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    Renee Wilson, Prairie du Sac

    Virginia Tech. Columbine. A church in Kansas. A Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. A school in Weston. I think that is personal enough.

    Mrs. Dainty, I respect your right to free speech, however I still do not agree with your letter from last week’s Sauk Prairie Eagle, “Guns provide self-defense and aren’t allowed in bars.”

    When I think about the gun issue, I am thinking about the greater good of all people and not just the good of my family or myself. My family hasn’t had to deal with gun violence, thank God. Much of that is because I grew up knowing you look but don’t touch when it came to the family guns.

    I also had respect for my elders and the police officers of this town. I thought that an individual carrying a loaded weapon, waiting to take justice into their own hands was called vigilantism and was against the law.

    No one wants to take away anyone’s guns, so you aren’t being denied your Second Amendment right to bear arms. However, I am being denied my Fourth Amendment right to feel safe in my own person.

    Do my rights mean nothing? The Constitution that was written in 1787 was written as a guideline for our country to follow on the road to becoming a civilized nation. We are a nation that does not allow any one individual to be “judge, jury and executioner.”

    If I wanted my child growing up feeling safe only if she carried a weapon I would move to a third world country. That is the difference between The United States of America and many other countries: we are supposed to be civilized.

    Open carry laws will make it so much harder for police to determine a potential criminal. I choose to trust my police department and the training and knowledge of the law they have, instead of thinking that my opinions of emminent danger are the same as everyone else’s. I believe the majority of citizens of this great town are smarter than this.

    We need to focus on the greater good. There is loss, absolutely, and I’m sorry that anyone has to feel that. However, only thinking of yourself and your own safety is selfish, and not the American way.

    I choose to focus on the good in people and not the bad and not play on people’s fears of what might happen.

    Everyone has both good and bad in them and sometimes the only difference is not having a gun.

    Lastly, to Mrs. Dainty’s point that cars are also dangerous: Of course they are dangerous. However that is not their purpose for being. Guns, on the other hand, have only two purposes: To harm life, and target shooting. Isn’t there enough violence already?

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    A sadly confused baggage.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
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    I choose to trust my police department and the training and knowledge of the law they have...


    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
    So, this person obviously has not had an encounter with a so called LEO who had no idea what the laws were that they were supposed to be enforcing.

    Lastly, the 4th ammendment clearly protects an individual from illegal searches and seizures, not to fee safe and sucure in your person. It is funny what a comma will do to the meaning of a phrase. You'd think that as a person who makes a living constructing sentences would recognize that.

    Very lastly, the United States Constitution protects the citizens from the government. Confused fool this person be.
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 - "A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but the fool's heart to the left."

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Renee Wilson, Prairie du Sac

    However, I am being denied my Fourth Amendment right to feel safe in my own person.
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


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    The 1911 pistol remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem. Back when we audited the FBI academy in 1947, I was told that I ought not to use my pistol in their training program because it was not fair. Maybe the first thing one should demand of his sidearm is that it be unfair. Col. Jeff Cooper, GUNS & AMMO, January 2002

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    Great. Looks like I'll have to write in to this paper again and point out all ofthis womansill-conceived "perceived" rights.

    Or maybe I'll just let Candy do it. I don't think there is any help to some of these idiots out there.
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    I looked unsuccessfully for a 'reply to:' URL or e-mail address.

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    So......her "rights" are more right than our rights?

    Animal Farm 2009... "All animals are created equal...but some are more equal than others"

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    That was a great book. A good read for all.

    So much truth in it...

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    Virginia Tech. Columbine. A church in Kansas. A Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. A school in Weston. I think that is personal enough.

    Mrs. Dainty, I respect your right to free speech, however I still do not agree with your letter from last week’s Sauk Prairie Eagle, “Guns provide self-defense and aren’t allowed in bars.” How long did it take for the police to show up at these places? Armed citizens would have lowered the death toll significantly.[/b]

    When I think about the gun issue, I am thinking about the greater good of all people and not just the good of my family or myself. My family hasn’t had to deal with gun violence, thank God. Much of that is because I grew up knowing you look but don’t touch when it came to the family guns.

