Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 27

Thread: My first OC experience was just what I wanted...

  1. #1
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Roanoke, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    30

    Post imported post

    Uneventful.

    Yes, that was my goal and it came to fruition flawlessly. Tonight I went into Chick-Fil-A with my good friend and as calmly and nonchalantly as I could ordered a number one with no pickel. I stood as I always stand, one knee slightly bent and otherwise made it clear to everyone else that nothing was ary here, just a man with a gun. Nothing more.

    I got my drink and waited for the meal to come, nearly had my gun bumped into by a man next to me, but I moved to my left quickly so he wouldn't brush my gun with his side. After several quick glances and some lengthy stares that I could spot from my peripheral vision, I sat down and began my meal with my friend. It was nothing special, and that was good.

    Over the course of my stay I saw three different police officers frequent the restaurant. None of them saw my handgun because I was sitting, but once I got up to throw away my trash and get a refill on sweet tea (yummy :] ) they all spotted it. I looked them all in the eye and smiled, and they just gave me a slight nod in confirmation that I was doing no wrong.

    All in all, it was a very liberating and positive experience. I felt very much like a decent citizen and it was surprising to me how freeing it felt - I didn't feel like a criminal who was dodgy and looking out for the black and white, I felt like an ordinary guy minding his business and exercising his rights as an citizen of the United States. It was incredible!

    Of course most of you here are already familiar with this feeling, and my story was likely drab and ordinary to you veterans of OC, however, I could not resist sharing my first OC experience and encouraging anyone else out there that might be thinking about OC'ing to just get out there and go for it!

    Thanks for your time and thank you to everyone who previously offered advice in my first post about OC jitters - your wisdom was very helpful in giving me the courage to try out this very rewarding experience.

    Stay safe!

  2. #2
    Regular Member sudden valley gunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Whatcom County
    Posts
    17,338

    Post imported post

    Good carry....and we never tire , well I don't , of having people share their first experience. Keep up the good work.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

  3. #3
    Regular Member TFred's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Most historic town in, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    7,705

    Post imported post

    My only comment would be "what? dude, the pickle is what makes the sandwich!"



    TFred


  4. #4
    Regular Member richarcm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Richmond, VA
    Posts
    1,182

    Post imported post

    It is a very liberating experience. Although you can still get some heat from the police and from people, generally the experience is uneventful. I think that is the most surprising part at first. I haven't been OC'ing REAL long...almost a year. But I OC every chance that I can (whenever not at work, gym or sleeping) and I've yet to have a truly negative experience. The most negative experiences are from hearing my friends talk about how stupid and paranoid that I am...LOL. But I've even broken in my family. I walk around my mom's house and my dad's house OC'ing and they are used to it now.

    Keep up the good work. Keep progressing to more and more challenging places. And also always be aware of your surroundings and stay confident and prepared to answer questions. You will get a few curious people who don't understand who you are or what you are doing. Think of a good response now to "Are you a cop?", "Why do you need to carry a gun?" and "Do you have a permit?"...those are most common.

    Good Luck!!
    Chris

  5. #5
    Campaign Veteran skidmark's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    North Chesterfield VA
    Posts
    10,682

    Post imported post

    Happy first OC! All your experiences should go as well, but unfortunately they may not.

    Read, learn the law, figure out from other posts of encounters with those who do not agree with OC what are the good and bad ways of responding to those encounters. Use the good, avoid the bad. Invest in a voice recorder and keep it on you and accessable - in a pocket next to your holster is NOT a good place for it. It's like your wallet and handgun - part of your everyday carry.

    stay safe.

    skidmark

    PS - Connect with other OCers in the Roanoke valley. Think about hosting an OC dinner.

    * edited to add PS
    "He'll regret it to his dying day....if ever he lives that long."----The Quiet Man

    Because stupidity isn't a race, and everybody can win.

    "No matter how much contempt you have for the media in all this, you don't have enough"
    ----Allahpundit

  6. #6
    Moderator / Administrator Grapeshot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    North Chesterfield, Va.
    Posts
    34,604

    Post imported post

    Excellent - "Liberating" is the word most often heard to describe first OC.

    Take Skidmark' remarks to heart re digital recorder - good advice and dinners are great sharing experiences.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

  7. #7
    Campaign Veteran Dutch Uncle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Posts
    1,715

    Post imported post

    I especially enjoy the stories of first timers. Yours is very typical, but you are more articulate than most about how the experience felt and what it meant to you. Being free to exercise a right is usually quite uplifiting. We live in a great country and a great state. Those of you who have traveled to other countries, or even other states know what I'm talking about.

