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    I was shocked when I entered Value Village today and found that there were 2 signs on their entry doors saying "No firearms allowed inside". So I went up and asked a manager why it was that they did not allow firearms and she said "it is not safe".

    So use this information as you will.

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    Well that is their right, and their decision should be respected. I would cross that place of your list of places to spend your hard earned money though. And I do not even think it is worth the paper, ink envelope & stamp trying to make them understand that law abiding citizens are not the ones they need to worry about.

    As for the managers statement of "They are not safe" (referring to firearms)You really cannot argue with stupidity.
    I wonder if those signs make the ownersand managers feel all safe and secure now because we all know criminals withintent on robbing that store will surely obey their signs that state no firearms be brought inside (Sarcasm off now)

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    I would cross that place of your list of places to spend your hard earned money though. And I do not even think it is worth the paper, ink envelope & stamp trying to make them understand that law abiding citizens are not the ones they need to worry about.
    I would definitely not patronize the place. No need to. I'm certain anything that can be bought at value village can be purchased elsewhere.

    As for being worth the paper, ink, envelope and stamp. Thats totally up to you. Freedom is worth a lot more to some people than others. Everyone must chose the battles they fight and the battles they avoid. Your resources are best devoted to the places they will be most effective.

    I'll never spend a penny in a store that doesn't recognize the rights of law-abiding citizens unless it was the LAST PLACE ON EARTH to get something I COULDN'T live without.

    If you still shopped at value village, they won. They put up a sign, raped your rights, and got your business anyway.

    If you didn't shop there, you did the right thing, but probably won't make a change.

    If you have the time to take it further, contact the store owners.

    I don't have a lot of time this week, but I'll make some phone calls. Where is the store located, want to make sure I call the right one


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    I have time and I am going to be sending them a letter and if no response I am going to call. But for info, it is located 3100 E Layton Ave, St Francis - (414) 486-1498

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    Update:

    Spoke to the store manager Bill Ruhl at the St. Francis store. He informed me that the ST. FRANCIS POLICE DEPARTMENT sent around a letter to businesses requesting that they post a "no firearms allowed" sign.

    The manager seemed VERY dismayed at the concept that they were perceived as "non-gun-rights-friendly" and said that they were requested by the St. Francis Police department to do so.

    I called the St. Francis Police Department and spoke to Lt. Varga and asked for a copy of that letter.

    I'm curious as to the content of the letter. Wether it actually requests stores to post those signs or "suggests" that they do.

    Value Village has 4 stores here in the Milwaukee area. I obtained their local corporate office phone number from the manager at the St. Francis store. I placed a call to the corporate office and was directed to an executive (I presume the CEO) and I left a message for him. I'm realatively certain he'll be returning my phone call when he returns from lunch.

    I'll post updates as I learn more.

    edit: if the St. Francis Police department declines to provide a copy of that letter I will do an open records request of them for it.


    edit: decided not to wait for them to get back to me. I have emailed the St. Francis PD's community resource officer and made an open records request of any letters/memo's that were sent local businesses since the April 20th AG memo.

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    hugh jarmis wrote:
    Update:

    Spoke to the store manager Bill Ruhl at the St. Francis store. He informed me that the ST. FRANCIS POLICE DEPARTMENT sent around a letter to businesses requesting that they post a "no firearms allowed" sign.

    The manager seemed VERY dismayed at the concept that they were perceived as "non-gun-rights-friendly" and said that they were requested by the St. Francis Police department to do so.

    I called the St. Francis Police Department and spoke to Lt. Varga and asked for a copy of that letter.

    I'm curious as to the content of the letter. Wether it actually requests stores to post those signs or "suggests" that they do.

    Value Village has 4 stores here in the Milwaukee area. I obtained their local corporate office phone number from the manager at the St. Francis store. I placed a call to the corporate office and was directed to an executive (I presume the CEO) and I left a message for him. I'm realatively certain he'll be returning my phone call when he returns from lunch.

    I'll post updates as I learn more.

    edit: if the St. Francis Police department declines to provide a copy of that letter I will do an open records request of them for it.


    edit: decided not to wait for them to get back to me. I have emailed the St. Francis PD's community resource officer and made an open records request of any letters/memo's that were sent local businesses since the April 20th AG memo.



