LaVere
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I sent the Flint Public library a email about the no gun policies last Friday
see below
Dear Jo Anne Mondowney ,
I notice the following in the Policies section.
"Bans all weapons from Library premises, except for concealed weapons
that are exempt from licensure under Michigan law or lawfully licensed
and carried in compliance with Act 372 of 1927, as amended."
While this policy exempts concealed weapons, it is still in conflict
with Michigan law, as openly carrying a firearm in a holster is legal.
A law abiding citizen who desires to carry a pistol would be
discriminated against while wishing to use the services and facilities
of the Flint Public Library Under the 1990 state preemption law (MCL 123.1102, outlined in brief below), this policy is unenforceable in regard to firearm possession and
transport. Furthermore, the existence of this ordinance, being in
conflict with the law of the State of Michigan, is misleading to the
people of Flint and other citizens who may visit the Library.
The Flint Public Library and its administrators could be held
liable for civil rights violations if this policy is enforced.
A federal civil rights lawsuit has been filed in a similar situation in
Grand Haven, MI.
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Any law abiding citizen of the State of Michigan who owns a safety
inspected handgun may openly carry (in a holster) said firearm in all
places not explicitly exempt by law with or without a CPL. Infringing
on this right is a clear violation of both state and federal law.
Libraries have challenged this and lost, one case recently in Ferndale,
MI. There is a similar matter being examined in Dearborn Heights, MI as
well.
Library patrons such as myself, who openly carry a pistol, have a clear
legal right to do so on public property.
I fear that if I am openly carrying a pistol in accordance with state
law in the Flint Public Library, I will be harassed, detained or
otherwise interfered with.
As an Flint resident, I am requesting this policy be amended within
90 days to comply with MCL 123.1102. Failure to amend this ordinance
could be considered an act of malfeasance as it willfully misinforms the
public of what is and is not allowed in the libraries of the Flint. I look forward to
your resolution and response when this policy is amended.
I would be most grateful to hear back from you on this matter.
Sincerely,
Gordon LaVere
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The above letter was copied from this site and edited to reflect Flint.
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Here is her reply:
----- Original Message -----
From: Jo Anne Mondowney
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Julie McCullough
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: Library Gun Regulations
Dear Mr. LaVere,
I received you email regarding carrying guns in the Flint Public Library and the matter will be brought before the Library Board for amendment at its July Meeting. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Jo Anne Mondowney
Jo Anne G. Mondowney
Director of Libraries
Flint Public Library
1026 E. Kearsley Street
Flint, MI 48502
(810) 249-2041
Fax (810) 249-2633
jmondowney@fpl.info
Very nice responce I'll stay on top of this and post it here.
Gordon
I step for man kind.
I sent the Flint Public library a email about the no gun policies last Friday
see below
Dear Jo Anne Mondowney ,
I notice the following in the Policies section.
"Bans all weapons from Library premises, except for concealed weapons
that are exempt from licensure under Michigan law or lawfully licensed
and carried in compliance with Act 372 of 1927, as amended."
While this policy exempts concealed weapons, it is still in conflict
with Michigan law, as openly carrying a firearm in a holster is legal.
A law abiding citizen who desires to carry a pistol would be
discriminated against while wishing to use the services and facilities
of the Flint Public Library Under the 1990 state preemption law (MCL 123.1102, outlined in brief below), this policy is unenforceable in regard to firearm possession and
transport. Furthermore, the existence of this ordinance, being in
conflict with the law of the State of Michigan, is misleading to the
people of Flint and other citizens who may visit the Library.
The Flint Public Library and its administrators could be held
liable for civil rights violations if this policy is enforced.
A federal civil rights lawsuit has been filed in a similar situation in
Grand Haven, MI.
]http://www.grandhaventribune.com/paid/307858790890277.bsp]http://www.grandhaventribune.com/paid/307858790890277.bsp[/url]
Any law abiding citizen of the State of Michigan who owns a safety
inspected handgun may openly carry (in a holster) said firearm in all
places not explicitly exempt by law with or without a CPL. Infringing
on this right is a clear violation of both state and federal law.
Libraries have challenged this and lost, one case recently in Ferndale,
MI. There is a similar matter being examined in Dearborn Heights, MI as
well.
Library patrons such as myself, who openly carry a pistol, have a clear
legal right to do so on public property.
I fear that if I am openly carrying a pistol in accordance with state
law in the Flint Public Library, I will be harassed, detained or
otherwise interfered with.
As an Flint resident, I am requesting this policy be amended within
90 days to comply with MCL 123.1102. Failure to amend this ordinance
could be considered an act of malfeasance as it willfully misinforms the
public of what is and is not allowed in the libraries of the Flint. I look forward to
your resolution and response when this policy is amended.
I would be most grateful to hear back from you on this matter.
Sincerely,
Gordon LaVere
****************************************************************************************************
The above letter was copied from this site and edited to reflect Flint.
*****************************************************************************************************
Here is her reply:
----- Original Message -----
From: Jo Anne Mondowney
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Julie McCullough
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: Library Gun Regulations
Dear Mr. LaVere,
I received you email regarding carrying guns in the Flint Public Library and the matter will be brought before the Library Board for amendment at its July Meeting. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Jo Anne Mondowney
Jo Anne G. Mondowney
Director of Libraries
Flint Public Library
1026 E. Kearsley Street
Flint, MI 48502
(810) 249-2041
Fax (810) 249-2633
jmondowney@fpl.info
Very nice responce I'll stay on top of this and post it here.
Gordon
I step for man kind.