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    As I have mentioned I have been going to the Safeway Starbucks open carry for over a year now.Never have I had any confrontaions to speak of.Mostly just the curious.

    Well this morning I am sitting at the Starbucks reading the paper having my coffee.All of a sudden I hear in a loud voice "who the f...k you think you are carrying a gun around like that."I looked up but did not respond.

    He would not stop."hey mu......kr lets go outside I'll kick your lilly white a..s""you think you some kind a big shot with a gun?'" "you ain't nothin mu...kr..come on outside you skinny white son of a bitch." I did not respond.Kept trying to read the sports page."Hey a..s h..le talkin to you "I keep my gun at home who the f..k you think you are lets go outside right now...""mu....kr think you somethin I'll kick that skinny white a..s all ove the parking lot."You gonna shoot a black man huh?" All this while he was checking out his groceries. All the Starbuck girls and checkers saw and heard all of this.

    He kept threatening me for about 10 minutes and then left.I did not look up or acknowledge him in any way.

    No response from me. After he left the girls and others came up and were high fiving me and telling me that I handled that with perfect restraint.And the fact I didn't acknowledge his existence pissed him off even more.He was acting like a twelve year old.

    Anyway I had Desmoines police come down and talked with us just so I have it on record with witnesses that he was threatening me.BUt one of the cops said" What do expect carrying like that" BUt the other said "well I see why you carry around here and that even sounds like reverse descrimination to me"

    We didn't get his name but I'm going to see if they have him on video.

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    Seatac Willow lake meeting july 18th Saturday lets make it big around here!!!!!More info later.

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    Discrimination is discrimination. There is no such thing as "reverse discrimination".

    Good for you in showing restraint when threatened by an idiot.

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    Hmm, think I would have been on the phone as soon as the altercation started. That way if this guy got physical you would have been the first one on the phone and have a record through the 911 call of what happened. But that's some damn good restraint.....hope I would handle myself as well in such an occurance.

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    One of the gals there said she was abot to call 911 but he left.I also have the manager who by the way has agreed to support our July 18th meet here,looking at the video seeing if we can get an ID.

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    Great job Deros!!!! I love how the Safeway staff supported you. Wish I could have watched the frustration on that man's face when he couldn't get a rise out of you.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Thanks .We should all support these Safeway folks.They have been beyond reproach in their support.Also this guy was beside himself because I completly ignored him.One of the pints in Crrying is self protection not to pull it out or respond because someone starts calling names....He was childish.

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    I take it he paid cash?
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    Hef wrote:
    Discrimination is discrimination. There is no such thing as "reverse discrimination".

    Good for you in showing restraint when threatened by an idiot.
    I hate to be 'that guy' but I feel the need to correct you a bit. There is such a thing as reverse discrimination. While it is discrimination, it is discrimination against the dominant group which disrupts the norms (whether these norms are good or bad isn't point) that society has put into place. Affirmative action is generally used as an example.

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    No need to get off on that tangent.The only thing that bothered me a little was the one officers comment that none of it would have happened if I wasn't carrying.It wasn't me that tried to start a confrontation.I was indeed within the law and my rights.I also hate when these guys try to play the race card.That just demonstrates to me a those around me an inferior intellect.Those that witnessed also made the same observations.

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    G27 wrote:
    Hef wrote:
    Discrimination is discrimination. There is no such thing as "reverse discrimination".

    Good for you in showing restraint when threatened by an idiot.
    I hate to be 'that guy' but I feel the need to correct you a bit. There is such a thing as reverse discrimination. While it is discrimination, it is discrimination against the dominant group which disrupts the norms (whether these norms are good or bad isn't point) that society has put into place. Affirmative action is generally used as an example.
    The term 'reverse discrimination' bythe rules of English would mean the 'undoing of discrimination' which is not what I think you're trying to convey right? Discrimination is just an act of discriminating or discerning. What would be more apt for this situation would be to say that the buffoon making the ruckus was a small minded bigot.
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    He was just that like a regression to the 7th grade....The bully found out that those around himwere nowable to defend themselves and did't like it.

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    DEROS72 wrote:
    He was just that like a regression to the 7th grade....The bully found out that those around himwere nowable to defend themselves and did't like it.
    QFT!
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    Good job handling a difficult situation. Kudos to you.

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    You're a better man than I. I seriously doubt I would have been able to keep quiet with him raging on like that.
























































    I woulda busted up laughing at his histrionics.

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    DEROS72 wrote:
    BUt one of the cops said" What do expect carrying like that"
    Blame the victim. Classy.

    I guess those ****** deserved getting raped, wearing skirts instead of a proper flowery dress...
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    It seems that is the way society is headed these days...I would bet a months pension if I would have reacted in any way I would have been seen as the bad guy racist etc.Thats why I just let talk on and make an a...s of himself.Which he seemed pretty good at.I will never respond to someone just shooting their mouth off.

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    It wasn't me that tried to start a confrontation.I was indeed within the law and my rights.
    Even more so that you were on private property with at least the implied permission to carry from the property owner.

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    That is exactly true.

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    BTW his actions were disorderly conduct...

    (1) A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if the person:

    (a) Uses abusive language and thereby intentionally creates a risk of assault;



    and malicious harassment.....


    RCW 9A.36.080 Malicious harassment-

    (1) A person is guilty of malicious harassment if he or she maliciously and intentionally commits one of the following acts because of his or her perception of the victim's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, or mental, physical, or sensory handicap:

    (...)

    Threatens a specific person or group of persons and places that person, or members of the specific group of persons, in reasonable fear of harm to person or property. The fear must be a fear that a reasonable person would have under all the circumstances.


    If he paid by credit card, you have his name. quick warrant to the credit card company gets you his address, address+name=drivers license+social.
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    Couldn't find the name on a reciept and we checked the camera and it only showed the top of his head.Nothing you could ID.Anyway I had a store full of witnesses that backed me and the manager said he will 86 him from the store if he comes in again.

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    TechnoWeenie wrote:
    DEROS72 wrote:
    BUt one of the cops said" What do expect carrying like that"
    Blame the victim. Classy.

    I guess those ****** deserved getting raped, wearing skirts instead of a proper flowery dress...
    this was going to be the same response i had, but you beat me to it.
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    Too bad the cop had to make an idiot remark.
    That's probably why they had him paired off with someone a lot smarter. His partner obviously had it together and probably keeps the dumber partner from getting in over his head.

    Cities try to hire smart cops but sometimes the budget just goes so far and they have to settle for less than perfect.
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    mal harr is a felony, BTW. disorderly is a misdemeanor.
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    Damn, you have some serious restraint. I would like to think I would handle it the same way, although I probably would of got my pepper spray in hand just in case he tried anything more than just harass me.

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