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Thread: Flint Public Library and CCW/ Open carry review

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    Regular Member LaVere's Avatar
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    The remains of Flint, Michigan, USA

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    I sent the Flint Public library a email about the no gun policies last Friday

    see below

    Dear Jo Anne Mondowney ,

    I notice the following in the Policies section.

    "Bans all weapons from Library premises, except for concealed weapons
    that are exempt from licensure under Michigan law or lawfully licensed
    and carried in compliance with Act 372 of 1927, as amended."

    While this policy exempts concealed weapons, it is still in conflict
    with Michigan law, as openly carrying a firearm in a holster is legal.
    A law abiding citizen who desires to carry a pistol would be
    discriminated against while wishing to use the services and facilities
    of the Flint Public Library
    Under the 1990 state preemption law (MCL 123.1102, outlined in brief below), this policy is unenforceable in regard to firearm possession and
    transport. Furthermore, the existence of this ordinance, being in
    conflict with the law of the State of Michigan, is misleading to the
    people of Flint and other citizens who may visit the Library.

    The Flint Public Library and its administrators could be held
    liable for civil rights violations if this policy is enforced.

    A federal civil rights lawsuit has been filed in a similar situation in
    Grand Haven, MI.

    Any law abiding citizen of the State of Michigan who owns a safety
    inspected handgun may openly carry (in a holster) said firearm in all
    places not explicitly exempt by law with or without a CPL. Infringing
    on this right is a clear violation of both state and federal law.

    Libraries have challenged this and lost, one case recently in Ferndale,
    MI. There is a similar matter being examined in Dearborn Heights, MI as

    Library patrons such as myself, who openly carry a pistol, have a clear
    legal right to do so on public property.

    I fear that if I am openly carrying a pistol in accordance with state
    law in the Flint Public Library, I will be harassed, detained or
    otherwise interfered with.

    As an Flint resident, I am requesting this policy be amended within
    90 days to comply with MCL 123.1102. Failure to amend this ordinance
    could be considered an act of malfeasance as it willfully misinforms the
    public of what is and is not allowed in the libraries of the Flint. I look forward to

    your resolution and response when this policy is amended.

    I would be most grateful to hear back from you on this matter.


    Gordon LaVere
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    The above letter was copied from this site and edited to reflect Flint.

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    Here is her reply:

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Jo Anne Mondowney
    To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Cc: Julie McCullough
    Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:25 AM
    Subject: Library Gun Regulations

    Dear Mr. LaVere,

    I received you email regarding carrying guns in the Flint Public Library and the matter will be brought before the Library Board for amendment at its July Meeting. Thank you.


    Jo Anne Mondowney

    Jo Anne G. Mondowney

    Director of Libraries

    Flint Public Library

    1026 E. Kearsley Street

    Flint, MI 48502

    (810) 249-2041

    Fax (810) 249-2633

    Very nice responce I'll stay on top of this and post it here.


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    Great! Thanks for taking this on. Good to hear they'll at least review the policy. Keep us updated if you hear anything else!

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