Veritas
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autosurgeon wrote:
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Thanks!
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Flying with a gun
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Veritas
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Michigander wrote:
Michigander wrote:
I don't know all the details, but I personally know a guy who was arrested at an airport for packing a gun. Again, I don't know details... but I do know that he was later released without any charges.
Veritas
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Thanks for the info, everyone. So what I'm gathering is this:
As soon as I cross the Illinois State border, put my pistol in it's case, remove the ammunition and store it (separately, just to be safe), and put the whole thing in the trunk. If stopped by an LEO, I will tell them I am only in Illinois for a brief period on my way to another State.
There's no need to field strip my weapon nor unload my magazines, correct? But I also cannot be in possession of extended mags, correct? Or does the Federal law preempt Illinois rule in this area?
Either way, just to be "safe", I'll just take extra standard mags instead of one or two extended mags. That's got to be one of the stupidest pieces of legislation, by the way. What can one 15 or 30-round magazine do that 10 10-round magazines cannot?
Thanks for the info, everyone. So what I'm gathering is this:
As soon as I cross the Illinois State border, put my pistol in it's case, remove the ammunition and store it (separately, just to be safe), and put the whole thing in the trunk. If stopped by an LEO, I will tell them I am only in Illinois for a brief period on my way to another State.
There's no need to field strip my weapon nor unload my magazines, correct? But I also cannot be in possession of extended mags, correct? Or does the Federal law preempt Illinois rule in this area?
Either way, just to be "safe", I'll just take extra standard mags instead of one or two extended mags. That's got to be one of the stupidest pieces of legislation, by the way. What can one 15 or 30-round magazine do that 10 10-round magazines cannot?
autosurgeon
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I don't think the mags make any diff whether they are 10 rd or more... remember you are traveling through under the umbrella of the federal transport law.
Also make sure you unload and secure while still in IN or some other state that recognizes your CPL..
I don't think the mags make any diff whether they are 10 rd or more... remember you are traveling through under the umbrella of the federal transport law.
Also make sure you unload and secure while still in IN or some other state that recognizes your CPL..
Veritas
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Thanks again for the advice.
Thanks again for the advice.
autosurgeon
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No problem! I spent around 6 hrs researching this before I went on a trip last year from MI to OK and of course went through IL.
No problem! I spent around 6 hrs researching this before I went on a trip last year from MI to OK and of course went through IL.
DrTodd
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The question about the mags, though, really needs to be answered. There are some localities in Illinois, and other states, which prohibit magazines that carry 10 or more rounds. The NJ state police, in reference to the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act, a law which allows police officers to carry concealed, states that they will enforce their magazine restrictions, even though the LEOSA seems to say that they can't. So, to be safe, I would take the 10 round magazines with me.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/NoHiCapChemSpray.pdf
When I flew into CA last fall to visit my brother, I OC'd in the LA area with my Glock 23. I brought 3 10-round magazines just to be safe. There it needs to be unloaded, and carried so that it is visible. Need to watch for the school zones, too, as CA defines them out to 1,000 feet. Even though the police in CA seem to have the prerogative to question anyone carrying a firearm, I did it for about 7 days and was never asked. I even OC'd on my brother's motorcycle, once stopping to watch a Police Officer move the local street people away from a shopping area in Hermosa Beach. I didn't have any problems at all. I just copied off the pamphlet that the California OC board has put together and carried as required.
The question about the mags, though, really needs to be answered. There are some localities in Illinois, and other states, which prohibit magazines that carry 10 or more rounds. The NJ state police, in reference to the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act, a law which allows police officers to carry concealed, states that they will enforce their magazine restrictions, even though the LEOSA seems to say that they can't. So, to be safe, I would take the 10 round magazines with me.
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/NoHiCapChemSpray.pdf
When I flew into CA last fall to visit my brother, I OC'd in the LA area with my Glock 23. I brought 3 10-round magazines just to be safe. There it needs to be unloaded, and carried so that it is visible. Need to watch for the school zones, too, as CA defines them out to 1,000 feet. Even though the police in CA seem to have the prerogative to question anyone carrying a firearm, I did it for about 7 days and was never asked. I even OC'd on my brother's motorcycle, once stopping to watch a Police Officer move the local street people away from a shopping area in Hermosa Beach. I didn't have any problems at all. I just copied off the pamphlet that the California OC board has put together and carried as required.
autosurgeon
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When you are carrying outside of a locked container the mag limits would be an issue however if you are traveling through a state that has limits to one that does not there is no need to use diff mags. HOWEVER if you intend to get the firearm out to use for SD in your motel you had better follow the mag rules.
So basicly the rule of thumb is if you are going through the state with no stops for the night or the gun will remain cased IE there is no way you would be using the firearm while in the state that has mag limites and it will be locked up at all times unloaded. Then you don't need different mags.
When you are carrying outside of a locked container the mag limits would be an issue however if you are traveling through a state that has limits to one that does not there is no need to use diff mags. HOWEVER if you intend to get the firearm out to use for SD in your motel you had better follow the mag rules.
So basicly the rule of thumb is if you are going through the state with no stops for the night or the gun will remain cased IE there is no way you would be using the firearm while in the state that has mag limites and it will be locked up at all times unloaded. Then you don't need different mags.
