    2. They offered him a deal

    I bet it's number 2! And number 2 is the reason for a lot of this trouble in the first place. They'll probably let him off easy with some sort of deal and he'll be out in a couple of years just like all of the other fricken criminals. Keep them in jail and we wouldn't have this problem.

    If it's number 1, then well, he probably would get in trouble anyway, so all the more reason to confess for a shorter prison term. They could have checked his record or gave him a piss test to find THC in his system. Then he lied on a federal form and would go to the big house anyway.

    This was posted in another thread and is a good listen. It's a podcast from a local milwaukee area radio show.

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    He's got the right idea aside from disliking open carry and favoring concealed carry.
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    It's a sad day for this country when believing in our constitutional rights is a "special interest group" instead of the catagory of "everybody".

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    Did I read it somewhere that the shooter was 18?

    If so, how come nobody is screaming about him being under 21 and in posession of a handgun?

    Or am I way off base here?

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    Stoney-Point wrote:
    If so, how come nobody is screaming about him being under 21 and in posession of a handgun?
    Like most states, in Wisconsin, folks can own and open carry handguns at age 18.

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    But it serves a a lesson nonetheless. Don't talk to the cops. Anything you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you. Not a single word you ever speak can possibly help you when dealing with someone who's job it is to lock up anyone he can find an excuse to.
    Good video on that subject



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    I'm absolutely blinded by rage!!!!!! Time to hit the punching bag.

    People think they are going to take it upon themselves to nullify the constitution.....


    EDIT: In case you're wondering, I haven't actually lost my vision.

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    What I don't understand is how this 21 year old was able to buy a 40 cal. handgun and ammo at Badger Guns for just $40. Or did he take a big loss selling it to the 18 year old shooter? $40 for a gun and ammo from a gun store seems way to low.

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