    I also had respect for my elders and the police officers of this town. I thought that an individual carrying a loaded weapon, waiting to take justice into their own hands was called vigilantism and was against the law. Nobody that needs to defend themselves actually wants to have to defend themselves.[/b] Open carrying is a deterrent so hopefully you won’t ever need touse the firearm in the first place.It's not takingjustice into your own hands it's protecting yourself from those that would do harm to you or others.[/b]

    No one wants to take away anyone’s guns, so you aren’t being denied your Second Amendment right to bear arms. Do you know what "bear" means? What about my right under the wisconsin constitution to bear arms for security and self defense, we’re being denied that! [/b]However, I am being denied my Fourth Amendment right to feel safe in my own person. You don’t have a 4th amendment right to feel safe in your own person. You have a 4th amendment right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizures. Read it again.[/b]

    Do my rights mean nothing? The Constitution that was written in 1787 was written as a guideline for our country to follow on the road to becoming a civilized nation. We are a nation that does not allow any one individual to be “judge, jury and executioner.” It’s not a “guideline” for anything, it’s a limit on the power of government.[/b]

    If I wanted my child growing up feeling safe only if she carried a weapon I would move to a third world country. That is the difference between The United States of America and many other countries: we are supposed to be civilized. The very reason 3rd world countries continue to be 3rd world countries is because an armed society is a polite society. How many 3rd world nations let their citizens own firearms?[/b]

    Open carry laws will make it so much harder for police to determine a potential criminal. I choose to trust my police department and the training and knowledge of the law they have, instead of thinking that my opinions of emminent danger are the same as everyone else’s. I believe the majority of citizens of this great town are smarter than this. Well, they’re smarter than you anway. Read Warren Vs. DC and then decide how confident you are in your police protection. Open carry by it’s very nature shows that you aren’t a criminal. Criminals conceal illegally, just ask the FBI.[/b]

    We need to focus on the greater good. There is loss, absolutely, and I’m sorry that anyone has to feel that. However, only thinking of yourself and your own safety is selfish, and not the American way. If you want to focus on the greater good and are so worried about everyone else, move to a socialist country, that’s what they do. While you’re there, ask the citizens how that’s working out for them.[/b]

    I choose to focus on the good in people and not the bad and not play on people’s fears of what might happen.If you choose to focus on the good of people, focus on the fact that good people own guns too. Good people protect themselves and their families. Good people won’t hurt you with their mean old guns.[/b]

    Everyone has both good and bad in them and sometimes the only difference is not having a gun. If you feel that way you are projecting your own irrational fears onto an entire class of people. You can’t handle the thought of carrying a gun thereforenobody shouldcarry a gun. Most people aren’t as irrational as you.[/b]

    Lastly, to Mrs. Dainty’s point that cars are also dangerous: Of course they are dangerous. However that is not their purpose for being. Guns, on the other hand, have only two purposes: To harm life, and target shooting. Isn’t there enough violence already? What about protecting life? There’s something guns do that cars don’t.[/b]


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    Brass Magnet wrote:
    Virginia Tech. Columbine. A church in Kansas. A Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. A school in Weston. I think that is personal enough.

    Mrs. Dainty, I respect your right to free speech, however I still do not agree with your letter from last week’s Sauk Prairie Eagle, “Guns provide self-defense and aren’t allowed in bars.” How long did it take for the police to show up at these places? Armed citizens would have lowered the death toll significantly.[/b]

    When I think about the gun issue, I am thinking about the greater good of all people and not just the good of my family or myself. My family hasn’t had to deal with gun violence, thank God. Much of that is because I grew up knowing you look but don’t touch when it came to the family guns.

    I also had respect for my elders and the police officers of this town. I thought that an individual carrying a loaded weapon, waiting to take justice into their own hands was called vigilantism and was against the law. Nobody that needs to defend themselves actually wants to have to defend themselves.[/b] Open carrying is a deterrent so hopefully you won’t ever need touse the firearm in the first place.It's not takingjustice into your own hands it's protecting yourself from those that would do harm to you or others.[/b]

    No one wants to take away anyone’s guns, so you aren’t being denied your Second Amendment right to bear arms. Do you know what "bear" means? What about my right under the wisconsin constitution to bear arms for security and self defense, we’re being denied that! [/b]However, I am being denied my Fourth Amendment right to feel safe in my own person. You don’t have a 4th amendment right to feel safe in your own person. You have a 4th amendment right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizures. Read it again.[/b]

    Do my rights mean nothing? The Constitution that was written in 1787 was written as a guideline for our country to follow on the road to becoming a civilized nation. We are a nation that does not allow any one individual to be “judge, jury and executioner.” It’s not a “guideline” for anything, it’s a limit on the power of government.[/b]

    If I wanted my child growing up feeling safe only if she carried a weapon I would move to a third world country. That is the difference between The United States of America and many other countries: we are supposed to be civilized. The very reason 3rd world countries continue to be 3rd world countries is because an armed society is a polite society. How many 3rd world nations let their citizens own firearms?[/b]

    Open carry laws will make it so much harder for police to determine a potential criminal. I choose to trust my police department and the training and knowledge of the law they have, instead of thinking that my opinions of emminent danger are the same as everyone else’s. I believe the majority of citizens of this great town are smarter than this. Well, they’re smarter than you anway. Read Warren Vs. DC and then decide how confident you are in your police protection. Open carry by it’s very nature shows that you aren’t a criminal. Criminals conceal illegally, just ask the FBI.[/b]