    Please do three things: 1) Join VCDL, if you haven't already. 2) Keep OC'ing regularly, learning always to be safe and civil. 3) Spread the word, so others might get the courage to do the same!

  8. #8
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    , Virginia, USA
    Posts
    71

    Post imported post

    Uplifting is right! I'm about two weeks into carrying and it's a pretty good feeling so far. Having to try to explain things to my friends and especially my parents has been hard, though. I am very close to my family and they have a slightly different stance on the purpose of firearms. Otherwise it wouldn't be a problem. Don't worry, they are NO gun control advocates, I'll have you know.

    I've been to Asia a few times and it's surprising to me the level of insecurity among the citizens in the countries I've been to, not to mention fear of the government. You never really appreciate what you have until you witness what it's like without it.

    ~Ultimo Ratio Regum

  9. #9
    Regular Member Neplusultra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Christiansburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,228

    Post imported post

    Regum wrote:
    I've been to Asia a few times and it's surprising to me the level of insecurity among the citizens in the countries I've been to, not to mention fear of the government. You never really appreciate what you have until you witness what it's like without it.

    ~Ultimo Ratio Regum
    Really? If you would please expand on this a little, I'd like to hear it. I've known quite a few foreigners in my time and they are mostly quite shocked to see my puny arsenal and that I carry and publicly publish photos of me doing so.... I took some Iranian friends to the shooting range one time and my friend's wife said everyone would kill each other if they allowed this in their country....

  10. #10
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    , Virginia, USA
    Posts
    71

    Post imported post

    I have a few friends from China and Singapore, mainly. In China, even most Law Enforcement do not carry firearms. In Tienanmen Square, Beijing, China, even patrolling military will only carry batons! Needless to say, only the military and LE posses firearms there to my knowledge and certainly the general populous know it's unwise to resist their authority unless they have the support of thousands of others. It's a simple case of those without guns and those with guns. This is likely to begin to change though, since more freedoms (mainly free speech) are becoming a well known ideal and a right sought after by the people there. But yes, the ability to petition your concerns about inalienable rights, and such, to the government is simply not a reality there. To them, a normal citizen in possession of a firearm is a BIG deal; it simply does not happen.

    Singapore is a slightly different story, since all the men are called into National Service (a two-year compulsory military stint) after high school. Almost all of them get weapons training so firearms simply do not faze them. But guns are not allowed outside of service and certainly no one in the country is allowed to posses a firearm as a civilian. So, the same apprehension generally arises when they hear of civilians with guns. My buddies always talk big about their weapons training, but if they see me carrying or I tell them about common knowledge gun laws in VA, there's no more big talk. While the government is not as repressive or unreachable as the Chinese Government, an open system of government like the one we enjoy here simply does not exist there.

    While firearms are a well known part of our lifestyle here in the U.S.A and in VA, it is unheard of in their countries and it is mainly a testament to a real lack of individual freedoms in these places.

    I'm not an expert, but these things were very clear to me during my time abroad and the experiences I've had here in the States.

    I count my blessings here, honestly, we have a lot to be thankful for and we have a lot to defend.

    ~Ultima Ratio Regum

  11. #11
    Regular Member MSC 45ACP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,845

    Post imported post

    I guess China is too busy exporting their rifles to the USA. I remember buying a CHICOM (Norinco) SKS with a bayonette attached)for $79 about 16 years ago. Those were the days! Sometimes I regret giving it to my little brother as a present, but I'm glad to own an AK-47 now... Much easier to load and holds more rounds. You never know when you're gonna have a really bad day and you don't have quite enough ammo pistol magazines for the problem at hand. I only have 3 12-rnd mags for the USP 45.
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
    (unknown 'gun~writer')

    Remington 1911 R1 (Back to Basics)
    SERPA retention or concealed...

    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
    (Borrowed from "The Perfect Day" by LTC Dave Grossman)

  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    , Virginia, USA
    Posts
    71

    Post imported post

    Friend of mine has an SKS, he really likes it. I haven't gotten into rifles yet but there may be a day...hopefully not too late, haha.

    ~Ultima Ratio Regum

  13. #13
    Regular Member wylde007's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Va Beach, Occupied VA
    Posts
    3,037

    Post imported post

    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    Sometimes I regret giving it to my little brother as a present, but I'm glad to own an AK-47 now...
    :shock:

    Or do you have an AKM or WASR variant? The AK-47 is a select-fire weapon.
    The quiet war has begun, with silent weapons
    And the newest slavery is to keep the people poor, and stupid
    Novos ordo seclorum ~ Mustaine

    Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

  14. #14
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Forest, VA USA, ,
    Posts
    77

    Post imported post

    TFred wrote:
    My only comment would be "what? dude, the pickle is what makes the sandwich!"



