hsmith
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TexasNative wrote:
There is not one place I go out to eat that is a "bar" in any sense, yes - they may have a bar that sells liquor, but the establishment is a restaurant through and through.
My favorite place to eat has a license to sell alcohol, but they have no "bar" area at all, they only serve wine. So, I don't see how it is a "bar" in any liberal sense of thinking.
TexasNative wrote:
Then, if they really care about this "gun in bars" argument, they should be proposing the Legislature creates a "bar" distinction, disallowing firearms in true bars, and allowing firearms in restaurants. (If that is right or wrong with firearm freedom is another argument)hsmith wrote:Is this not a distinction without a difference? Yeah, all of us here know that, technically, there's no such thing as a "bar" in Virginia. But if you go up to the majority of the folks who live in Virginia and ask them if Virginia has any bars, they'll probably look at you as if you're insane.Can someone give me a list of bars in Virginia?
If you get away from the legal technicalities of Virginia law, we clearly have bars in Virginia. They're just required to also serve food (a certain percentage of their income must come from food sales). Look at it rationally, and there are plenty of bars in Virginia. Just because the ABC calls them restaurants doesn't mean they're not bars by a "common man" definition.
And those are the places that they're talking about in editorials like this. Denying their existence won't get us very far. These aren't places where most of us are talking about carrying, openly or concealed. So in the end, we in the gun rights community are talking about carrying in one type of business, where the antis are talking about guns in a completely different type of business, even though they share the same type of liquor license.
I don't know the answer, but them talking about one type of establishment while we talk about a different type of establishment isn't going to get us anywhere. I think we need to change our argument, but I haven't figgered out how to do that.
~ Boyd
There is not one place I go out to eat that is a "bar" in any sense, yes - they may have a bar that sells liquor, but the establishment is a restaurant through and through.
My favorite place to eat has a license to sell alcohol, but they have no "bar" area at all, they only serve wine. So, I don't see how it is a "bar" in any liberal sense of thinking.