5jeffro7
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Before I begin my latest tale of OC, I would like to leave you with a few tidbits that I have learned since I began viewing (and later joined) this site.
1) Read & study, read & study...be able to reasonable & articulately cite the laws regarding OC & state preemption if needed
2) carry plenty of pamphlets (I carry about 5 each of the A) State & federal laws, B) Training bulletin synopses & C) OC pamphlet)
3) if approached by authoritys, REMAIN CALM, polite & respectful, yet convey your point(s) distinctly
4) the only way to get used to OC is to just do it...it gets easier with each "session"
And now the tale you've all been waiting for..without further adieu...
For the past week and a half, I've begun OC'ing at Martha Lake County Park in Lynnwood. I've been on the fishing dock at least 3 or 4 times that one of the park rangers (tom) has check the garbage or fishing licenses.
Last night, Tom asked if he could talk to me (figures, the only time I forget all my pamphlets at home :banghead. we had the typical conversation about how I had to take my gun to my car & telling him I didn't, that I was fully within my rights. Him telling me that the County had an ordinance prohibiting weapons in parks, me telling him that that ordinance was repealed due to state preemption & that the ordinance, for all intents and purposes was non-existant. I spoke of my call to the "duty officer" at the Sheriff's office & his statement to "don't worry about it, the Council (Snohomish county) likes to enact ordinances that we either can't or won't enforce". He stated he didn't want things to get ugly, I mirrored the feeling & told him that I would return today with the proper citations to put his mind at ease.
Tonight, when Tom arrived at the park, before I could get the papers out of my car, he approached me and.....
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.
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....apologized for being incorrect & stated that he'd done a lot of checking & he found out that I was right & that the County ordinance had been repealed "a couple years ago". I still left him the paperwork (citations of state & federal law as well as the State & federal law pamphlet & print-outs of every single training bulletin available to me thus far from NWCDL.
Tom was going to forward all the paperwork to his supervisor & request that a Memo go out to all parks personel stating that OC is legal (even though he worries that moms with kids will freak out, he understansds the right). If such a memo ever goes out, he has promised me a copy :exclaim:
Tom said that one of the reasons that he hadn't "pushed" things last night is that I seemed to know what I was talking about :celebrate, and he wanted to make sure he was right before taking any action (he also mentiond that he didn't think that taking action & THEN finding out he was wrong was the smart way to retain his job.
what could have been ugly (last night), turned into a positive experience
Before I begin my latest tale of OC, I would like to leave you with a few tidbits that I have learned since I began viewing (and later joined) this site.
1) Read & study, read & study...be able to reasonable & articulately cite the laws regarding OC & state preemption if needed
2) carry plenty of pamphlets (I carry about 5 each of the A) State & federal laws, B) Training bulletin synopses & C) OC pamphlet)
3) if approached by authoritys, REMAIN CALM, polite & respectful, yet convey your point(s) distinctly
4) the only way to get used to OC is to just do it...it gets easier with each "session"
And now the tale you've all been waiting for..without further adieu...
For the past week and a half, I've begun OC'ing at Martha Lake County Park in Lynnwood. I've been on the fishing dock at least 3 or 4 times that one of the park rangers (tom) has check the garbage or fishing licenses.
Last night, Tom asked if he could talk to me (figures, the only time I forget all my pamphlets at home :banghead. we had the typical conversation about how I had to take my gun to my car & telling him I didn't, that I was fully within my rights. Him telling me that the County had an ordinance prohibiting weapons in parks, me telling him that that ordinance was repealed due to state preemption & that the ordinance, for all intents and purposes was non-existant. I spoke of my call to the "duty officer" at the Sheriff's office & his statement to "don't worry about it, the Council (Snohomish county) likes to enact ordinances that we either can't or won't enforce". He stated he didn't want things to get ugly, I mirrored the feeling & told him that I would return today with the proper citations to put his mind at ease.
Tonight, when Tom arrived at the park, before I could get the papers out of my car, he approached me and.....
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
....apologized for being incorrect & stated that he'd done a lot of checking & he found out that I was right & that the County ordinance had been repealed "a couple years ago". I still left him the paperwork (citations of state & federal law as well as the State & federal law pamphlet & print-outs of every single training bulletin available to me thus far from NWCDL.
Tom was going to forward all the paperwork to his supervisor & request that a Memo go out to all parks personel stating that OC is legal (even though he worries that moms with kids will freak out, he understansds the right). If such a memo ever goes out, he has promised me a copy :exclaim:
Tom said that one of the reasons that he hadn't "pushed" things last night is that I seemed to know what I was talking about :celebrate, and he wanted to make sure he was right before taking any action (he also mentiond that he didn't think that taking action & THEN finding out he was wrong was the smart way to retain his job.
what could have been ugly (last night), turned into a positive experience