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    Sorry if this is a double post, but I can't find where the original thread is...

    In summary..

    There is a project in Norfolk where folks can buy bricks..

    See: http://www.festeventsva.org/mini-sit...t-park-project

    A few of us paid for bricks with the message "GUNS Save Lives". I got a letter today from the Norfolk City attorney denying my (our) request. I scanned it tonight (but made it too fat) so I will scan it tomorrow and post it here tomorrow.

    I also sent a copy of the response to VCDL to see if they want to fight it.

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    I'm curious to see how this plays out. I hope the Guns Save Lives brick(s) are put up in the end.

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    What happened to the original thread? It appears to have been deleted entirely.

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    I thought maybe it got moved to hot topics or something else.. but I sure can't find it.
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    from the website (and remembered someone posted this from the original thread)

    Since 1982, the local private sector- from individuals to Fortune 500 corporations- have generously contributed more than $30 million to support the thousands of city celebrations and programs presented in Norfolk's Town Point Park. In this same spirit of public-private partnership, with leadership of Norfolk Festevents, Ltd., the community is now invited to participate in this first time ever fundraising effort to support the city's renovation of Town Point Park. Now 25 years old and never renovated, the park is showing its age in its infrastructure and design. Planned improvements to this city landmark will keep pace with surging attendance and today's environment, and provide an important investment in the quality of life of this region. Individuals, families, groups and companies can become part of this special Turning Point Project for the park by sponsoring a brick or marker, adopting a new park bench or tree, or marking your legacy to the Norfolk waterfront through major contributions recognized in bronze plaques along the new Waterside Walk, at the Park Entrances, or through limited naming rights for the new Band Shell and Performance Amphitheatre. The commemorative bricks and markers will be used to pave the walkways and plazas of the newly renovated and landscaped waterfront park; park benches and trees will line paths leading to new fountains and winding through newly designed green spaces and seating areas.
    Personalize these limited commemorative elements for yourself, your friends or family members. Or you can choose to honor colleagues, clients, an organization or a special individual. Years of special memories made at the park and along the downtown waterfront can now be captured and celebrated for generations to come. All contributions are tax deductible and will help fund construction of the park as well as provide financial support for future improvements and enhancements to the waterfront programs. The project cost is $11,500,000, to be underwritten by a combination of City of Norfolk and private sector funds. The project is scheduled to begin late October, 2008.Town Point Park will reopen on the weekend of July 4th, 2009 along with the annual Norfolk Harborfest celebration to be scheduled July 3-5. Your special commemoration will serve as a lasting tribute to family, friends and associates, and as a legacy of your participation and pride in our community!

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    Interesting. Did they refund your money?

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    curtiswr wrote:
    Interesting. Did they refund your money?
    Not yet. I don't know if I am quite finished with the "fight" yet.
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    Ok.. finally.. here is the letter and documentation I received from the City denying my request.


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    ed wrote:
    Ok.. finally.. here is the letter and documentation I received from the City denying my request.


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    Might help if you post it :P

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    Carry On.

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    Ed,

    Lookslike a CYAresponse to me. IANAL, but can you dispute the rejection on the grounds that it is a public place?

    Not that you want to go through the upload process again, but you may want to think about blacking out your address.

    Thanks for sharing. Oh, and my brother and I got the OC cards in the mail yesterday. Thanks for those, too.

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    FWIW, Ed routinely publishes his home address on teh Intarwebz. I suspect he (and Brooke, for that matter) are prepared in the unlikely event that any unpleasantness should come their way as a result.

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    TexasNative wrote:
    FWIW, Ed routinely publishes his home address on teh Intarwebz. I suspect he (and Brooke, for that matter) are prepared in the unlikely event that any unpleasantness should come their way as a result.
    We are..

    I used to block out my address but I am pretty active online and in the community and sending out OC cards, etc. So blocking it from YOU GUYS does not make sense when it is available to the rest of the world. :-)

    And TexasNative is exactly right :-) (and don't forget I just bought a brand new Super Shorty too)
    Carry On.

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    That's about 12 pages of BS in a 6 page note. What a crock.

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    So we need to craft a message that's in concert with their theme, then put OPENCARRY.ORG at the bottom.

    eta: "In Honor of Danbus"

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    NORFOLK ROCKS!!!

    Yeah, right. :quirky

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    ed wrote:
    TexasNative wrote:
    FWIW, Ed routinely publishes his home address on teh Intarwebz. I suspect he (and Brooke, for that matter) are prepared in the unlikely event that any unpleasantness should come their way as a result.
    We are..

    I used to block out my address but I am pretty active online and in the community and sending out OC cards, etc. So blocking it from YOU GUYS does not make sense when it is available to the rest of the world. :-)

    And TexasNative is exactly right :-) (and don't forget I just bought a brand new Super Shorty too)
    Have you shot any 3" mags out of it yet? How was it?

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    ed wrote:
    TexasNative wrote:
    FWIW, Ed routinely publishes his home address on teh Intarwebz. I suspect he (and Brooke, for that matter) are prepared in the unlikely event that any unpleasantness should come their way as a result.
    We are..

    I used to block out my address but I am pretty active online and in the community and sending out OC cards, etc. So blocking it from YOU GUYS does not make sense when it is available to the rest of the world. :-)

    And TexasNative is exactly right :-) (and don't forget I just bought a brand new Super Shorty too)
    Have you shot any 3" mags out of it yet? How was it?
    I said i BOUGHT it.. I did not HAVE it yet ;-).. It takes the AFT a looooooong time for the Class III tax stamp.
    Carry On.

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    ed wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    ed wrote:
    TexasNative wrote:
    FWIW, Ed routinely publishes his home address on teh Intarwebz. I suspect he (and Brooke, for that matter) are prepared in the unlikely event that any unpleasantness should come their way as a result.
    We are..

    I used to block out my address but I am pretty active online and in the community and sending out OC cards, etc. So blocking it from YOU GUYS does not make sense when it is available to the rest of the world. :-)

    And TexasNative is exactly right :-) (and don't forget I just bought a brand new Super Shorty too)
    Have you shot any 3" mags out of it yet? How was it?
    I said i BOUGHT it.. I did not HAVE it yet ;-).. It takes the AFT a looooooong time for the Class III tax stamp.
    I thought it was just a AOW, $5 thing that took no time...?

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    ed wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    ed wrote:
    TexasNative wrote:
    FWIW, Ed routinely publishes his home address on teh Intarwebz. I suspect he (and Brooke, for that matter) are prepared in the unlikely event that any unpleasantness should come their way as a result.
    We are..

    I used to block out my address but I am pretty active online and in the community and sending out OC cards, etc. So blocking it from YOU GUYS does not make sense when it is available to the rest of the world. :-)

    And TexasNative is exactly right :-) (and don't forget I just bought a brand new Super Shorty too)
    Have you shot any 3" mags out of it yet? How was it?
    I said i BOUGHT it.. I did not HAVE it yet ;-).. It takes the AFT a looooooong time for the Class III tax stamp.
    I thought it was just a AOW, $5 thing that took no time...?
    ditto???

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    CRF250rider1000 wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    ed wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    ed wrote:
    TexasNative wrote:
    FWIW, Ed routinely publishes his home address on teh Intarwebz. I suspect he (and Brooke, for that matter) are prepared in the unlikely event that any unpleasantness should come their way as a result.
    We are..

    I used to block out my address but I am pretty active online and in the community and sending out OC cards, etc. So blocking it from YOU GUYS does not make sense when it is available to the rest of the world. :-)

    And TexasNative is exactly right :-) (and don't forget I just bought a brand new Super Shorty too)
    Have you shot any 3" mags out of it yet? How was it?
    I said i BOUGHT it.. I did not HAVE it yet ;-).. It takes the AFT a looooooong time for the Class III tax stamp.
    I thought it was just a AOW, $5 thing that took no time...?
    ditto???
    Last time I checked, most things dealing with the BATF takes a looong time. They have no rush :?. That said, having shot 3" mags out of my M500 w/ full stock, I have no urge to shoot it with pistol grip only, much less in a gun cut down almost 2/3 smaller! :what: (Yes I know Serbu doesn't cut down shotguns, they make them from fresh receivers from Mossberg/Rem, otherwise they'd be SBS instead of AOW).

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    nova wrote:
    most things dealing with the BATF takes a looong time. They have no rush
    Correct. I hear 2-6 months. And once they cash my check.. they SEND the paperwork to WV for processing. AOW is a Class III the stamp is 5.00 instead of 200 but the process is the same.
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    RedKnightt wrote:
    What happened to the original thread? It appears to have been deleted entirely.
    You have to protect/insulate the thread to make sure it is not"off-topic."

    Let me fix it for you - Guns Save Lives when open carried - activists denied 1st Amendment expression of 2nd Amend in city owned park !

    Group spokesperson says message is political - where in the rules is that restricted?
    Personally, I think it is celebratory.
    Maybe he means not in accordance with his version = censorship.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    RedKnightt wrote:
    What happened to the original thread? It appears to have been deleted entirely.
    You have to protect/insulate the thread to make sure it is not"off-topic."

    Let me fix it for you - Guns Save Lives when open carried - activists denied 1st Amendment expression of 2nd Amend in city owned park !

    Group spokesperson says message is political - where in the rules is that restricted?
    Personally, I think it is celebratory.
    Maybe he means not in accordance with his version = censorship.

    Yata hey
    You've successfully lost me. Are you saying John/Mike deleted the thread because it was not specifically about OC?

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    RedKnightt wrote:
    You've successfully lost me. Are you saying John/Mike deleted the thread because it was not specifically about OC?
    I think they celebrate the GUNS Save Lives message just as VCDL. It coulda just been a hiccup of the server.. That happened on a message baord I run too and people thought I removed it when in reality I had no idea.

    My guess that the subject is ok is that this thread has survived! LOL.

    back to topic.. do we have any recourse to make them accept our message or sue them for other messages that we find do no priase norfolk, etc.

    I wonder if "OPENCARRY.ORG" would be approved?
    Carry On.

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