    TFred




    That was my first thought as well

  15. #15
    Regular Member MSC 45ACP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,845

    Post imported post

    wylde007 wrote:
    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    Sometimes I regret giving it to my little brother as a present, but I'm glad to own an AK-47 now...
    :shock:

    Or do you have an AKM or WASR variant? The AK-47 is a select-fire weapon.
    To be specific, I have a WASR 10/63. In comparison to many other AK-type rifles I've inspected over the years, the fit is good, the wood furniture is about as rough as I've seen, but its a tack driver out to 300 yards. I wouldn't try much more than that as the 7.62x39 round isn't designed to be accurate at ranges beyond that. It was (is) a purpose-built battle rifle intended for close to medium range combat.
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
    (unknown 'gun~writer')

    Remington 1911 R1 (Back to Basics)
    SERPA retention or concealed...

    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
    (Borrowed from "The Perfect Day" by LTC Dave Grossman)

  16. #16
    Regular Member 45acpForMe's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Yorktown, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,803

    Post imported post

    I don't remember my first OC experience. I guess because it was a non-event.

    Most of my reluctance to OC is because of my daughters. My ex thinks I'm a nut and I don't really want my daughters agreeing. (gotta watch out for any custody issues) Usually when I OC with my daughters they don't even notice or say something when we get home like, "you were wearing that thing the whole time?". :-)

    I have a friend in New Zealand and she gets on me for "Americas Gun Culture". I guess it is a nice place to live but they restrict guns. I can understand other countries restricting guns (don't agree with it) but I don't understand how one nation under God lives with the 2nd ammendment and can have so many $%^&*(- gun laws and restrictions. To drive to my brothers I have to play hopscotch with my gun between the glove box, OC& the trunk.

    As far as rifles I would be more into them if I had a place to shoot. I hate driving 1-2 hours to a range. I have a 308 and wouldn't mind getting a 223 and AK47. I have always liked the lever action that the Rifleman had on TV as a kid too.

  17. #17
    Regular Member wylde007's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Va Beach, Occupied VA
    Posts
    3,037

    Post imported post

    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    It was (is) a purpose-built battle rifle intended for close to medium range combat.
    Keep it well-oiled. And I'll take 7.62 over 5.56 any day.
    The quiet war has begun, with silent weapons
    And the newest slavery is to keep the people poor, and stupid
    Novos ordo seclorum ~ Mustaine

    Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

  18. #18
    Regular Member MSC 45ACP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,845

    Post imported post

    wylde007 wrote:
    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    It was (is) a purpose-built battle rifle intended for close to medium range combat.
    Keep it well-oiled. And I'll take 7.62 over 5.56 any day.
    That is never a problem. Except for when I was in the desert; I'mfrom the old match-shooter school: There is enough lube on yourmatch pistolwhen it's dripping from your elbow. That is because my .45 was built so tight, it had to be lubed after every 10 round courseof fire. It was NOT a carry gun - ever. The upside to having a really tight .45 slide: It would print less than a 1" group (hold the "x" ring) at 50 yards.

    The AK (and its' variants) are the most widely used battle rifle in the world. There is a reason for that: Reliability and cost. In some parts of the world, you can trade 2 chickens for one. I wish I could have gotten mine for that much...
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
    (unknown 'gun~writer')

    Remington 1911 R1 (Back to Basics)
    SERPA retention or concealed...

    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
    (Borrowed from "The Perfect Day" by LTC Dave Grossman)

  19. #19
    Regular Member Neplusultra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Christiansburg, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,228

    Post imported post

    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    wylde007 wrote:
    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    It was (is) a purpose-built battle rifle intended for close to medium range combat.
    Keep it well-oiled. And I'll take 7.62 over 5.56 any day.
    That is never a problem. Except for when I was in the desert; I'mfrom the old match-shooter school: There is enough lube on yourmatch pistolwhen it's dripping from your elbow. That is because my .45 was built so tight, it had to be lubed after every 10 round courseof fire. It was NOT a carry gun - ever. The upside to having a really tight .45 slide: It would print less than a 1" group (hold the "x" ring) at 50 yards.