Venator
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Veritas wrote:
May work, but as was said you can not have a handgun in Chicago and some of the environs. You can, as you say, pass through the city to another destination. Chicago firearm laws can be found on line, they are very restrictive.
Even non Chicago LEOs can have a handgun in the city. Don't know how that plays with the recent LEO can carry anywhere federal law.
Veritas wrote:
May work, but as was said you can not have a handgun in Chicago and some of the environs. You can, as you say, pass through the city to another destination. Chicago firearm laws can be found on line, they are very restrictive.
Even non Chicago LEOs can have a handgun in the city. Don't know how that plays with the recent LEO can carry anywhere federal law.
DrTodd
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I think it is possible to have a handgun in the Chicago, if one looks at the possible exceptions in their city ordinance and uses it to an advantage, but it certainly is not easy. I am not saying that the Chicago PD would agree with my creative carry options, either.
I think it is possible to have a handgun in the Chicago, if one looks at the possible exceptions in their city ordinance and uses it to an advantage, but it certainly is not easy. I am not saying that the Chicago PD would agree with my creative carry options, either.
Veritas
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Well I'll keep it simple: They have to have cause to search my room in order to find it. I don't anticipate this happening.
Well I'll keep it simple: They have to have cause to search my room in order to find it. I don't anticipate this happening.
DrTodd
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Hard to find it in your room if you are carrying it.
Hard to find it in your room if you are carrying it.
Veritas
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I won't be carrying it where I'm going to be that weekend. Weapons aren't permitted. But I'd prefer not to travel without it... especially when driving through certain parts of Indiana. You ever have to stop for gas in Gary in the evening or early morning?
I won't be carrying it where I'm going to be that weekend. Weapons aren't permitted. But I'd prefer not to travel without it... especially when driving through certain parts of Indiana. You ever have to stop for gas in Gary in the evening or early morning?
FatboyCykes
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Veritas wrote:
Also good to see how diverse OCDO is nowadays.
Veritas wrote:
Not sure who this Gary chap is, but he sounds dangerous, glad you hear you're packing "protection"....
Also good to see how diverse OCDO is nowadays.
Venator
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Veritas wrote:
Veritas wrote:
If you are renting a hotel room the hotel staff can let them in. At least I think they can. You may want to check that out.
Veritas
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I'm not worried about it, to be honest. They'd need PC or RS to search my belongings. Fat chance of that happening. And if that slight possibility were to exist, I'd simply store it in my vehicle.
I'm not worried about it, to be honest. They'd need PC or RS to search my belongings. Fat chance of that happening. And if that slight possibility were to exist, I'd simply store it in my vehicle.
DrTodd
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Venator wrote:
For those who are planning to fly w/ firearms, I would check the http://www.handgunlaw.com site before I go. They have links to the major airlines at the top of the homepage.
I would also check out the following link for state and local firearm laws. Although I can't vouch for how current the information is, I usually use it as a starting point and click in the links provided on each state's page in which I will be traveling. It even has the local laws for those places where these might be an issue. http://www.lcav.org/content/state_local.asp
Here is a copy of a BATF letter that I carry with my tickets "just in case" there is a problem". I've never had to use it though.
http://www.vcdl.org/letters/TSA_letter.pdf
Venator wrote:
My thought exactly, Venator. I could just see a person cleaning the room and an "OMG, it's a gun!" reaction ensuing. I think that there are better ways to travel...
For those who are planning to fly w/ firearms, I would check the http://www.handgunlaw.com site before I go. They have links to the major airlines at the top of the homepage.
I would also check out the following link for state and local firearm laws. Although I can't vouch for how current the information is, I usually use it as a starting point and click in the links provided on each state's page in which I will be traveling. It even has the local laws for those places where these might be an issue. http://www.lcav.org/content/state_local.asp
Here is a copy of a BATF letter that I carry with my tickets "just in case" there is a problem". I've never had to use it though.
http://www.vcdl.org/letters/TSA_letter.pdf
DrTodd
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zigziggityzoo wrote:
Here is a letter that may help if you are so inclined to travel to NJ by plane. I can't say, though, that the layover would not be problematic.
http://www.anjrpc.org/DefendingYourRights/us%20letter.pdf
zigziggityzoo wrote:
Zig,
Here is a letter that may help if you are so inclined to travel to NJ by plane. I can't say, though, that the layover would not be problematic.
http://www.anjrpc.org/DefendingYourRights/us%20letter.pdf
Veritas
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DrTodd wrote:
DrTodd wrote:
Assuming I leave my weapon out for them to find. Which I wouldn't do. If I leave it in the room, it will be locked in the safe (the hotel provides one in the room). Like I said, if it becomes an issue, then I simply move the pistol to my vehicle and then it becomes a NON issue.
autosurgeon
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Veritas wrote:
Veritas wrote:
I use a pelican case to carry my gun when I am on trips. It actually was intended for small camera gear and it even says as much on the outside. I got it from Panasonic so it says panasonic and pelican on it. it has a shoulder strap and everything. I have the pelican locks for it and no one questions a camera case so it is an easy way to move in and out of a hotel room without someone seeing a PISTOL CASE:lol: