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Jerry McBride wrote:
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mark edward marchiafava wrote:
I wish you guys would invest HALF this much time in actually OC'ing.
At the rate you're going, several million Amerikans would have been exposed to OC by now.

It's all a matter of priorities.
They don't want to OC. They want to convince you that you shouldn't. Or, if you do, that you do so where and when they are comfortable and under a duty to respond to questions from cops.
Who are these directed to?
Anyone and everyone here who might disagree with them. In their little world, there is no differing of opinion. No confilct. It's their way, their veiws, their opinion or you'rean enemy who must be silenced. I do find it very amusing that the ones who cry facisim, tryanny,un-American,un-Patrioticand point to dictatorships the most have the least tolerance for individual thought.
 
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Does anyone know if this site utilizes an "ignore" feature?

One more (last) time.
You are NOT an OC'er.
You are NOT someone truly interested in real freedom.
You ARE someone who, deep down inside, craves for oppression.
Don't feel badly. Most Amerikans are just like you.


You REALLY should consider homesteading bayoushooters.com, you'll find yourself more in your element there.
To REMAIN here only proves you're purpose here is to argue, not share time with others like you.
 

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See, when they're cornered or bested,and they can't rebut with a logical answer, they resort to insults and personal attacks,indicative of a position so weak it can no longer withstand furtherdebate. :quirky

Again, I'll close with the argument that no one seems to be able to deny or refute....representing a position poorly accomplishes nothing to further the position or cause. Only be being a GOOD ambassador of that postion will one accomplish his or her goals. No one wants to support a thug who's only motiviation is "look at me" attention. The best way to garner change is to disprove common misconceptions and misunderstandings. You won't change any minds by becoming the object of their ridicule. Only by obtaining their support.

Our platform for many years regarding the RTKBA has been law abiding, peacefull citizens who's only goal is to protect ourselves and those we love. Anytime someone displays a stance contrary to that, sets us back years and gives the anti-groups even more ammunition against us.

I've made my points clear, I see no further point in hashing them out any further by continuing to hold up this thread. Obviously, there are those who won't change. Too bad, their zeal and energy could be so much better used for our cause by projecting it in positive ways as opposed to negative insults.
 

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JeepSeller wrote:
See, when they're cornered or bested,and they can't rebut with a logical answer, they resort to insults and personal attacks,indicative of a position so weak it can no longer withstand furtherdebate. :quirky

Again, I'll close with the argument that no one seems to be able to deny or refute....representing a position poorly accomplishes nothing to further the position or cause. Only be being a GOOD ambassador of that postion will one accomplish his or her goals. No one wants to support a thug who's only motiviation is "look at me" attention. The best way to garner change is to disprove common misconceptions and misunderstandings. You won't change any minds by becoming the object of their ridicule. Only by obtaining their support.

Our platform for many years regarding the RTKBA has been law abiding, peacefull citizens who's only goal is to protect ourselves and those we love. Anytime someone displays a stance contrary to that, sets us back years and gives the anti-groups even more ammunition against us.

I've made my points clear, I see no further point in hashing them out any further by continuing to hold up this thread. Obviously, there are those who won't change. Too bad, their zeal and energy could be so much better used for our cause by projecting it in positive ways as opposed to negative insults.



Ok your talking as if you're the one with all the support here. Not sure why, also I don't agree with your assesment of the discussion. I do however get the feeling that you are avoiding my questions for some reason. Could you NOT talk to Mark for a second?



Dustin wrote:
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How is this any different?
It’s different because carrying a gun is NOT detrimental to anyone’s health. Smoking also cannot be tied to something that will be inherently cohesive with possibly saving your life.

Your trying to connect your RIGHT to defend yourself from death or serious bodily harm, to your right to smoke in a public area?

I’d say your analogy/example fails to collectively prove your point about Private Property.

However I do agree that “PEOPLE” should be able to tell WHOMEVER they want for WHATEVER reason to get the Hell off their property.
When it comes to PUBLIC Business, I think the line becomes blurry though.

Being GAY is not a constitutional right, it’s a way of life.

Defending yourself with a firearm is not only a way of life but it is also a US Constitutional right.

So how can a store owner be able to BAN people who wish to practice their personal and constitutional rights of self defense,



BUT Damn you to hell if you try to put up a sign that says “Gay Free Zone”.



See the point?
I think if you’re willing to do your business to the public than you should be willing to accept EVERYONE who is a legal citizen.
 
