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    OK here goes,

    Without ******* any one off, the name of this forum is Open Carry. Not Screw with some one for their take on the subject. If I want to hear bickering and adolescent name calling I can call my kids.

    I am recently back after an absence and have been astonished by all the name calling as well as basic fighting going on. If the practice of open carry isn't for you, by all means leave. There are forums all over the web for any intrest, hobby or passion.

    This forum has until lately been an excellent source of information as well as a place to vent when my rights have been trampled. A place where free citizens of the same belief can find santuary if you will. I am sure I am not the only member of this mind. Many members have much to offer in the way of advice legal and otherwise, why make it a place of sarcism and stone throwing? Do we not get enough of that everywhere ealse for our beliefs? If you are a CC advocate, a cat lover , whatever find YOUR FORUM................THIS IS OPEN CARRY......................................

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    Agrees with Dan 100%

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    This forum is one of the least moderated--i.e., freest--forums on the web. Freedom is messy. If you don't like it, confine yourself to forums where the moderators enforce many rules.

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    Thank you very much, like you said it used to be fun and educational to come here but this last week hasn't been to good around here. Good post their captain Dan.

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    CaptainDan wrote:
    This forum has until lately been an excellent source of information as well as a place to vent when my rights have been trampled. A place where free citizens of the same belief can find santuary if you will. I am sure I am not the only member of this mind. Many members have much to offer in the way of advice legal and otherwise, why make it a place of sarcism and stone throwing? Do we not get enough of that everywhere ealse for our beliefs? If you are a CC advocate, a cat lover , whatever find YOUR FORUM................THIS IS OPEN CARRY......................................

    Fire Away

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    Flyer22 wrote:
    This forum is one of the least moderated--i.e., freest--forums on the web. Freedom is messy. If you don't like it, confine yourself to forums where the moderators enforce many rules.
    It doesn't have to be this messy. Personally, I'd like to see some more moderation around here. It doesn't have to be as strict as some other forums, but there's got to be something better than the free for all we've got now. This isn't supposed to be a completely free forum. It's supposed to be about OC, not everything that pops into your skull. And just because you can come up with some tenuous connection doesn't mean it's actually OC related. Any subject at all can be related to OC if you try hard enough.

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    Ok, I was going to start a new topic and post this Friday, but I had "pressing" matters that did not permit me to do so. I too came back after being out of town working. I was taken aback by the amount of name calling. I started doing some research, (sorry it is just my nature). I found that Mark was being targeted specifically and open carry on a lesser level. I also found the following.

    Derf JOINED 6/13/09

    ROFLMAO (interesting choice) Logged as guest only.

    KDick3 JOINED 6/18/09

    LSUShawn JOINED 6/13/09

    BayouBocephus JOINED 6/13/09

    Seems like a truly concerted, organized effort against you Mark.

    For those that do not know, you can click the username and see the posts all in line. Nothing I read from either of these above were anything other than a direct attack of Mark or Open Carry. They even drummed up Months old topics to take their stab.

    To bad we do not have ignore option.

    I would like to suggest that moderators block members, but that could be counter-productive. Just know that there is often a reason we see things.



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    Syntax Error wrote:
    Ok, I was going to start a new topic and post this Friday, but I had "pressing" matters that did not permit me to do so. I too came back after being out of town working. I was taken aback by the amount of name calling. I started doing some research, (sorry it is just my nature). I found that Mark was being targeted specifically and open carry on a lesser level. I also found the following.

    Derf JOINED 6/13/09

    ROFLMAO (interesting choice) Logged as guest only.

    KDick3 JOINED 6/18/09

    LSUShawn JOINED 6/13/09

    BayouBocephus JOINED 6/13/09

    Seems like a truly concerted, organized effort against you Mark.

    For those that do not know, you can click the username and see the posts all in line. Nothing I read from either of these above were anything other than a direct attack of Mark or Open Carry. They even drummed up Months old topics to take their stab.

    To bad we do not have ignore option.

    I would like to suggest that moderators block members, but that could be counter-productive. Just know that there is often a reason we see things.



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    Absolutely, he is being targeted.

    Check out the registration and posting history of JeepSeller, and the registrations of Glock23-4-Me and oneinthepipe. These people came here to target me and pollute the florida Forum immediately after my victory on Florida gun rights.

    If you start making a stand for Liberty, and dare to win, look for the authoritarians and anti-gunners to come running.

