Bustelo5%
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official language defined by attorney general for OC ?
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color of law
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Bustelo5% wrote:
Not to poopoo your idea, but, the definition of CC (that's the courts definition) is arbitrary (decided by a judge rather than by a law or statute).
Good luck
Bustelo5% wrote:
There is no law saying OC is legal. Guberments don't pass laws that say what you can do. They pass laws saying what you cannot do. The Guberment cannot right laws regulating a right. So, to regulate (in Ohio) CC the Ohio Supreme Court had to declare OC a fundamental right. See Kline and ORC 9.68.
Not to poopoo your idea, but, the definition of CC (that's the courts definition) is arbitrary (decided by a judge rather than by a law or statute).
Good luck
Bustelo5%
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color of law
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Bustelo5% wrote:
You must understand that a firearm laying out in plain site on a table could be ruled concealed buy a court. That's called arbitrary......
Bustelo5% wrote:
What part of :
don't you understand?????
You must understand that a firearm laying out in plain site on a table could be ruled concealed buy a court. That's called arbitrary......
DJ_Amish
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cut him some slack.. he is from Kent.. they dont grow too smart there lol
cut him some slack.. he is from Kent.. they dont grow too smart there lol
RT48
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Just as an example of arbitrariness, most people who saw a guy carrying a gun in a military flap style holster would probably think he was open carrying. The Cleveland Police and Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Bill Mason thought otherwise and the guy ended up being prosecuted for CCW.
Just as an example of arbitrariness, most people who saw a guy carrying a gun in a military flap style holster would probably think he was open carrying. The Cleveland Police and Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Bill Mason thought otherwise and the guy ended up being prosecuted for CCW.
Bustelo5%
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DJ_Amish
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Just do what I did, Go through the police academy
Just do what I did, Go through the police academy
Bustelo5%
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uhh great?? good for you going to to LEO academy? hey i respect LEOS alot since I have worked with alot.
ALL NEXT REPLIES SHOULD BE LAW AND LAW ASSOCIATED ONLY
ANY CASES THE AG HAS DELT WITH OC
uhh great?? good for you going to to LEO academy? hey i respect LEOS alot since I have worked with alot.
ALL NEXT REPLIES SHOULD BE LAW AND LAW ASSOCIATED ONLY
ANY CASES THE AG HAS DELT WITH OC
color of law
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Bustelo5% wrote:
Start your research here......
http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/ROD/docs/
Bustelo5% wrote:
You don't have to scream. And I think the problem is that you are demanding info as though we have a duty to hand it over. Typical thought process of an Army brat.
Start your research here......
http://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/ROD/docs/
Bustelo5%
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Lets just agree that we dont see eye to eye,and I like to ask the first time questions since I am a first timer so ill stop posting on your posts and you stop posting on mine and life will go on since you cannot be cordial w your posts.
Lets just agree that we dont see eye to eye,and I like to ask the first time questions since I am a first timer so ill stop posting on your posts and you stop posting on mine and life will go on since you cannot be cordial w your posts.
color of law
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Bustelo5% wrote:
Bustelo5% wrote:
Good luck, you will need it.
Bustelo5%
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Ok LAdies and Gents I am still working on this project of mine,I just need some definitons of CC so I can give Pics of OC of how you can and cannot.Im currently working on the format and all I need is the rest of the info.
Ok LAdies and Gents I am still working on this project of mine,I just need some definitons of CC so I can give Pics of OC of how you can and cannot.Im currently working on the format and all I need is the rest of the info.
sillybilly1a
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God helps those who help them selves. dont ask people for things your not willing to find yourself.
God helps those who help them selves. dont ask people for things your not willing to find yourself.
Lthrnck
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Well like Color of Law stated.
You are not going to get anything about Open Carry officially except for ORC 9.68 and the Klien vs. Leis, it's just not available.
The AG will not give out opinions to the general public.
Well like Color of Law stated.
You are not going to get anything about Open Carry officially except for ORC 9.68 and the Klien vs. Leis, it's just not available.
The AG will not give out opinions to the general public.
RT48
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It's not an official opinion, but if you want to hear AG Cordray talk about OC, listen to the first ten minutes of this radio program.
http://bfa.cros.net/FirearmsForum-2009-06-28.mp3
It's not an official opinion, but if you want to hear AG Cordray talk about OC, listen to the first ten minutes of this radio program.
http://bfa.cros.net/FirearmsForum-2009-06-28.mp3
Bustelo5%
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BB62
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Bustelo5% wrote:
Official language "defined" by the AG?? ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!Now I have certainly heard it all.
