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    http://news.oldva.org/blogroll/fudruckers-goes-antigun/

    Today, my wife and I had errands to run in Richmond. Since we were in the area of Parham and Broad, we decided to eat at Fuddruckers.
    As I got to the door, I stopped dead in my tracks. On the door was lettering that said "No Guns". As it happens, my gun was in the car anyway, but I absolutely refuse to patronize a business that doesn't believe in one of the most basic Virginia Rights.
    We have eaten at Fuddruckers for years and on occasion, gone there with VCDL members after meetings.
    I told my wife we were going to the River City Diner and would meet her in the car.
    I went in and asked for the manager. She came out and I gave her a card. I asked how long the sign had beeen there, knowing it hadn't been long. She said they were robbed a couple of weeks ago and the next morning the sign went up.
    I told her that they were going to lose a lot of business. She said I could bring my gun in if I wanted. I explained it wasn't the gun, it was the principle and as long as that sign was still there, I wouldn't come back.
    I also explained that if lawful gun owners had been carrying then, the thieves would have looked for an easier target,
    So Fuddruckers is on the Old Virginia blacklist. Hopefully the thousands of law abiding gun owners in the area will take notice,
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    Well, glory be!! Now it is not possible for them to be robbed again since they don't allow guns in there. See how easy it is? Wish I'd thunk 'o that.

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    If we put up a sign, no one will rob us..........priceless!

    Thank you for passing this along. I'll make all my students aware of this. I've eaten there before and OC'd without incident. They'll be getting a letter from me.
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    That's sad. I will call on Monday and voice my displeasure.

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    You know, I was sitting here re-reading Peter Nap's post about Fuddruckers. I plan to send a letter of complaint.

    We always say that hitting these businesses in the wallet is what impacts them. I also think what impacts them is public outcry when an incident is fresh, like Peter Nap's.

    So do this....Sit down and write yourself a letter....in your own words, not a form letter posted here for everyone to send. Keep it generic enough that you don't need to rewrite it for each instance. Save it on your computer. When one of us has an incident, print your letter, change whatever needs to be changed and drop it in the mail. Make the effort to send a letter. Imagine a business's mailbox when 20 letters arrive in a week. Let them know in your letter that you will not be frequenting their business due to their stance. If I never go to Fuddruckers again due to someone else's incident, does Fuddruckers really know that? Do they miss my revenue? No, because they never knew that they might have had it. If you have a "frequent customer card" or a coupon for that business, send it with your letter to let them know that you won't be using it.
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    I would not say FuddRucker in general.

    There is no sign on the one in Woodbridge, unless they were robbed recently and also expect someone to show up at the door, see the sign, and say "Aww shucks, we are going to have to go someone else to commit armed robbery."

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    I ate at Fudruckers just the other day (while OCing) in Herndon. Had no problems.

    Shouldn't the sign read "No robbing"? I am sure that would work I mean how can you disobey a sign
    "Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much.' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have as much.'"- Phelps Adams

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    glad they put that sign on the door. Now the BG know they can't carry their guns in there. I feel so much safer.
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    peter nap wrote:
    She (manager) said they were robbed a couple of weeks ago and the next morning the sign (No Guns) went up.
    I gotta' borrow that managers statement to add to my collection of stupid remarks made by anti guns people.

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    If they allowed him to bring his gun in, they're not too far gone, or too set on their principle.

    But, busting their chops will encourage them to dig in their heels.

    I would suggest a soft, gentle approach. Maybe Philip or a VCDL Board member can call or visit.

    In Peter's shoes, maybe a return visit with a gentle acknowledgement that, "I over-reacted. I appreciate that you were willing to let me carry despite the sign. It really says something about trust. Thank you. Sincerely. It must have been scary as hell for the staff at the time of the robbery. And it must create some real anxiety wondering when it will happen next and whether anyone will get hurt." Then drop it right there.

    Wait a few days, let that last discussion sink in, thenvisit again. Onlyat this pointremonstrate with them.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    If they allowed him to bring his gun in, they're not too far gone, or too set on their principle.

    But, busting their chops will encourage them to dig in their heels.

    I would suggest a soft, gentle approach. Maybe Philip or a VCDL Board member can call or visit.

    In Peter's shoes, maybe a return visit with a gentle acknowledgement that, "I over-reacted. I appreciate that you were willing to let me carry despite the sign. It really says something about trust. Thank you. Sincerely. It must have been scary as hell for the staff at the time of the robbery. And it must create some real anxiety wondering when it will happen next and whether anyone will get hurt." Then drop it right there.

    Wait a few days, let that last discussion sink in, thenvisit again. Onlyat this pointremonstrate with them.
    Not me, I have a zero tolerance policy!
    I did email it to Philip, he can soft soap them if he wants to.

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    Ken Cucinelli had a meet and greet at Fuddruckers not too long ago. A preponderance of attendees were OCing.

    We have eaten there as a group after VCDL meetings - not likely again under the present circumstances.

    How this will help a business that has been steadily declining is beyond me.

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    I go to this Fuddruckers at least once a month with my girlfriend. Not going there anymore until that notice is taken down.

    As far as post-meeting fellowship, Topekas is always a good choice. Right next to the library. I have never had an issue carrying there.

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    My first Open Carry was while working as a cook at a Fuddruckers many years ago in Clackamas OR. Wanted an easy/comfortable costume for Halloween, so I went as a cowboy. Complete with a 22LR pistol w/bone grips, as it was the only gun I owned that fit the costume.

    And Fudd's is a franchise, so even if one store has a policy, it doesn't mean the next will.

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    Maybe the manager of the Annandale, VA Fudds could call the manager of this new anti-gun Fudds and convince them that their sign only keeps the good guys from carrying guns.

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    I applaud any business owner who is doing so well these days that they can afford to turn away customers.

    Bravo!

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    My letter to the General Manager is in the mailbox.....

    Is yours?
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    ProShooter wrote:
    My letter to the General Manager is in the mailbox.....

    Is yours?
    Yep!

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    That's a shame. Rather sad, actually. You would think that being robbed would further instill the idea that "man, we need to allow the good guys to continue to carry." All they are doing is making their restaurant even more of a target.

    Guess I'll be sticking to Carytown Burgers & Fries and Five Guys from now on.

    I remember the Heller celebration we had there with Cuccinelli... one entire side of the restaurant was packed. That's quite a bit of people to be turning away.

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    Being that she was going to allow him to bring his gun in he should have asked her to change the sign to read No Robberies. :shock: That is what they are trying to stop, right?

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    kimbercarrier wrote:
    Being that she was going to allow him to bring his gun in he should have asked her to change the sign to read No Robberies. :shock: That is what they are trying to stop, right?
    This is a great idea!!!!
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    No Crime Zone
    Absolutely no illegal activity permitted
    Legally Armed Citizens Welcomed

    :celebrate


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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    SNIP


    No Crime Zone
    Absolutely no illegal activity permitted
    Legally Armed Citizens Welcomed

    (Proper Dress Required)


    There. Fixed it for you.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    IfI wrote letters to places like this, I would include a copy of the receipt for the money I spent at one of their competitors. I would keep a list, and continue to send such receipts until the policy changes. (i.e.: Dear sir, regarding my letter of 35 June 2011, here is a copy ofanother receipt from Buisiness X, money I would have spent at your establishment had your company not been bigoted about my civil rights. I believe the total is now up to $XXX.XX) I'd word it a bit more diplomatically, of course, but you get the general idea.

    Of course, here in Tucson, it's never really come up yet...:celebrate

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