    Friends, we have strangers in our house.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Wonder how many of them are LEO's/ LEO wannabes?
    Ewww, you really think so? Gross.

    One thing's for sure: they don't like someone bringing OC to the forefront of attention. OH, I guess I could take one of their suggestions: OC at home where it won't offend anyone.
    I had a friend tell me that he finds gun owners to be the people who are the worst haters of freedom. I tell him guns are all about freedom, and he says: "No. you want them [gun owners] to be, because you are [all about freedom], but they [gun owners] aren't." He tells me that I'd find a much greater freedom-loving crowd if I "got away from those people."

    He's right, of course, and that's sad.

    I still haven't completely resolved why there are so many cop-lovers in the gun-owning ranks. Seems like a colossal case of cognitive dissonance.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    But he made it quite clear: "I don't want to walk into WalMart and see everyone wearing a gun."
    Well, let's settle this. Is there anyone who doesn't want to see everyone wearing a gun in walmart?

    I don't mind. Mark doesn't mind.

    This question really determines whether you belong here.

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    smoking357 wrote:
    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    But he made it quite clear: "I don't want to walk into WalMart and see everyone wearing a gun."
    Well, let's settle this. Is there anyone who doesn't want to see everyone wearing a gun in walmart?

    I don't mind. Mark doesn't mind.

    This question really determines whether you belong here.
    I don't want to see "everyone" in WalMart carrying a gun. I want to see anyone who wishes to carry a gun in WalMart allowed to carry in WalMart.

    As it is corporate policy to obey the state laws, I see no reason for any WalMart to deny law abiding citizens from carrying a gun.

    Whether it be WalMart, when picking up the kids from school, at the town hall meetings, in the barber shop, at church, at dinner whilehaving a nice "chianti", anywhere, and everywhere.

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    Decoligny wrote:

    I don't want to see "everyone" in WalMart carrying a gun. I want to see anyone who wishes to carry a gun in WalMart allowed to carry in WalMart.

    As it is corporate policy to obey the state laws, I see no reason for any WalMart to deny law abiding citizens from carrying a gun.
    Exactly. And if a representative of WalMart violates that corporate policy, the beef is not with LE, but, with WalMart itself, more specifically, that representative of WalMart who failed to comply with corporate policy. LE is simply honoring the request of a property owner and/or it's representative. It's not their place to know corporate policy. Only the laws regarding property rights.

    The so called "beef" some of us have with recent topics is not WalMart or carrying in a WM..but, the offensive attitude toward LE for simply protecting property rights.

    I wish we could all carry when ever, where ever, and how ever we choose. But, currently that is not the case and I stand my ground that the way to accomplish change is by being a good representation of gun owners and not a poor one.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Yes, the beef IS with the LEO.
    Whether he's violating people on behalf of his statist handlers or Walmart, it's HIS responsibility to know right from wrong.
    Quit making excuses for the LEO community's misbehavior.
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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Yes, the beef IS with the LEO.
    Whether he's violating people on behalf of his statist handlers or Walmart, it's HIS responsibility to know right from wrong.
    Quit making excuses for the LEO community's misbehavior.
    I will no longer participate in any inflamatorydiscussions regarding LEO's. THat's against the rules of this forum and has no value. You hate them. That's your right. But, it doesn't mean you ARE right.

    Make some logical valuable contributions to the discussion instead.

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    You know, for people who CLAIM to be patriots...some here seem awfully bent on hollow comparisons between America and other countrys/dictators/governments.

    I guess I wonder how someone who obviously hates America so much can really be a patriot. :quirky

    Seriously, a direct question to Smoking and Mark....

    Is there ANYTHING you actually like about your country? Anything that gives you PRIDE!

    Just wondering....

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    So, any good OC stories lately?

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    That's your right to your own values and beliefs, and I'd support your's and anyone else's..*yea,..even smoking's* right to the death. I fought for this country once. I'd do it again in a heartbeat!

    But, I for one LOVE my country. I love everything about it. We have more freedoms, opportunities, and beauty than any other part of the world I've visited.

    Are we perfect, by no means. But, we are America, and I love it.

    My stance all along has been that if that imperfection is to be changed, it cannot be accompished by being a poor representation of your views, but, a good one. Unfortunately, one of the impferfections of this country is that the ones who make the laws, are more swayed by public perception or political agendas than right vs. wrong. The better way to enact change on the upper levels is to sway the public and political views... making an @$$ out of yourself publicly only gives those who wish to hinder us further more ammuniton against us.