    The AK (and its' variants) are the most widely used battle rifle in the world. There is a reason for that: Reliability and cost. In some parts of the world, you can trade 2 chickens for one. I wish I could have gotten mine for that much...
    Have you ever seen that TV program where they visit a Pakistani gun maker out in the hinterlands? Using practically nothing more than a hammer, chisel, file and a coal fire they make almost any type of gun you can think of, except the M-16 :^). I'd like to get one of those guns.... I'm sure they have a few machine tools but none were shown in the program.

  20. #20
    Regular Member MSC 45ACP's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Newport News, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    2,845

    Post imported post

    Never saw that one. Sounds really awesome, though. I've known some gunsmiths that can literally build a gun from a hunk of metal. Those guys have forgotten more about guns than I'll ever know. God Bless them in their craft.
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
    (unknown 'gun~writer')

    Remington 1911 R1 (Back to Basics)
    SERPA retention or concealed...

    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
    (Borrowed from "The Perfect Day" by LTC Dave Grossman)

  21. #21
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    3

    Post imported post

    I would like to ask a question and I dont mean to be a smartass or anything. But do most people who OC not have a CC lic? I know there is a distinct diff in concealed carry and open carry as far as making a statement, or exercising your rights.

    I'm just curious if generally the oc'rs are non CC's permit holders?

    Respecfully

    Thanks..

  22. #22
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    US
    Posts
    3,156

    Post imported post

    FreeRiderInDC wrote:
    I would like to ask a question and I dont mean to be a smartass or anything. But do most people who OC not have a CC lic? I know there is a distinct diff in concealed carry and open carry as far as making a statement, or exercising your rights.

    I'm just curious if generally the oc'rs are non CC's permit holders?

    Respecfully

    Thanks..
    Most do have CHPs in Virginia (and other states for that matter). I myself don't have a CHP, I'm about 8 months too young in the eyes of the commonwealth, so in order to be armed, I MUST oc to stay legal. Some others do not have a CHP because they feel they shouldn't have to ask permission from the state before exercising a right, and I agree with that view. However I plan on getting my CHP next year anyways just for some other benefits besides concealed carry (exemption from 1 handgun a month law, carrying within 1000ft of a school, carrying concealed in national forests (and soon nat. parks next Feb), carrying in VA Gen.Assembly building for VCDL lobby day, etc.)

    Hope this answers your question, and I definately would say that OC lets the public know there are good guys who are armed, not just bad guys and police.

  23. #23
    Regular Member wylde007's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Va Beach, Occupied VA
    Posts
    3,037

    Post imported post

    I got a CHP initially out of an unnatural fear of being singled out or ostracized.

    Now, knowing what few other benefits it possesses, the only thing I can truly think of that I would keep it for is in case I am OC and accidentally CC... so I'm protected... and when I engineer sound in nightclubs that serve alcohol so I can CC as an "employee" or event sponsor and not have a sidearm flashing about while I'm scrambling all over the stage and rigging.

    I still am not sure where the GNL ASSY building comes into play. It's a public building. They cannot restrict you from carrying and the CHP doesn't grant you access, Commonwealth statute does. You can just as easily OC into the GEN ASSY building as far as I'm aware, they just had a separate entrance set up for CHP holders, is all.
    The quiet war has begun, with silent weapons
    And the newest slavery is to keep the people poor, and stupid
    Novos ordo seclorum ~ Mustaine

    Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

  24. #24
    Campaign Veteran Dutch Uncle's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Virginia, USA
    Posts
    1,715

    Post imported post

    wylde007 wrote:
    I still am not sure where the GNL ASSY building comes into play. It's a public building. They cannot restrict you from carrying and the CHP doesn't grant you access, Commonwealth statute does. You can just as easily OC into the GEN ASSY building as far as I'm aware, they just had a separate entrance set up for CHP holders, is all.
    What part of "We're the gummint, and we can make any damn rules we want, punk!" don't you understand? You'd almost think they have to abide by the same laws they pass on us , or something. Sheeesh!



  25. #25
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Charlottesville, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    286

    Post imported post

    Dutch Uncle wrote:
    wylde007 wrote:
    I still am not sure where the GNL ASSY building comes into play.* It's a public building.* They cannot restrict you from carrying and the CHP doesn't grant you access, Commonwealth statute does.* You can just as easily OC into the GEN ASSY building as far as I'm aware, they just had a separate entrance set up for CHP holders, is all.
    What part of "We're the gummint, and we can make any damn rules we want, punk!" don't you understand?* You'd almost think they have to abide by the same laws they pass on us , or something.* Sheeesh!

    ************************* ****************

    Exactly, Preemption prohibits localities from restricting guns past the state law. The state can make whatever laws it desires.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •