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    So, I finally got a response from the Bavarian Inn here in Frankenmuth after they asked me to cover up and told me I couldn't even carry concealed in there. I had to send them another message, but I finally got a response, and from their President too... it's not good news.

    I'm responding right now, just to point some things out. I really suggest nobody goes to ANY of the places they own (Bavarian Inn Restauraunt, Inn, shops, etc...)


    Dear Nathan Nephew,

    Thank you for your email on our policy on legal firearms. I have been associated with firearms all of my life, from a young boy with hunting, target practice and for varmint control on the farm. I have continued hunting through the past 60 years to this day. While serving in the Army during the Vietnam war era, I had hours of weapon training. I have a good understanding of your and my 2nd amendment rights.

    As a private business owner, we also have our rights and responsibilities. Most important is our guests’ safety and satisfaction. The visitor perception of a welcoming and protected environment is crucial. All of our team strives to continually provide a comfortable atmosphere for our guests.

    People have the right to smoke; it offends other customers and, therefore, we have limited the smoking that occurs within our building. A mother has the natural right to breastfeed her infant which may embarrass other guests; thus we ask them to be discreet as well as provide a private area for this natural process of feeding their child. If there is a screaming child in our dining room, we do our best to discreetly approach and assist the parent. Some businesses also post the policy of “no shirt, no shoes, no service” so as to not offend any customers.

    Michigan has enacted a concealed weapon permit process which allows all law-abiding citizens with a clean record to discreetly carry your weapon. We have no policy against concealed carry with the proper permit as provided by Michigan legislation. Here at the Bavarian Inn we have established a No Open Carrying of Firearms policy for the peace of mind of our guests. The Frankenmuth Bavarian Inn is a family dining, lodging, and shopping environment.

    We look forward to serving you in the future in a hospitable and enjoyable manner.

    Sincerely,
    William A. Zehnder, President
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    I can respect that policy. At least it was thought out.

    I don't have to like it, but I can and will respect it.

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    zigziggityzoo wrote:
    I can respect that policy. At least it was thought out.

    I don't have to like it, but I can and will respect it.
    Same. He seems like a reasonable person, and I respect that.
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    I agree. But I still won't spend my money there... I don't like being classified as a less important customer.

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    SQLtables wrote:
    I agree. But I still won't spend my money there... I don't like being classified as a less important customer.
    Same as people that smoke. There are those that choose to spend their money elsewhere for any number of reasons.

    I probably wouldn't have spent my money there anyway (never even been to the city before, and if I do, I won't need the services of an Inn).

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    hmmm well I have no need of his hospitality as hospitality does not ward of BG's
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    zigziggityzoo wrote:
    SQLtables wrote:
    I agree. But I still won't spend my money there... I don't like being classified as a less important customer.
    Same as people that smoke. There are those that choose to spend their money elsewhere for any number of reasons.

    I probably wouldn't have spent my money there anyway (never even been to the city before, and if I do, I won't need the services of an Inn).
    Yea.

    It's called the Bavarian Inn, but I was just in the Restaurant. They have a ton of shops and whatnot too.. and carriage rides, and of course the lodge.

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    autosurgeon wrote:
    hmmm well I have no need of his hospitality as hospitality does not ward of BG's
    Right and they are really discriminating against those without CPLs.

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    Zhender's? do you know if they are OC friendly? I usually go there, never been into the bavarian inn to eat, although I have shopped there... guess I won't be anymore...

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    How bout a special area for Open Carry?

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    I am sorry to hear that, but once again I must point out that this is only a symptom of success. When 1/5 or more of the businesses in the state have no guns signs at their entrances, we'll have completed our goal of educating the people of Michigan.

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    dougwg wrote:
    How bout a special area for Open Carry?
    I said the exact same thing, and in fact, might put that suggestion in my response haha

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    Michigander wrote:
    I am sorry to hear that, but once again I must point out that this is only a symptom of success. When 1/5 or more of the businesses in the state have no guns signs at their entrances, we'll have completed our goal of educating the people of Michigan.
    Yes, but as far as I know, this isn't a new policy.

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    Funny I did not see the "right to smoke" in the Constitution, or the state constitution.

    I wanna know is this policy posted/ If not I think I shall try to dine! NOT!

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    Funny I did not see the "right to smoke" in the Constitution, or the state constitution.

    I wanna know is this policy posted/ If not I think I shall try to dine! NOT!
    I haven't seen a posting, and I've looked in all of the shops and the restaurant.

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    I'm not shure what the big deal is the food isn't very good there anyway.

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    When my wife and I visited the Muth, we stayed at the Bavarian Lodge I believe it was. Definitely not the Inn, I OC'd the whole time there, and was seen by several hotel employees, wide eyed and all, never once in our three days and two nights there did anyone say anything to me. We ate dinner at Zehnders, but since I don't have my CPL and they serve alcohol, I was unable to OC there. OC'd at the McD's just north of town and again, no problems there. Overall, a very positive experience.

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    the500kid wrote:
    I'm not shure what the big deal is the food isn't very good there anyway.
    QFT!!!


    I will never, ever eat the chicken up there again. I might have just had a bad batch, as it was the all you could eat @ Zehnders, but it was horrible! I will stick to KFC and even better Chicken Shack, before I'd ever eat that oversalted dry arse, overpriced "poultry" again.


    Harumph.

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    This is confusing, but the Bavarian Inn is not a hotel or anything. The "Lodge" is the Bavarian Inn Lodge, which is just another part of their business. According to Mr. Zehnder, the Lodge has a no OC policy too.

    All of this is owned by the Bavarian Inn. They own River Place, which is basically an outlet mall type thing, so I wonder if they have a no OC policy there too, even though they don't own the businesses in there, just the property. I OC there all the time. I'l check into it.

    http://www.bavarianinn.com/

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    SQLtables wrote:
    This is confusing, but the Bavarian Inn is not a hotel or anything. The "Lodge" is the Bavarian Inn Lodge, which is just another part of their business. According to Mr. Zehnder, the Lodge has a no OC policy too.

    All of this is owned by the Bavarian Inn. They own River Place, which is basically an outlet mall type thing, so I wonder if they have a no OC policy there too, even though they don't own the businesses in there, just the property. I OC there all the time. I'l check into it.

    http://www.bavarianinn.com/
    You'd know better than I, we stayed at the "hotel" just over the wooden bridge, I was told there was a difference between it and the actual Bavarian Inn. Either way, I OC'd everywhere I could whilst in the Muth, including the outlet and, erm, what's the name of the joint with huge omletts?

    Again, from check in at the front desk until we left, checked out by phone the only time I was not OCing in the "hotel" was when we went swimming, for obvious reasons, although, after reading the torture test on the XD's I'll admit, I was tempted Not a single incident, mebe they thought I was LE, hard to imagine, as some of the cats who've met me could probably agree, but not a word.

    Edit: just clicked your link, and yep, that's the place

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    Funny I did not see the "right to smoke" in the Constitution, or the state constitution.

    I wanna know is this policy posted/ If not I think I shall try to dine! NOT!
    Just as I'd expect people to honor the "no smoking" signs, I'd expect people to honor the "no guns" signs, if there are any. Now that we know the policy, I'll respect it.

    I also won't be visiting their property as a result. One of those benefits of a free country is that they can choose which customers they'd like to market themselves to, and we can choose to vote with our dollars by shopping elsewhere.

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    I respect the response, even though I don't agree with it. I have been going to Zhenders ever since I was a little kid. Not to mention all of the little shops including the penny candy store with the indian out front. I'm bothered by this, but the fact is that I may go back and eat there at some point. I dunno guess I'm torn in a way.

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    dougwg wrote:
    How bout a special area for Open Carry?

    Now that is down right FUNNY.

    Smoking and non smoking areas

    Now a Gun open carry area and a concealed area.



    What would the the sign look like





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    LaVere wrote:

    But that guy is brandishing! Not cool man.
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    I liked the analogy the owner used to explain his position. He makes a really good point.

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