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I'm not cornered, definitely not "bested."
What I AM is beyond tired of you posting here.
Again, it would make much more sense (obviously something you're lacking) for you to sign up and homestead bayoushooters.com

They would LOVE to have you, since you, obviously, share their views which are in contradiction to real freedom. Like most NRA (negotiate rights away) lifetime members, what you really want is to compromise away MY rights. You'd much rather be pleasant, that "go along to get along" mentality, than actually defend any rights.

Bye !!!
 

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Dustin, you're right, I'm purposely avoiding that other thread. I'm done with it and based on your statements, you obviously do notvalue the lives of current men and women who've given their all in the service of this country, so, therefore I'm done with you.

As a medic, I've had to kneel there and watch a grown man beg for me tosave him when there was nothing I could do. I've watched primal fear in the eyes of man turn to acceptance and peace as the life went from their eyes.

I'm proud of the lives I did save. I'm proud of the service I provided. I will not sit by here and accept you or anyone here insulting that pride. Since I can't obviously change your mind, I chose to ingore it. That is a fight that I will not be baited into.

Good day sir.
 

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Does anyone know if this site utilizes an "ignore" feature?

One more (last) time.
You are NOT an OC'er.
You are NOT someone truly interested in real freedom.
You ARE someone who, deep down inside, craves for oppression.
Don't feel badly. Most Amerikans are just like you.


You REALLY should consider homesteading bayoushooters.com, you'll find yourself more in your element there.
To REMAIN here only proves you're purpose here is to argue, not share time with others like you.
Here's what he said on his own board: "A few years ago, I was convinced that concealed carry was something that was unnecessary for the "common man". That only those who were in a "need" of it should do so...security, cops, couriers, etc...I'd have never stood in the way of anyone else to exert that right, but, I didn't see the point in it myself."

This guy is a fence-sitter, at best. He's on gun boards looking for interaction. He's really trying hard to prove his loyalty to the board he found in January. He doesn't contribute anything of substance on his own board, either. He talks at the edge of the issues, always an ancillary matter, crowbarring his way into a discussion, always talking about how people feel about the issue, but he never gets in the middle of the mess to state his case. He'll join your group, but he won't lead it. I don't think there's much depth to him.

He'll chit-chat. If the topic is about anything besides guns, he'll have an empty sort of pleasant discussion, at length, but you'll come away with nothing from it. He's like a human chat-bot.

To meet him personally, you'd probably find him nice enough. When pressed for a position, he hides behind an some form of this empty defence: "everyone should respect everyone else's opinion." The difficulty is that he doesn't have much of an opinion, and since his opinion is that all opinions are to be given equal space, he views with disfavor any opinion that crowd out any other opinion. He's a reflexive banner. If the temperature gets too hot, he wants the challenger gone. "No person, no problem," as Stalin put it.

Is he dangerous? I don't know. He's plenty bitter and angry, but he directs this bitterness and anger into an odd justification of the very system that has caused him such bitterness and anger. It's as if the only weakness of the status quo is that we don't have a stronger version of it. Would he call the cops on an OC'er in Florida? Absolutely. Would he call the cops on a guy whose concealed gun became unconcealed through activity or inattention? Absolutely, and he'd call it "just a learning experience."

He has a public-school, socialistic, view of the world. Certain topics are absolutely off-limits, just because they are, and discussion on the wrong side of such a topic renders the commentator a pariah and the argument forfeit. For example, he doesn't have to prove that cops are good, pure and true and not thugs. He relies on a ground rule that states such, and anyone on the other side of that issue must be banned; ergo, with no arguments to the contrary, it's evident that cops are good, pure and true and not thugs. It's a horrendous intellectual cop-out, but Amerikans have been doing it reflexively for 60 years, now, and they're always looking for the teacher to define the discussion, control the classroom and save them from their scrapes.

You can rest assured, Mark, that on the Great Day, he won't be with us...until we get control, at which point, he'll be with us, demanding that those against us be banned for criticizing us. He's a perfect Hobbesian.
 

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Smoking-something...if you're going to strawman argue using my words, know I'll go back and get the whole thing...you should know better than to take my words out of context and try to use them against me by now....shame on you..

Here's the WHOLE thing I said...that smokingsomething conviniently edited out..


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I actually enjoy a heated debate. I think most do. But, it's far from a "debate" when one or both parties refuse to open their mind to the simple fact that not all feel the way they do. I think it's how we learn. It's been my belief for many years that it's impossible to completely understand the world around you unless you open your mind and grasp the concept that it is possible to be wrong, regardless of how strongly you feel about any given subject. We can't learn a darn thing unless we open our mind, a closed door is a dead room in my opinion..
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A few years ago, I was convinced that concealed carry was something that was unnecessary for the "common man". That only those who were in a "need" of it should do so...security, cops, couriers, etc...I'd have never stood in the way of anyone else to exert that right, but, I didn't see the point in it myself.

After a scary event my wife and I had in Denver, I learned I was wrong.

I thank God every day that I wasn't so closed minded, stubborn, stupid, and stuck in my ways so much that I couldn't realize I was wrong. While I hope to never be in that kind of scary situation again, should it happen again, it's my hope that I'll be better prepared with training, tools, and knowlage. If I were so closed minded, and should it happen again, I'd be stuck relying on luck once more and that just won't do.
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Try again.....your motives are showing...:quirky
 

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JeepSeller wrote:
Dustin, you're right, I'm purposely avoiding that other thread. I'm done with it and based on your statements, you obviously do notvalue the lives of current men and women who've given their all in the service of this country, so, therefore I'm done with you.

As a medic, I've had to kneel there and watch a grown man beg for me tosave him when there was nothing I could do. I've watched primal fear in the eyes of man turn to acceptance and peace as the life went from their eyes.

I'm proud of the lives I did save. I'm proud of the service I provided. I will not sit by here and accept you or anyone here insulting that pride. Since I can't obviously change your mind, I chose to ingore it. That is a fight that I will not be baited into.

Good day sir.




You don't have an answer to my question, so your done? Is that what your saying?
You completely refuse to defend your soapbox rant.


BTW I served in both current Wars. Iraq and Afghanistan and wear my C.A.R. with a gold star in remembrance of those days. I'm an 0351 USMC Grunt, and I've lost 17 brothers overseas. Most of which I watched hot lead rip through their bodies, or IED's blow them apart. I've held those hands your talking about, bloody and trembling asking me to help as if I contained the power to do anything more than apply pressure or their own clot powder. So please spare me your holier than thou attitude. I've been there and done that and I have the internal and external scars to prove it.


But you see, I accept the fact that these current wars aren't about America. It's about the US Government. Maybe your to young, or immature or maybe you just out right don't have the history intelligence to comprehend that for the past 100 years the government has indeed put young men and women in harms way for MONEY ! It's always been about the money.


Do good things come out of it, sure they do IMO. Of course Mark thinks different, but what does he know, he wasn't there.


I know for a fact that we indeed liberated the city of Fallujah in 04' to 05'. We flushed that city clean from terrorist insurgents who were literally cutting the hands off of those who oppose them, while raping their daughters, sons and wives before cutting their heads off. Hell that shit never made the news. I can't even describe what a house looks like after something like that has happen in it.


NO PERSON on the planet deserves that kind of treatment, so you’re damn right I didn't mind killing those bastards at all.

But we weren't brain washed into thinking we were there for OUR OWN country. We knew fair well we were there to rid Fallujah of Muslim extremist. Nothing more, nothing less.


So yes I DO honor our fallen men and women, as well as my family members, but I am not proud.


I give/gave it all to God, as if He wasn't already in control. "I" didn't do anything that He didn't give me the strength to do. So no I don't take PRIDE in anything.


"Pride" is mentioned 46 times in the King James Bible. "Proud" is mentioned 47 times. "Haughty" is mentioned 10 times. A meticulous study of each time these words appear will lead to only one conclusion: They are never spoken of positively, only as sin and evil. Never is it suggested or implied that pride in any form is a virtue.


Philippians 4:13
13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.


Philippians 1:21
21For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.


Proverbs 29:23
23 A man’s pride will bring him low,
But the humble in spirit will retain honor.


That's what I lived by while over there, so did most others.


Maybe next time you shouldn't assume so much, and just answer the freaking question already:DI was definitely being polite. :)
 

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I just see it different than you. And that's ok. But, here's the deal. The way I see it, I answered the call to serve this great country. I PROUDLY wore the uniform that represents the finest this country has to offer and is recognized all around the world as a symbol of America's strength. I look on "some" of my time in uniform as the best days of my life. I made friends that I know I can always count on..even when they live 5000 miles away.


