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    I OC'd at a graduation party on Saturday, it was friends of ours daughter. I showed up late and boy did people notice, no one said anything though. After I left a few people went up to my wife asking "is that your husband? why does he carry a gun? you know people could hit him in the head and take it", typical sheep-speak. She told me that she explainedOC and that I was the safest one there. From what I was told she did quite the job of explaining, showed them the light.

    I read this today and found it interesting that is the term Sheep-Speak. Maybe we could start a list of them and then compile them in one post.

    1. why does he carry a gun? you know people could hit him in the head and take it",

    The use of force is a last resort. One aspect of violence is that it is unpredictable. Although your initial intention may be to use limited force, once you have engaged in violence the consequences are unpredictable. Violence always brings about unexpected results and almost always provokes retaliation.

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    2. Don't you know that it makes you a target??? You had better watch your back when you go home and see who is following you!!!

    that one makes me laugh The bg had better watch his front if he is following an armed person to there home too attack them:what: Lest his front get several extra holes!!
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    "Only police should carry guns, they have training, regular people cant shoot like police can"

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    I like this. We should have a stickied list of these common arguments from the antis with our own counter arguments. I believe that it would be beneficial in helping people understand our way of thinking.
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    "..if you are in a bank open carrying and a bad guy sees you, you will be the first one shot...."

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    You will Scare the CHILDREN !!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG think of the CHIDREN:what:

    You could shoot someone !

    Why do you need a gun ?

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    maahes wrote:
    "Only police should carry guns, they have training, regular people cant shoot like police can"
    Haha that's a good one..

    "No he buys his own ammunition so he hits what he shoots at not spray and pray like the police - he hates waste"

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    1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.

    2. Washington DC’s low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict
    gun control, and Indianapolis’ high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is
    due to the lack of gun control.

    3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but
    statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are “just

    4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into
    effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime
    rates, which have been declining since 1991.

    5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a
    shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear
    of such a lunatic is paranoid.

    6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

    7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if
    shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

    8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a
    smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.

    9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should “put up no defense
    - give them what they want, or run” (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman
    Pete Shields, Guns Don’t Die - People Do, 1981, p. 125).

    10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice
    about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on
    heart surgery.

    11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a
    civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a
    computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for
    firearms expertise.

    12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard,
    which was created 130 years later, in 1917.

    13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land,
    using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms,
    punishing trespassers under federal law, is a “state” militia.

    14. These phrases: “right of the people peaceably to assemble,” “right
    of the people to be secure in their homes,” “enumerations herein of
    certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by
    the people,” and “The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the
    states respectively, and to the people” all refer to individuals, but
    “the right of the people to keep and bear arms” refers to the state.

    15. “The Constitution is strong and will never change.” But we should
    ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th
    Amendments to that Constitution.

    16. Rifles and handguns aren’t necessary to national defense! Of
    course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.

    17. Private citizens shouldn’t have handguns, because they aren’t
    “military weapons”, but private citizens shouldn’t have “assault
    rifles”, because they are military weapons.

    18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, fingerprinting,
    government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is
    responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940’s, 1950’s and
    1960’s, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores,
    gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no
    background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were
    no school shootings.

    19. The NRA’s attempt to run a “don’t touch” campaign about kids
    handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby’s attempt to run a
    “don’t touch” campaign is responsible social activity.

    20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them
    properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

    21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the
    typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only
    has 20.

    22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with
    a gun is “an accident waiting to happen” and gun makers’
    advertisements aimed at women are “preying on their fears.”

    23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering
    butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

    24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings
    at gun shows.

    25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a
    majority of the population supported owning slaves.

    26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a
    “weapon of mass destruction” or an “assault weapon.”

    27. Most people can’t be trusted, so we should have laws against guns,
    which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.

    28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned
    because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but
    the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the
    Bill of Rights.

    29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters,
    computers, and typewriters, but self- defense only justifies bare

    Answer every question about open carry in Michigan you ever had with one convenient and free book-

    The complete and utter truth can be challenged from every direction and it will always hold up. Accordingly there are few greater displays of illegitimacy than to attempt to impede free thought and communication.

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    maahes wrote:
    "Only police should carry guns, they have training, regular people cant shoot like police can"
    Right . . . and that is why cops will pour 40 - 50 rounds into a bad guys vehicle after a police chase and only hit him 5 times. They are certainly a much better shot.

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    My favorite is when someone says, "My CPL instructor said..."

    OC is like wearing your underwear outside your pants.

    You are at a tactical disadvantage.

    I love it that they can not come up with anything on their own, but their CPL instructor said such and such, so that MUST be true.
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    -CPL / CCW (whatever other acronym you can think of for carrying a concealed pistol) Instructor
    -Co-founder of OKOCA

    I am not an attorney. None of my statements should be accepted, nor are they intended to be offered, as legal advice or fact of law.

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    "Officer, is it legal to carry gun in the open like that guy is doing over there?"
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    To continue Michigander's list:

    30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

    31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.

    32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.

    33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

    34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over hand guns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.

    35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.

    36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.

    37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

    38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.

    39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

    40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

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