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    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/...als_bleed.html

    Its fascinating to read about a liberal's thought processes, especially when the scales start to fall from her eyes. She's starting the road to recovery, but it won't be easy since she lives in Berkeley.

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    Very interesting read. She seems to be on the right track, hopefully she won't take it to far and jump in the deep end on the right.

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    Great article; thanks for posting it.

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    What's that sdaying?

    "Seek the truth and the truth will set you free".

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    Thats a good story. I hope she finds a good range and good instructor and enjoys this great hobby. She won't be any bodies victim again! Good going girl!

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    "A liberal is a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet." That's what they say...

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    Dispatcher wrote:
    "A liberal is a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet." That's what they say...

    I thought a liberalis a conservative that understands economics and realizes Reagan was a sham?

    I actually know plenty of "liberals" (and I use that term loosely, anyone that isn't the unibomer is a liberal by this site's standards) that are pro-2A.Respect for theright to keep and bear arms is not limited to fasci... I mean... "conservatives".


    Excellent article though.It should go out to every anti.

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    I figured one good thing is that since Berkeley forbids pistols, she'll probably have to go out of town to get one, and to practice with it. With a little luck she might run into someone who isn't a blithering leftoid. Her "friends" are really scary people.:shock:

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    I don't think it is a lib/con issue at all- it really is more of a country/city thing. The people locked in the cities grow up not thinking that they are allowed to defend themselves.

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    JohnK87 wrote:
    I don't think it is a lib/con issue at all- it really is more of a country/city thing. The people locked in the cities grow up not thinking that they are allowed to defend themselves.
    Winner!!

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    JohnK87 wrote:
    I don't think it is a lib/con issue at all- it really is more of a country/city thing. The people locked in the cities grow up not thinking that they are allowed to defend themselves.
    I think you might be on to something there.

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    JohnK87 wrote:
    I don't think it is a lib/con issue at all- it really is more of a country/city thing. The people locked in the cities grow up not thinking that they are allowed to defend themselves.
    Winner!!
    And why do you suppose they think they can't defend themselves?

    Because liberals have brainwashed them into believing that they can't.

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    JohnK87 wrote:
    I don't think it is a lib/con issue at all- it really is more of a country/city thing. The people locked in the cities grow up not thinking that they are allowed to defend themselves.
    Lets test that hypothesis:

    Phoenix-big city (over 1 million people)...lots of people use firearms to defend themselves regularly.

    Houston...big city....people don't seem afraid to defend themselves there.

    Miami...another big city, in one of the first CCW states...problem not noticed.



    no, I think it is a conservative/liberal thing.



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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    AWDstylez wrote:
    JohnK87 wrote:
    I don't think it is a lib/con issue at all- it really is more of a country/city thing. The people locked in the cities grow up not thinking that they are allowed to defend themselves.
    Winner!!
    And why do you suppose they think they can't defend themselves?

    Because liberals have brainwashed them into believing that they can't.


    No, because the anti-gun crowd as brainwashed them. Liberals have nothing to do with it.

    When a previously "conservative" pro-2A persontakes off their blinders, steps out in the real world, gets educated, etc... they don't magically become anti-2A.

    Just because someone wasn't rubbing Bush's balls for the last eight years, or because they like certain of Obama's policies, doesn't make them automatically anti-2A.

    Open your mind and the world suddenly becomes less black/white.

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    No, because the anti-gun crowd as brainwashed them.

    Open your mind and the world suddenly becomes less black/white.
    Show me a liberal and I will show you a brainwashed anti-gunner . :quirky:P:quirky

    Of course the prodacle transformation is encouraging and at the same time the spewing of vomit does smell awful .

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    I know many people who call themselves conservative who are anti gun. Vehemently.

    It is NOT a liberal/conservative divide.

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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    What's that sdaying?

    "Seek the truth and the truth will set you free".
    It isn't a "saying" it is a scripture: John 8:32 "Any ye shall know the truth, and the truth shal MAKE you free."

    Knowing the truth makes you free from the lies.

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    Dutch Uncle wrote:
    I figured one good thing is that since Berkeley forbids pistols, she'll probably have to go out of town to get one, and to practice with it. With a little luck she might run into someone who isn't a blithering leftoid. Her "friends" are really scary people.:shock:
    Berkeley forbids pistols?

    Is this "Berkeley, CA"?

    If so, the she sure as hell can have a pistol in Berkeley. She can even do the California UOC if she so chooses.




