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    Last month my mom had a cva stroke and was in the hospital for five weeks she came
    home Tuesday yesterday the visiting nurse came in and DEMANDED to know if I had guns in the home . I feel this is really none of their affairs , they said it was for their insurance company any thoughts on this ( it was undeniable since I had two gun publications on the table ) .

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    dukenukum wrote:
    Last month my mom had a cva stroke and was in the hospital for five weeks she came
    home Tuesday yesterday the visiting nurse came in and DEMANDED to know if I had guns in the home . I feel this is really none of their affairs , they said it was for their insurance company any thoughts on this ( it was undeniable since I had two gun publications on the table ) . Â*
    If I'm asked, I'd tell them nunya bizness.

    It really isn't.

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    dukenukum wrote:
    Last month my mom had a cva stroke and was in the hospital for five weeks she came
    home Tuesday yesterday the visiting nurse came in and DEMANDED to know if I had guns in the home . I feel this is really none of their affairs , they said it was for their insurance company any thoughts on this ( it was undeniable since I had two gun publications on the table ) .
    So if you had an issue of Playboy magazine on the table would the nurse want to know if you had any hookers in the house? LMAO....what an idiot.

    Seriously, you are not legally required to disclose that information to a nurse.

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    Think the gun on my hip might give it away?

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    They have no authority to expect an answer to that question. I would just tell them it is none of their business. I would however alos make sure that they were very well secured to keep the snooping nurse from messing with them. Same with ammo.
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    Lodge a complaint with the nurse services, and request a more Conservative nurse to care for your family, as an anti 2nd amendment Nurse frighten's you !!!!

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    mastiff69 wrote:
    Lodge a complaint with the nurse services, and request a more Conservative nurse to care for your family, as an anti 2nd amendment Nurse frighten's you !!!!
    I vote for this approach.

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    I like Mastiff's complaint idea as well. If she was rudely demanding to know things she had no right to, you definitely have good reason to complain and ask for another nurse.
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    Next time she demands if you have any guns in your house, demand to see her nursing license. Write down her number, file a complaint with the nursing board. If she refuses treatment to your mother because you have guns in the house, she'll lose her license permanently. Nurses cannot deny treatment to anyone unless it's a direct conflict of interest; for example, a wife treating her husband, etc.
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    I asked my "significant other" who is an RN about this; she has been practicing for 22 years. She currently is in "management", but has been a supervisor of "home-health care" nurses in a former position. She grew up in a house with rifles prominently displayed in a gun cabinet and, when she was younger she often went plinking with her father. She does not carry herself, but has gone to the range with me and when we go out together and I OC, she thinks it is ridiculous anyone would have a problem with it.

    When I asked her what her opinion of such a question was, her first response was that "they ask a lot of stupid questions" and said it probably was part of a questionnaire that was put together by a supervisor or attorney. Later, she went on to say that she understood why they would ask, as she has been in a many houses that the "clientele" was not that far removed from the general prison population.
    She did say that it really shouldn't matter what your answer is, and as malignity said, the nurse can't refuse to treat your mother solely based upon you answering in the affirmative. You can also elect to say "none of your business".

    If it were me, I would have said "Yep, is there a problem?" or "why, can't you be trusted around firearms?" Just me though...
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    DrTodd wrote:
    I asked my "significant other" who is an RN about this; she has been practicing for 22 years. She currently is in "management", but has been a supervisor of "home-health care" nurses in a former position. She grew up in a house with rifles prominently displayed in a gun cabinet and, when she was younger she often went plinking with her father. She does not carry herself, but has gone to the range with me and when we go out together and I OC, she thinks it is ridiculous anyone would have a problem with it.

    When I asked her what her opinion of such a question was, her first response was that "they ask a lot of stupid questions" and said it probably was part of a questionnaire that was put together by a supervisor or attorney. Later, she went on to say that she understood why they would ask, as she has been in a many houses that the "clientele" was not that far removed from the general prison population.
    She did say that it really shouldn't matter what your answer is, and as malignity said, the nurse can't refuse to treat your mother solely based upon you answering in the affirmative. You can also elect to say "none of your business".

