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    KINGSTON, Jamaica – Ships from Miami steam into Jamaica's main harbor loaded with TV sets and blue jeans. But some of the most popular U.S. imports never appear on the manifests: handguns, rifles and bullets that stoke one of the world's highest murder rates.

    The volume is much less than the flow of U.S. guns into Mexico that end up in the hands of drug cartels — Jamaican authorities recover fewer than 1,000 firearms a year. But of those whose origin can be traced, 80 percent come from the U.S., Jamaican law enforcement officials have said in interviews with The Associated Press.

    And as the Obama administration cracks down on smuggling into Mexico, Jamaicans fear even more firearms will reach the gangs whose turf wars plague the island of 2.8 million people.

    "It's going to push a lot of that trade back toward the Caribbean like it was back in the '80s," said Vance Callender, an attache at the U.S. Embassy in Kingston for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

    U.S. authorities are beginning to target the Jamaican gun-smuggling network as part of a broad effort to boost security in the Caribbean.

    But they have a long way to go. Jamaican authorities have confiscated only 100 guns coming into ports in the last five years, along with 6,000 rounds of ammunition. That in turn is just a fraction of the 700 or so weapons confiscated on the streets each year.

    Authorities know they're only seeing "the tip of the iceberg," said Mark Shields, Jamaica's deputy police commissioner.

    With arsenals to rival police firepower, the gangs are blamed for 90 percent of the homicides in Jamaica — 1,611 last year, about 10 times more than the U.S. rate, relative to population.

    Unlike in Mexico, the vast majority of Jamaican guns seized are submitted for tracing. Jamaica and the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives find most of the seized weapons come from three Florida counties — Orange, Dade and Broward — all with large Jamaican populations, according to Shields.

    X-ray scanners were installed two years ago at Jamaican ports, but the gangs use bribery and intimidation to get their shipments past inspectors.

    In April, a newly hired customs supervisor had his tires slashed and days later was shot at on his way home from work, authorities say. The man was known for his strict scrutiny of cargo coming into a gang-infiltrated warehouse on the Kingston wharf.

    When the gangs apply pressure, "no one says no," said Danville Walker, Jamaica's commissioner of customs.

    "It's a massive problem," said Leslie Green, a Jamaican assistant police commissioner. "There aren't any checks or any controls on goods leaving the United States. Yet anything leaving here, we have to make sure it's double-checked and tripled-checked for drugs."

    This complaint — that Americans care only what comes in, not what goes out — echoes that of Mexican authorities, who say cars going from the U.S. into Mexico aren't searched for weapons or cash.

    Now hundreds of agents are participating in a $95 million outbound inspection program, stopping suspicious-looking cars and trucks as they cross the border into Mexico. Authorities don't know how many firearms get through, but more than 12,000 guns used in crimes in Mexico last year were sent to U.S. authorities for tracing, a number that grows as more agencies in Mexico are trained to submit traces.

    The U.S. and Jamaica both prohibit the unlicensed transport of guns. But like Mexican smugglers, Jamaican ones depend on lax U.S. gun laws, corrupt customs inspectors and front men acting as buyers.

    Florida gun laws make it relatively easy to buy a legal firearm, and much of the smuggling is done by family and friends, said Shields, the Jamaican police official.

    The guns are concealed in container loads of blue plastic and cardboard barrels, the kind Jamaicans use to send household goods to their families on the island.
    Some shipping companies advertise a no-questions-asked policy in soliciting customers, said Walker, the customs commissioner. He declined to single out individual companies.
    In one of the few Jamaican gun-smuggling cases prosecuted in the U.S., Tawanna Banton, 36, of Florida was convicted of buying a Glock handgun later used in the gang killings of four island police officers. She said her Jamaican boyfriend arranged the purchase, and she was paid $15,000 to buy the handgun and a .50 caliber "Grizzly" rifle with a tripod mount, according to court documents.
    She told ATF agents the guns were then hidden inside kitchen appliances and driven to Miami for shipment to Kingston.
    Banton pleaded guilty to making false statements to the gun dealer in 2006 and served a month in prison.
    Besides coming in on freighters, authorities say, guns are stolen or purchased from crooked police or in "guns-for-ganja" deals by fishermen, who bring homegrown marijuana to nearby Haiti and return with pistols, revolvers and submachine guns — many of them believed to be from the U.S. as well.
    Callender's ICE unit began investigations in Jamaica last year with a focus on guns. He said agents in Miami and New York have been working to "interject themselves" into the shipping networks. Indictments are imminent in two or three cases involving suspected Jamaican traffickers inside the U.S., he said, without elaborating.
    Then there's the $45 million Caribbean Basin Security Initiative on regional security, announced by U.S. President Barack Obama in April, which is designed to help the islands counter any spillover of violence from Mexico.
    Meanwhile, at the ports, Jamaican customs officials are training more spotters to patrol the warehouses, including five in Kingston who process an average of 10 shipping containers daily.
    But inspectors feel the odds are still stacked against them.
    "The guys we're up against, they have time, they have money, and they are very resourceful," said Andrew Lamb, a supervisor with Jamaica customs' Contraband Enforcement Team. "They're pretty good at what they do."
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    stopping suspicious-looking cars and trucks as they cross the border into Mexico
    I wonder how a car or truck can look suspicious. Do cars now sport shady looking criminal paint job attire, or needle track marks on car doors? Or, is this a euphemism for random searches?