    Wow, thank you hugh jarmis, you have done more than I could in a few days. I would really like to see this "letter" that they sent out to the stores.

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    Pezhead992 wrote:
    hugh jarmis wrote:
    Spoke to the store manager Bill Ruhl at the St. Francis store. He informed me that the ST. FRANCIS POLICE DEPARTMENT sent around a letter to businesses requesting that they post a "no firearms allowed" sign.

    The manager seemed VERY dismayed at the concept that they were perceived as "non-gun-rights-friendly" and said that they were requested by the St. Francis Police department to do so.

    I called the St. Francis Police Department and spoke to Lt. Varga and asked for a copy of that letter.

    I'm curious as to the content of the letter. Wether it actually requests stores to post those signs or "suggests" that they do.

    Value Village has 4 stores here in the Milwaukee area. I obtained their local corporate office phone number from the manager at the St. Francis store. I placed a call to the corporate office and was directed to an executive (I presume the CEO) and I left a message for him. I'm realatively certain he'll be returning my phone call when he returns from lunch.
    Wow, thank you huge jarmis, you have done more than I could in a few days. I would really like to see this "letter" that they sent out to the stores.




    On a serious note, I too wonder whether or not they made it seem to local businesses they had to put up signs? Violating "Oaths of Office" seems to be the order of the day for Police Departments in Milwaukee County. "I swear to uphold and defend the constitutions..." means "I will ask others (under color of law) to restrict and act againstthe rights of citizens because the constitution doesn't let me do it"

    Thank you huge jarmis for being our, IMHO, spokesperson for OC in WI.

    Carry On.


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    On a serious note, I too wonder whether or not they made it seem to local businesses they had to put up signs? Violating "Oaths of Office" seems to be the order of the day for Police Departments in Milwaukee County.
    It is disturbing. We know from South Milwaukee that there was no public request for legislation, no shop owners had contacted the city, rather the police were making requests of law from the city to expand police powers leveraging individual shop owners.

    Now we hear that St. Francis sent out letters. The content of which hasn't been verified, but will be shortly indicating that police contacted stores and requested they post signage. A clear infringment on store-owners rights. I'll withhold further judgement until I see the letter, but this is a disturbing trend. It really demonstrates the lengths police will go to for the acquisition of power.

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    Very interesting,

    I would love to see those letters the PD (Allegedly at this point) put out. I wonder if it would put them in an actionable position? What has really got me curious is if the wording in these letters would lead a business owner to believe that if they do not post these signs, that they would be cited for an offense or if there was any languge in them to make someone believe there would be repercusions if the signs were not posted.

    Also if the signs were made and provided by the PD at the taxpayers expense?



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    Thanks Hugh for taking the time and effort to do this.

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    Years ago the South Carolina State Chamber of Commerce sent letters convincing shop owners that they were liable unless the CofC's no-guns sign was posted. It took years to get rid of them and engendered SC's rigid no-guns sign ordinance. If a sign deviates from the legal standard then it has no effect in law and the proprietor must make effective trespass notice.

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    I would think there may be some type of ethics violation here.

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    J.Gleason wrote:
    I would think there may be some type of ethics violation here.
    I sure would think. I thought intimidation was a crime.

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    It sounds very bad but I'll wait to see the wording of the letter before I pass judgment. If they're just informing business owners of their rights then I see no issue. However, if they're recommending or instructing then that's a problem.
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    Something we had discussed at our June meeting in La Crosse was using something like "logan's" business card concept. Have the card printed with a blank spot so it would read:

    I spent $ ____ while shopping this evening. Unfortunately, none of it at this establishment because of the establishment's anti-rights policy.
    Then take this to every manager, of every store in these malls, etc. and give them a card. If you visit them 2-3 times a week and hand every store a card, they will immediately see the dollars lost.

    Take it and run with it...



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    Received a call back from Bob Hanson, the General Manager of the parent company to the 4 Value Village stores in the Milwaukee area. While he (and the store manager) seem to be very likeable guys who from the sounds of it seem to fall on the conservative side of the political spectrum (referenced an affinity for Vicki McKenna's radio program) they felt that in order to "work with" the police in St. Francis they were going to stick with their posted no-firearms policy.

    Please encourage your friends and family to avoid patronizing the 4Value Village stores in the Milwaukee area. Your money is best spent at retail stores that support the rights of their law-abiding customers over the "command and control" desires of the police department.

    In the meantime, I am still waiting for a copy of the letter from St. Francis PD. I place another call to them today and it was the Chief of Police that sent the letter, he is out of town, but they are working on getting a copy to me.

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    hugh jarmis wrote:
    Please encourage your friends and family to avoid patronizing the 4Value Village stores in the Milwaukee area. Your money is best spent at retail stores that support the rights of their law-abiding customers over the "command and control" desires of the police department.

    In the meantime, I am still waiting for a copy of the letter from St. Francis PD. I place another call to them today and it was the Chief of Police that sent the letter, he is out of town, but they are working on getting a copy to me.

    I can all but guarantee I will not shop in any of these stores or any other in that comunity that posts this signage.

    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    I will again state, that I think it is VERY important to continue to "visit" any and all establishments that post signs. We should try to "visit" these establishment as often as possible, and we should try to many different individuals to "visit" this establishments. Get your mother, brother, aunt, uncle, neighbor, friend to "visit" these places.

    Have a buisinesscard printed with a blank spot so it would read:
    I spent $ ____ while shopping this evening. Unfortunately, none of it at this establishment because of the establishment's anti-rights policy. Feel free to contact me should there be a change in policy. <Name and address>
    Then take this to every manager, of every store in these malls, etc. and give them a card. If we"visit" them 2-3 times a week and hand every store a card, they will immediately see the dollars lost.

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    bnhcomputing wrote:
    I will again state, that I think it is VERY important to continue to "visit" any and all establishments that post signs. We should try to "visit" these establishment as often as possible, and we should try to many different individuals to "visit" this establishments. Get your mother, brother, aunt, uncle, neighbor, friend to "visit" these places.

    Have a buisinesscard printed with a blank spot so it would read:
    I spent $ ____ while shopping this evening. Unfortunately, none of it at this establishment because of the establishment's anti-rights policy. Feel free to contact me should there be a change in policy. <Name and address>
    Then take this to every manager, of every store in these malls, etc. and give them a card. If we"visit" them 2-3 times a week and hand every store a card, they will immediately see the dollars lost.
    In order to "visit" these storesone would have to walk in to give the manager these cards, in violation of their posted no carry rule unless you "visit" unarmed.
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

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    bigdaddy1 wrote:
    bnhcomputing wrote:
    I will again state, that I think it is VERY important to continue to "visit" any and all establishments that post signs. We should try to "visit" these establishment as often as possible, and we should try to many different individuals to "visit" this establishments. Get your mother, brother, aunt, uncle, neighbor, friend to "visit" these places.

    Have a buisinesscard printed with a blank spot so it would read:
    I spent $ ____ while shopping this evening. Unfortunately, none of it at this establishment because of the establishment's anti-rights policy. Feel free to contact me should there be a change in policy. <Name and address>
    Then take this to every manager, of every store in these malls, etc. and give them a card. If we"visit" them 2-3 times a week and hand every store a card, they will immediately see the dollars lost.
    In order to "visit" these storesone would have to walk in to give the manager these cards, in violation of their posted no carry rule unless you "visit" unarmed.
    Go in unarmed as you don't want to break the rules. I personally would have my holster on, but that's my choice.
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    Yes, unfortunately we would need to go there unarmed but the point would be to show them how much money they are loosing, which is why you want to get all your friends, neighbors, and relatives to do the same.

    $20 here, $30 there all adds up and in this economy it shouldn't take long for them to see the error of their ways.




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    IF true that the local police are intimidating store owners into posting these signs, it reminds me of the many shops in Germany that were "Persuaded to posts "No Jews" signs in their stores.

    This sickens me to no end. If you can FOIA the letter or get a store owner to give you a copy I suggest you go to the local papers and show them how unethical their PD is.
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    If I had to guess what happened, I would think the store owner ASKED the SFPD how they could keep people with firearms out of their store, and the PD responded by telling them to put signs up on the door.

    Obviously that's all speculation, but I would put money on it.

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    At about the same time that South Carolina's Law Abiding Citizen Self-Defense Act of 1996 was enacted, the SC state Chamber of Commerce lied to businesses that they would be liable for something if the business did not post the CC provided no-gun signs. It took us years to erase that meme, get the signs removed and ultimately make them legally meaningless.

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