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Thread: URGENT CHANGE to Va-Alert re VA forest carry regulation comments needed

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    Even if you posted on the original thread - read this.

    First, good work! We are at 926 comments in 16 hours.

    Second, we need to change the message so that we can get open carry
    considered as a legal means of carrying in State Forests. We need at
    least 25 people to request a hearing.


    To do that, we need to change the subject and messages to be similar
    to these:

    Suggested subject: "I support the new regulation, but open carry
    needs to be allowed"

    Suggested message: "I support the new regulation, but I am asking for
    a hearing on allowing for the open carry of handguns State Forests.
    That would bring State Forests into compliance with a formal opinion
    (08-043) published in September 2008 by the Virginia Attorney General."

    Here is the link to the comment area again:

    http://townhall.virginia.gov/L/ViewS...m?stageid=5042
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    Grapeshot, do we need to specifically request a hearing on open carry in state forests? I did a word find of "open" in the subject blocks and counted 140 subject lines specifically included support for open carry.



    Edited to add: Both my original comment and subject line discuss changing rules to allow for open carry as well as concealed.

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    jmelvin wrote:
    Grapeshot, do we need to specifically request a hearing on open carry in state forests? I did a word find of "open" in the subject blocks and counted 140 subject lines specifically included support for open carry.



    Edited to add: Both my original comment and subject line discuss changing rules to allow for open carry as well as concealed.
    According to the way I read the Va-Alert, yes a hearing needs to be specifically requested by a minimum of 25 people.

    Of course loading them up wouldn't hurt either.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    jmelvin wrote:
    Grapeshot, do we need to specifically request a hearing on open carry in state forests? I did a word find of "open" in the subject blocks and counted 140 subject lines specifically included support for open carry.



    Edited to add: Both my original comment and subject line discuss changing rules to allow for open carry as well as concealed.
    According to the way I read the Va-Alert, yes a hearing needs to be specifically requested by a minimum of 25 people.

    Of course loading them up wouldn't hurt either.

    Yata hey
    Could a proposal not also be put forward to allow open carry in State Parks as well? Might as well go all the way.

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    Done.

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    It kind of bothers me to ask for an administrative regulation specifically to allow something that the Virginia Constitution provides as a matter of right. *See Article I, Sect. 13, upon which the 2nd Amend. to the U.S. Const. was based.
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    user wrote:
    It kind of bothers me to ask for an administrative regulation specifically to allow something that the Virginia Constitution provides as a matter of right. See Article I, Sect. 13, upon which the 2nd Amend. to the U.S. Const. was based.
    Um, no. Article I, Sect. 13 was enacted in the 1970s, and has never been construed by a court to mean anything yet.

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    I suspect that your reasoning for the concept that section 13 was enacted in the 1970's is due to the fact that the entire Constitution was re-enacted with some changes (effective as of July 1, 1971). *

    But that section is exactly the same in wording as when originally written by George Mason and enacted by resolution in the Virginia Convention on May 15, 1776 (thirteen years before the United States was invented).




    By the way, in your Fourth of July celebrations, remember it was Virginia that severed its ties to England; the United States was only a gleam in Alexander Hamilton's eye at that time.

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