Did I see and do things over there I'd rather not remember? You bet!I have to live with the nightmares ofliterallyscooping up chunks of what used to be a buddy and placing them into a bag so their family will at least have something to bury. Most people, fortunately, will never know the stench that comes from our guts when exposed to the air. Speaking of stench, there is no explaining the funk coming from a closed room full of guys who've humped in that heat, that sand, that grime, that filth without so much as a clean pair of shorts, much less anything resembling a shower for WEEKS. I'll never forget the stress and anxiety of knowing that every rock, every pile of sand, every piece of debris you pass within 5 meters could explode without warning killing and or maiming you and your brothers. Even a warm night here in Florida now reminds me of wearing flak gear to bed in well over 100 degrees F out of fear of an attack on camp. Just knowing that every native you see, probably hates you with the utmost hatred and may very well be hiding avest made of something other than camelhair, and includes a battery and a trigger,or even the kids who walk up begging for candy only to produce a rock to throw at you the next.

So, am I a little sensitive about anything, that even resembles disrespectful speech regarding sacrifice for this country...YOU BET!

I was asked to do a job and I did it because I believe in this country. Were we justified to be over there? No, of course not. But, I did my job and I did it well.

I can take pride in my country and still dislike it's imprefections. I don't have to hate it to want change.

That my friends is the difference between some of us here. I chose not to live my life filled with hate and bitterness. I love the things I love,try to change the things I can, and accept those that I can't change. Having stared death squarely in the face, I can vouch for life being just too damn short to live it miserable and bitter all the time. If some folks here would just learn to take a little joy and pride in something instead of putting so much energy into hate....I'd bet they'd be suprised how much brighter their life would become.
 

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Now, we've monopolized the OP's thread long enough. And I take some of the blame.

We're all obviously never going to agree on the subjects at hand. I prefer to be an ambassador to our cause, some choose to bring it down. Nothing I can do about that but hope thier actions are counterbalanced by the actions of a larger collective of people who take this seriously and really want to see change as opposed to simply trying toget attention through insults, personal attacks, and schemes.
 

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Well, I will say that it's definitely interesting how the conversation took a turn in almost a completely different direction. But anyways, I figured I'd let y'all know what I've done. I never called, I only had the chance to send an email Monday night. I did receive a call this morning from corporate regarding my email. Apparently, it was mostly because she couldn't read all of it for whatever reason. Like, it has cut off or something. Anyways, I explained to her that I was wondering what the corporate policy was concerning my openly carrying of a pistol on my hip. She said that I was right in my thinking. They did have the right to ask that I leave though if someone mentions being or feeling threatened. But other than that, it was fine and dandy that I carry. She asked if I had any other concerns or questions. I asked if it were possible to get some sort of written letter faxed stating such for if I ever end up shopping over in that direction again. She said that they will be having a meeting with the different stores explaining that it is alright for customers to come in openly armed.

All in all, I think good results are had. I do still welcome comments and critiques.
 

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Well, I will say that it's definitely interesting how the conversation took a turn in almost a completely different direction. But anyways, I figured I'd let y'all know what I've done. I never called, I only had the chance to send an email Monday night. I did receive a call this morning from corporate regarding my email. Apparently, it was mostly because she couldn't read all of it for whatever reason. Like, it has cut off or something. Anyways, I explained to her that I was wondering what the corporate policy was concerning my openly carrying of a pistol on my hip. She said that I was right in my thinking. They did have the right to ask that I leave though if someone mentions being or feeling threatened. But other than that, it was fine and dandy that I carry. She asked if I had any other concerns or questions. I asked if it were possible to get some sort of written letter faxed stating such for if I ever end up shopping over in that direction again. She said that they will be having a meeting with the different stores explaining that it is alright for customers to come in openly armed.

All in all, I think good results are had. I do still welcome comments and critiques.
Glad you got to talk to someone. Seems like most gun owners at least the ones that carry had heard of the Walmart rule but seems like the Walmart managers haven't, or think it's their store.
 

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charlie12 wrote:
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Well, I will say that it's definitely interesting how the conversation took a turn in almost a completely different direction. But anyways, I figured I'd let y'all know what I've done. I never called, I only had the chance to send an email Monday night. I did receive a call this morning from corporate regarding my email. Apparently, it was mostly because she couldn't read all of it for whatever reason. Like, it has cut off or something. Anyways, I explained to her that I was wondering what the corporate policy was concerning my openly carrying of a pistol on my hip. She said that I was right in my thinking. They did have the right to ask that I leave though if someone mentions being or feeling threatened. But other than that, it was fine and dandy that I carry. She asked if I had any other concerns or questions. I asked if it were possible to get some sort of written letter faxed stating such for if I ever end up shopping over in that direction again. She said that they will be having a meeting with the different stores explaining that it is alright for customers to come in openly armed.