How many times are you going to ask about the same question, or slight variations on it????
It's not from the AG (who is GOD, as far as you're concerned, it seems...), but add this to your magic talisman (you know, the one that's going to totally protect you from extra-legal police stops, and BS charges):
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/gp9.68
"(A) The individual right to keep and bear arms, being a fundamental individual right that predates the United States Constitution and Ohio Constitution, and being a constitutionally protected right in every part of Ohio, the general assembly finds the need to provide uniform laws throughout the state regulating the ownership, possession, purchase, other acquisition, transport, storage, carrying, sale, or other transfer of firearms, their components, and their ammunition. Except as specifically provided by the United States Constitution, Ohio Constitution, state law, or federal law, a person, without further license, permission, restriction, delay, or process, may own, possess, purchase, sell, transfer, transport, store, or keep any firearm, part of a firearm, its components, and its ammunition.
(B) In addition to any other relief provided, the court shall award costs and reasonable attorney fees to any person, group, or entity that prevails in a challenge to an ordinance, rule, or regulation as being in conflict with this section.
(C) As used in this section:
(1) The possession, transporting, or carrying of firearms, their components, or their ammunition include, but are not limited to, the possession, transporting, or carrying, openly or concealed on a person’s person or concealed ready at hand, of firearms, their components, or their ammunition.
(2) “Firearm” has the same meaning as in section 2923.11 of the Revised Code.
(D) This section does not apply to either of the following:
(1) A zoning ordinance that regulates or prohibits the commercial sale of firearms, firearm components, or ammunition for firearms in areas zoned for residential or agricultural uses;
(2) A zoning ordinance that specifies the hours of operation or the geographic areas where the commercial sale of firearms, firearm components, or ammunition for firearms may occur, provided that the zoning ordinance is consistent with zoning ordinances for other retail establishments in the same geographic area and does not result in a de facto prohibition of the commercial sale of firearms, firearm components, or ammunition for firearms in areas zoned for commercial, retail, or industrial uses."
Bustelo5% wrote:
You are one dense individual.
Official language "defined" by the AG?? ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!Now I have certainly heard it all.
How many times are you going to ask about the same question, or slight variations on it????
It's not from the AG (who is GOD, as far as you're concerned, it seems...), but add this to your magic talisman (you know, the one that's going to totally protect you from extra-legal police stops, and BS charges):
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/gp9.68
"(A) The individual right to keep and bear arms, being a fundamental individual right that predates the United States Constitution and Ohio Constitution, and being a constitutionally protected right in every part of Ohio, the general assembly finds the need to provide uniform laws throughout the state regulating the ownership, possession, purchase, other acquisition, transport, storage, carrying, sale, or other transfer of firearms, their components, and their ammunition. Except as specifically provided by the United States Constitution, Ohio Constitution, state law, or federal law, a person, without further license, permission, restriction, delay, or process, may own, possess, purchase, sell, transfer, transport, store, or keep any firearm, part of a firearm, its components, and its ammunition.
(B) In addition to any other relief provided, the court shall award costs and reasonable attorney fees to any person, group, or entity that prevails in a challenge to an ordinance, rule, or regulation as being in conflict with this section.
(C) As used in this section:
(1) The possession, transporting, or carrying of firearms, their components, or their ammunition include, but are not limited to, the possession, transporting, or carrying, openly or concealed on a person’s person or concealed ready at hand, of firearms, their components, or their ammunition.
(2) “Firearm” has the same meaning as in section 2923.11 of the Revised Code.
(D) This section does not apply to either of the following:
(1) A zoning ordinance that regulates or prohibits the commercial sale of firearms, firearm components, or ammunition for firearms in areas zoned for residential or agricultural uses;
(2) A zoning ordinance that specifies the hours of operation or the geographic areas where the commercial sale of firearms, firearm components, or ammunition for firearms may occur, provided that the zoning ordinance is consistent with zoning ordinances for other retail establishments in the same geographic area and does not result in a de facto prohibition of the commercial sale of firearms, firearm components, or ammunition for firearms in areas zoned for commercial, retail, or industrial uses."
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color of law
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BINGO!!!!!!:celebrate