    Don't be part of the problem...that's what irritates me and offends me considering what I've given up for this country and until you've sacrificed what I've sacrificed for your freedoms and this country, you'll win no patriot points in my book by spewing hate rhetoric against this country. I give you the right to say it, but, don't expect me to like it or support it.

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    Johnny_B wrote:
    So, any good OC stories lately?
    Patience. Good seeds yield good crops. Where you end up depends on where you start. Mark's busy opposing evil, laying the seeds for a bountiful feast of Liberty.

    He knows what he's doing. It's wonderful to behold.

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    JeepSeller wrote:
    (1) I fought for this country once.
    (2) considering what I've given up for this country and until you've sacrificed what I've sacrificed for your freedoms and this country
    The American Revolutionary War (1775–1783)

    The American Civil War (1861–1865)

    1812-1815 War of 1812 United States vs. Great Britain
    1846-1848 Mexican War United States vs. Mexico
    1898 Spanish-American War United States vs. Spain

    Did you fight in one of these wars, because these wars are the ones that secured my freedoms that you speak of, that YOU supposedly allow me to have?


    1: When?

    2: Sacrificed for this country, or forthe USGovernment?





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    I thought you were ignoring me smoking....guess that didn't take long, huh?

    Since you're not ignoring me anymore...would you mind answering the direct question yourself?

    I light of all our anti-American, hate rhetoric...is there anything you actually LIKE about being an American? Anything that gives you a sense of PRIDE being an American?

    Like I say, just wondering. I expected an answer to a direct question from Mark, at least he's willling to have a logical discussion....we don't have to agree.

    But, I fully don't expect to see an answer from you who never has answered a direct question with a direct answer sans all the games.

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    Dustin, are you trying to imply that no man or woman who's served this country in recent years did not fight for their country? Are you trying to imply that they're sacrifice, is any less valuable. Are you SERIOUSLY going to try to imply that the men and women who've given their lives in more recent events are any less valuable to you than those given years ago? That their sacrifice is somehow less?

    Seriously...If you're going to be THAT offensive and that insulting..I'm done with this one....you're worse than Smoking357.

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    JeepSeller wrote:
    Dustin, are you trying to imply that no man or woman who's served this country in recent years did not fight for their country? Are you trying to imply that they're sacrifice, is any less valuable. Are you SERIOUSLY going to try to imply that the men and women who've given their lives in more recent events are any less valuable to you than those given years ago? That their sacrifice is somehow less?

    Seriously...If you're going to be THAT offensive and that insulting..I'm done with this one....you're worse than Smoking357.
    You answered my question, with questions? Do you not have an answer?

    Then I'll answer your questions. There's more to me than your aware of right now, relax some and answer the questions?

    This way we don't have to assume

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    Dustin wrote:
    JeepSeller wrote:
    Dustin, are you trying to imply that no man or woman who's served this country in recent years did not fight for their country? Are you trying to imply that they're sacrifice, is any less valuable. Are you SERIOUSLY going to try to imply that the men and women who've given their lives in more recent events are any less valuable to you than those given years ago? That their sacrifice is somehow less?

    Seriously...If you're going to be THAT offensive and that insulting..I'm done with this one....you're worse than Smoking357.
    You answered my question, with questions? Do you not have an answer?

    Then I'll answer your questions. There's more to me than your aware of right now, relax some and answer the questions?

    This way we don't have to assume
    cricket...cricket...criket...



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    mark edward marchiafava wrote
    My wife is sitting here on crutches, doesn't have the money for MRI's and surgery,
    Wow. I guess that means the "Freedom Bike" is up for sale huh?

    Cuz there ain't a damn thing I own I wouldn't sacrifice for my wife's sake in circumstances like you discribe.
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    Him: "I carry my gun concealed"
    Me: "You're not very good at it"
    Him: "What do you mean?"
    Me: "I know you have a gun"
    End of conversation.

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    turbodog wrote:
    mark edward marchiafava wrote
    My wife is sitting here on crutches, doesn't have the money for MRI's and surgery,
    Wow. I guess that means the "Freedom Bike" is up for sale huh?

    Cuz there ain't a damn thing I own I wouldn't sacrifice for my wife's sake in circumstances like you discribe.
    Of course, for 12,000 ounces of gold.

    One of the highest shrines in New America will be the Freedom Bike Shrine.

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