All in all, I think good results are had. I do still welcome comments and critiques.
Glad you got to talk to someone. Seems like most gun owners at least the ones that carry had heard of the Walmart rule but seems like the Walmart managers haven't, or think it's their store.
Of course, that statement of policy does, rightly, reserve their right to ask someone to leave. What is unfortunate is that they say they might ask an OCer to leave if someone feels threatened. While that is their right, I hope that we can show the general public that there is no reason to feel threatened by an OCer just going about their business.
 

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XD-GEM wrote:
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whoopingllama wrote:
Well, I will say that it's definitely interesting how the conversation took a turn in almost a completely different direction. But anyways, I figured I'd let y'all know what I've done. I never called, I only had the chance to send an email Monday night. I did receive a call this morning from corporate regarding my email. Apparently, it was mostly because she couldn't read all of it for whatever reason. Like, it has cut off or something. Anyways, I explained to her that I was wondering what the corporate policy was concerning my openly carrying of a pistol on my hip. She said that I was right in my thinking. They did have the right to ask that I leave though if someone mentions being or feeling threatened. But other than that, it was fine and dandy that I carry. She asked if I had any other concerns or questions. I asked if it were possible to get some sort of written letter faxed stating such for if I ever end up shopping over in that direction again. She said that they will be having a meeting with the different stores explaining that it is alright for customers to come in openly armed.

All in all, I think good results are had. I do still welcome comments and critiques.
Glad you got to talk to someone. Seems like most gun owners at least the ones that carry had heard of the Walmart rule but seems like the Walmart managers haven't, or think it's their store.
Of course, that statement of policy does, rightly, reserve their right to ask someone to leave. What is unfortunate is that they say they might ask an OCer to leave if someone feels threatened. While that is their right, I hope that we can show the general public that there is no reason to feel threatened by an OCer just going about their business.
And therein is is the ultimate goal. The problem is that many on here have techniques and personalities that create the exact opposite image for us all. They infact create a negative image, as we have already had one neutral person testify to on here in person.
 

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Of course, that statement of policy does, rightly, reserve their right to ask someone to leave. What is unfortunate is that they say they might ask an OCer to leave if someone feels threatened. While that is their right, I hope that we can show the general public that there is no reason to feel threatened by an OCer just going about their business.
And therein is is the ultimate goal. The problem is that many on here have techniques and personalities that create the exact opposite image for us all. They infact create a negative image, as we have already had one neutral person testify to on here in person.
So how does one "just go about his business" with any particular "technique or personality"?

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHHHHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's gettin' deep, people.

They only see an OC'er's personality when they open their yaps. Keep the stupid hole shut around an OC'er, and they don't have to feel the sting of an OC'er's intellect, exposing the stupidity in talking about matters that are of no concern to anyone but the OC'er.

The simple fact of the matter is that some people find OC objectionable and look for flimsy excuses to try to curtail it.

Let's not be a nation of meddlers and busybodies. Let's tend to our own yards.
 

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They only see an OC'er's personality when they open their yaps. Keep the stupid hole shut around an OC'er, and they don't have to feel the sting of an OC'er's intellect, exposing the stupidity in talking about matters that are of no concern to anyone but the OC'er.



I really wish you would stop speaking as if you speak for us all.

Assuredly NOT all of us here think like you do, so lumping us together with your own personal thoughts incorrectly defines what we are about here at OCDO.


OCDO get's alot more publicity than you realize, I can't imagine what they could do with some of your post.

:?
 

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OCDO get's alot more publicity than you realize, I can't imagine what they could do with some of your post.
Just who is this "they" about which you paranoid types persistently fret? Further, why are you scared of "them?"
 

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OCDO get's alot more publicity than you realize, I can't imagine what they could do with some of your post.
Just who is this "they" about which you paranoid types persistently fret? Further, why are you scared of "them?"
You calling someone paranoid? :what:

that is the proverbial pot calling the kettle an african cooking device.

You think every cop is a facist out to get you, yet you accuse him of making a statement of otherwise obvious intent to anyone not smoking whatever you are.

Amazing. You are without a doubt a troll with nothing better to do than cause trouble.

Again, why are you not in the Fl forum where you belong?






****insert*** smartass thesaurus laden response that has no bearing on the question asked from smokingcrack24/7"*****
 

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OCDO get's alot more publicity than you realize, I can't imagine what they could do with some of your post.
Just who is this "they" about which you paranoid types persistently fret? Further, why are you scared of "them?"
You think every cop is a facist out to get you,
Sniff. Sniff. Yep, it can only be...
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