    We need to focus on the greater good. There is loss, absolutely, and I’m sorry that anyone has to feel that. However, only thinking of yourself and your own safety is selfish, and not the American way. If you want to focus on the greater good and are so worried about everyone else, move to a socialist country, that’s what they do. While you’re there, ask the citizens how that’s working out for them.[/b]

    I choose to focus on the good in people and not the bad and not play on people’s fears of what might happen.If you choose to focus on the good of people, focus on the fact that good people own guns too. Good people protect themselves and their families. Good people won’t hurt you with their mean old guns.[/b]

    Everyone has both good and bad in them and sometimes the only difference is not having a gun. If you feel that way you are projecting your own irrational fears onto an entire class of people. You can’t handle the thought of carrying a gun thereforenobody shouldcarry a gun. Most people aren’t as irrational as you.[/b]

    Lastly, to Mrs. Dainty’s point that cars are also dangerous: Of course they are dangerous. However that is not their purpose for being. Guns, on the other hand, have only two purposes: To harm life, and target shooting. Isn’t there enough violence already? What about protecting life? There’s something guns do that cars don’t.[/b]

    If one person in every school had a handgun, I would feel a lot better knowing my goddaughter was in public schools. If more had it, I might feel safe.

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    i agree 100%

    get teachers with guns and school shooting will be a thing of the past.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    I looked unsuccessfully for a 'reply to:' URL or e-mail address.
    You can email the editor and maybe get you letter put in the paper. There is no comment section though.
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    Guns, on the other hand, have only two purposes: To harm life, and target shooting. Isn’t there enough violence already?


    WRONG! A "gun" or firearm has but one purpose. Firearms are/were designed to launch a projectile in a specific direction at a specific velocity. That is all a firearm does.

    In all the examples sited, the victims/witnesses only had one option, cower and pray because people like the author took away the victims rights to "other options." I would remind this lady of the church attack in Utah in 2007. A female, legally armed, was able to take action in defense of self and others. Every individual involved in that incident, including law enforcement agreed, that armed lady saved lives.

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    bnhcomputing wrote:
    Guns, on the other hand, have only two purposes: To harm life, and target shooting. Isn’t there enough violence already?


    WRONG! A "gun" or firearm has but one purpose. Firearms are/were designed to launch a projectile in a specific direction at a specific velocity. That is all a firearm does.

    In all the examples sited, the victims/witnesses only had one option, cower and pray because people like the author took away the victims rights to "other options." I would remind this lady of the church attack in Utah in 2007. A female, legally armed, was able to take action in defense of self and others. Every individual involved in that incident, including law enforcement agreed, that armed lady saved lives.
    In Brookfield it was the same story, but no one had a gun. It was real bad. In the end, the gunman shot him self. No one could stop him, until he was done. A few sheep went home that day...

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    "Handguns have but one purpose, to defend human life against unexpected lethal attack".
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    Well, I sent in another letter to the editor. Figured I'd give you guys a preview, or only view, incase it doesn't get published.

    What happened to teaching of this nation’s founding and the Constitution in schools? Has it been lost down the same lonely road as personal responsibility? I feel embarrassed by some readers who’s letters were published in the last two weeks. I hope those people can learn something by this and take a new interest in reading some of the most important documents in the world.

    The Constitution as amended is not a “guideline” as one reader put it, but the supreme LAW of the land, above any law the legislator can make. The Constitution enumerates a set of limited powers for the government. The Bill of Rights was amended to the constitution because of the rational fear of government abuse. The 9th and 10th amendments in particular make it clear that all rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution are reserved for the people, and all powers not enumerated are reserved for the States or to the people. Our government as no legal power to deny our rights. They HAVE of course, because we let them. Stupid us!

    If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed.
    —George Washington


    “Focus on the greater good”, “It’s for your safety” The Patriot Act. Bit by bit, we are less free. If your ultimate goal is the greater good; that’s called socialism. The very reason this nation is civilized at all is because of the Constitution, including the red-headed stepchild 2A. The socialist countries of North Korea, China, and Vietnam don’t allow their citizens to own guns. Sure screws up one reader’s argument about 3rd world countries. But it makes sense doesn’t it? After all, the 2A is the only right that guarantees protection of our other rights. Has anyone been paying attention to Iran? Does anyone remember Tiananmen Square?

    If you understand the Constitution and the times in which it was ratified you will see how far the government has truly overstepped its bounds. You would also see that the 4th amendment is a right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure, not to “feel” secure. Freedom is scary; it’s a lot of work, justlike swimming is more difficult than surrendering and peacefully drowning.


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