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    I'd like to get permission to republish this somewhere with edits.
    I think not using the words liberal and conservative would go a long way to making this article the perfect bridge for a lot of people in America.
    It's very easy for people to empathize with a story like that and take hard lessons away, even changing long-held beliefs. It's another thing entirely to use that story to attack an entire belief system. When you do that, the defenses go up too quickly and with too much strength for any argument to work.
    Those words are losing their meaning daily anyways...

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    ufcfanvt wrote:
    I'd like to get permission to republish this somewhere with edits.
    I think not using the words liberal and conservative would go a long way to making this article the perfect bridge for a lot of people in America.
    It's very easy for people to empathize with a story like that and take hard lessons away, even changing long-held beliefs. It's another thing entirely to use that story to attack an entire belief system. When you do that, the defenses go up too quickly and with too much strength for any argument to work.
    Those words are losing their meaning daily anyways...
    Yeah, the biggest problem with the article is her "conversion" to "conservatism".

    It's a good article, but I don't think it makes its point in the most convincing way. All the meaningless partisan language suggested to me a longtime conservative writer.

    We shouldn't be trying to make liberals become conservative. Liberalism can be a good thing (some liberals still take the word "liberal" at its historical meaning, after all), even as just as an opposition force to the "conservatism" of the right-wing, which has developed many serious flaws in recent years.

    What we should do is encourage liberals who plan to stay liberals to adopt appreciation for the RKBA as a tenet of their liberalism.

    Then we (gun owners) win.

    Edit: (Broken keyboard = forgive typos)

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    Indeed, the issue at hand isn't purely "liberal vs conservative". It might be more correct to say it is traditionalist vs. progressive, though all these terms paint with a fairly broad brush. Gotta happen, I guess. My main reason in using the old "liberal vs conservative" dichotomy here is the fact that the author of the piece used those very terms to describe her understanding of the issues.

    With regard to the snarky, dismissive, oh-so-sophisticated remarks of a certain poster from CT, many of us here have traveled widely, are well-educated/ well-read, and haven't worn blinders wider than anyone else's. If you believe Reagan was a sham, fine. Just don't assume that your pet theory is a good way to determine who is or isn't sophisticated.

    By the way the " fasci... I mean..'conservatives' " comment shows a glaring factual misconception. Fascism was a term coined by Mussolini to denote a hard-left, socialist system that believed in statism, high taxes and "big government" at its most frightening. Mussolini was a self-avowed "progressive socialist" who hated anything politically conservative. Talking about a "fascist conservative" is like complaining about a "Catholic atheist". Do some homework....

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    Dutch Uncle wrote:
    Talking about a "fascist conservative" is like complaining about a "Catholic atheist". Do some homework....

    Talking about "conservative" and "liberal" in general is an exercise in futility because those terms swap meanings every fifty to one-hundred years. The terms are a joke because NO ONE completely fits in one category, but people around here insist on using them incorrectly so I play right along.


    Modern, self-identified "conservatives" (which is whatI wasreferring to, think DickCheney)are, in fact,heavily statist fascists.

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    marshaul wrote:
    ufcfanvt wrote:
    I'd like to get permission to republish this somewhere with edits.
    I think not using the words liberal and conservative would go a long way to making this article the perfect bridge for a lot of people in America.
    It's very easy for people to empathize with a story like that and take hard lessons away, even changing long-held beliefs. It's another thing entirely to use that story to attack an entire belief system. When you do that, the defenses go up too quickly and with too much strength for any argument to work.
    Those words are losing their meaning daily anyways...
    Yeah, the biggest problem with the article is her "conversion" to "conservatism".

    It's a good article, but I don't think it makes its point in the most convincing way. All the meaningless partisan language suggested to me a longtime conservative writer.

    We shouldn't be trying to make liberals become conservative. Liberalism can be a good thing (some liberals still take the word "liberal" at its historical meaning, after all), even as just as an opposition force to the "conservatism" of the right-wing, which has developed many serious flaws in recent years.

    What we should do is encourage liberals who plan to stay liberals to adopt appreciation for the RKBA as a tenet of their liberalism.

    Then we (gun owners) win.

    Edit: (Broken keyboard = forgive typos)

    I'm glad someone gets it. There's still a ray of hope for the pro-2A cause.


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    Arguing with a liberal about gun control is like washing a pig. Its a waste of time and only annoys the pig.
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    Arguing with a liberal about gun control is like washing a pig. Its a waste of time and only annoys the pig.
    The intelligence of that statement is baffling to us mere mortals. I bow to you, giver of knowledge.

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