    If it were me, I would have said "Yep, is there a problem?" or "why, can't you be trusted around firearms?" Just me though...
    I would have completely refused to answer the question and immediately made a complaint. I would have been just as offended if the nurse would have asked "Who did you vote for the the last presidential election" like it had a bearing on services or level of care.
    For allsomeone would know, the nurses boyfriendmay bea criminal and she was ordered to find homes with firearms that he could steal. Sort of lgeally casing a home.

    I had an insurance company ask for my roommates SSN, and drivers license number once. I asked what they needed that for and they stated thayplanned on charging my premiums based on her driving record. She did not have access to any of my vehicles! We were not involved, we just shared a large house!
    Geico car insurance will not insure you if you own a radar detector!
    I can explain more about that later if someone is interested

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    In a somewhat related situation, a member of another forum I frequent wasasked to update his information at his doctor's office andduring the update was asked if he owned firearms and if so how many?

    He asked whythey needed to know and wasjust told "it was a required question"

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    Bronson wrote:
    In a somewhat related situation, a member of another forum I frequent wasÂ*asked to update his information at his doctor's office andÂ*during the update was asked if he owned firearms and if so how many?

    He asked whyÂ*they needed to know and wasÂ*just told "it was a required question"

    BronsonÂ*
    Thank the Nat'l Medical Asoociation for that.

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    Zig you are on to something... These medical fruits think because people are husrt with firearms that it is their duty to preach to us... and many of them back gun control and holler all sorts of junk statistics to back them selves up. It's the same as the doctors who rant against motorcycles BC some people get hurt or killed on them. People are always going to get hurt and killed one way or another... we cannot end that. BUT some people think that if we outlaw all dangerous activity that that will somehow help. But all that will do is make other activities look more dangerouse and then cause them to be outlawed and so on and on and on....
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    List (long) of national organizations with anti-gun policies and celebrities who are anti-gun:

    http://www.nraila.org/issues/factsheets/read.aspx?id=15

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    I am taking my Micky on them every time they come to the house I open carry my HI - POINT .45 a gun you can't miss seeing

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    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    List (long) of national organizations with anti-gun policies and celebrities who are anti-gun:

    http://www.nraila.org/issues/factsheets/read.aspx?id=15
    Is there a list of those who are pro gun?
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    FatboyCykes wrote:
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    Well, after all, it is a start...

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    malignity wrote:
    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    List (long) of national organizations with anti-gun policies and celebrities who are anti-gun:

    http://www.nraila.org/issues/factsheets/read.aspx?id=15
    Is there a list of those who are pro gun?
    List of pro gun organizations:

    http://www.wmsa.net/Link_progun.htm

    ETA: Obviously, a partial list.




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    this one i cant understand:

    American Alliance for Rights and Responsibilities

    to me it would seem that they be for all rights or are they just supporting those that deal with human rights.

    also did they work for s*****w nursing, because i got an old .303 enfeild in the house in my moms room where she has nurses come and go all the time and we have never been asked if there was any guns in the house.

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    390JOE wrote:
    this one i cant understand:

    American Alliance for Rights and Responsibilities

    to me it would seem that they be for all rights or are they just supporting those that deal with human rights.

    also did they work for s*****w nursing, because i got an old .303 enfeild in the house in my moms room where she has nurses gome and go all the time and we have never been asked if there was any guns in the house.
    it is them i talked to the head boss and the offender will be spoken to about it .

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    Bravo tengo whisikey most of the time home visiting nurses are sent from a Temp Service used by the hospital and also since the hospital is not a federal or state service they have no right in wheather or not you have or do not have guns in the house,just get someone else as ur home RN not to say they are a dime a dozen but you do not need a reason to change ur RN its your right to protect.

    Bravo Tengo Whiskey what kinda holster do you use for your hipoint 45 uncle mikes 15 rides like 2 inchs off me so I cannot oc that thing.

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    Bustelo5% wrote:
    Bravo tengo whisikey . . . Bravo Tengo Whiskey
    Foxtrot Yankee India, "tengo" should actually be spelled "Tango". :P
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    Bravo Tengo Whiskey what kinda holster do you use for your hipoint 45 uncle mikes 15 rides like 2 inchs off me so I cannot oc that thing.
    I use a pro tech outdoors on a Bianchi belt that I picked up at a gun show .
    here is there website .
    http://www.protechoutdoors.com/


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