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    that is just more of the Obama administration shoveling the same old trash...except now it is how the 2nd Amendment is fueling gang wars in Jamaica...



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    The volume is much less than the flow of U.S. guns into Mexico that end up in the hands of drug cartels — Jamaican authorities recover fewer than 1,000 firearms a year. But of those whose origin can be traced, 80 percent come from the U.S., Jamaican law enforcement officials have said in interviews with The Associated Press.
    Well they got a lot of mileage out of this deception with the Mexican gun smuggling report, I guess they thought they could use it here too!

    As with the Mexican reports, they never get around to saying exactly what percentage of all guns "can be traced", and they never say that the only reason these guns trace to the US is because we're the only ones who keep good records!

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    TFred wrote:
    The volume is much less than the flow of U.S. guns into Mexico that end up in the hands of drug cartels — Jamaican authorities recover fewer than 1,000 firearms a year. But of those whose origin can be traced, 80 percent come from the U.S., Jamaican law enforcement officials have said in interviews with The Associated Press.
    Well they got a lot of mileage out of this deception with the Mexican gun smuggling report, I guess they thought they could use it here too!

    As with the Mexican reports, they never get around to saying exactly what percentage of all guns "can be traced", and they never say that the only reason these guns trace to the US is because we're the only ones who keep good records!

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    Statesman wrote:
    stopping suspicious-looking cars and trucks as they cross the border into Mexico
    I wonder how a car or truck can look suspicious. Do cars now sport shady looking criminal paint job attire, or needle track marks on car doors? Or, is this a euphemism for random searches?
    Those ones with the fake bullet holes always look suspicious to me. Stop-'em all. :celebrate
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    Yezzir. I believe it. Dey don' lie! Not da gubment!

    Hey! I think the gubment has some ocean front property for sale here in Ky.

    Yezzir. I believe it.

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    I take it that Jamaica forbids gun ownership by its citizens.

    I think it's time to have a new hunting season in Jamaica, on gangsters. Full year round season with no bag limit.

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    TFred wrote:
    The volume is much less than the flow of U.S. guns into Mexico that end up in the hands of drug cartels — Jamaican authorities recover fewer than 1,000 firearms a year. But of those whose origin can be traced, 80 percent come from the U.S., Jamaican law enforcement officials have said in interviews with The Associated Press.
    Well they got a lot of mileage out of this deception with the Mexican gun smuggling report, I guess they thought they could use it here too!

    As with the Mexican reports, they never get around to saying exactly what percentage of all guns "can be traced", and they never say that the only reason these guns trace to the US is because we're the only ones who keep good records!

    TFred
    Solid point sir!

    It's probably really hard to trace guns that have no serial numbers, markings, or records. So, the purported 'fact' that the 'traceable guns' almost all come from EEUU means nothing... it just means all the others aren't traceable because they are manufactured in untraceable ways.

    Funny, how Mr. Luty's website just disappeared...
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    wrightme wrote:
    Statesman wrote:
    stopping suspicious-looking cars and trucks as they cross the border into Mexico
    I wonder how a car or truck can look suspicious. Do cars now sport shady looking criminal paint job attire, or needle track marks on car doors? Or, is this a euphemism for random searches?
    Those ones with the fake bullet holes always look suspicious to me. Stop-'em all. :celebrate
    Maybe it's the same way the can tell the difference between 'illegal guns' and the regular ones.... Oh, yeah, we still don't know what that is either....
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    Statesman wrote:
    stopping suspicious-looking cars and trucks as they cross the border into Mexico
    I wonder how a car or truck can look suspicious. Do cars now sport shady looking criminal paint job attire, or needle track marks on car doors? Or, is this a euphemism for random searches?
    It's a euphemism for random searches. Anything they want to search will "look suspicious".
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    Banton pleaded guilty to making false statements to the gun dealer in 2006 and served a month in prison

    Sure, the criminals get a month a prison and then they try to usurp the constitution and pass greater infringements of our 2A protected rights. How about we actually have some real punishment for accessories who through his/her own illegal act e.g. a straw purchase, provide the firearm used in a criminal act.
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