timf343
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This is the content of a complaint form I just sent to the FBI, Internal Affairs, and Citizens Review Board. This situation mimics very closely what DONT TREAD ON ME went through in NW Las Vegas a few weeks back, including the unloading of my weapon and making me play hide and go seek to reload it.
I was out for a walk along Las Vegas Blvd and openly carrying my firearm. I was stopped by what seemed like 10 officers as I was swarmed by police officers with weapons drawn. They blocked the right lane of southbound Las Vegas Blvd approximately 1/4 mile south of Charleston.
Sgt Tom Miller was the initial contact officer and he instructed me to put my hands on my head with backup officers pointing guns in my direction. He then proceeded to handcuff me. He lectured me about carrying a firearm but acknowledged it was legal. I objected to being detained and handcuffed but did not resist physically. My objections were dismissed.
I was clearly being seized in the form of a Terry stop, though the Terry standards were not met. I repeated that I do not consent to being detained and would like to be released immediately. I demanded that Sgt Miller articulate his "reasonable suspicion" which is one of the required components of a terry stop. His response was that I was being stopped on suspicion of armed robbery, clearly absurd and not-the-least-bit reasonable. By Miller's own admission, there were no reports of any armed robberies, any threatened armed robberies, nor any report of a suspect who's description I matched. He later conceded I was stopped merely because he witnessed me carrying a holstered firearm. I was stopped at gun point and held against my will despite the fact that I did not consent to the detainment and there was no Reasonable and Articulable suspicion. This was a violation of my 4th amendment rights and I also believe an egregious violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 242, as the unlawful stop was combined with Assault with Deadly Weapon, having at least 2 officers pointing weapons at me (it was dark and there were spotlights in my eyes, so there may have been more I did not see).
Plain Clothes officers began questioning me as Sgt Miller tried to remove my weapon from its holster. He was not successful in removing it, so he unsafely started pulling it with great force. Though I was handcuffed, I verbally repeated several times I do not consent to having my firearm seized. Sgt Miller responded he didn't care. My belt is a custom made leather gun belt with internal strengthening rod and my holster is a retention holster, the combination of which renders the firearm secure upon my person. A plain clothes officer had to show Sgt Miller that the retention holster has a manual release that must be depressed to release the gun.
As the plain clothes officer removed the gun, I again repeated I do not consent to them seizing my firearm. He just looked at me asking if I had any other guns on me as he proceeded to lift my shirt. I immediately stated I do not consent to a search (Terry standards limit the "search" for weapons to an external pat down). To his (limited) professionalism, he immediately ceased the search and instead turned his attention to my gun and asked if I have a "blue card to carry that weapon". A blue card is a registration card, and according to the LVMPD web site (http://www.lvmpd.com/permits/firearms_registration.html) is not required to be carried upon your person. As I consider it like a car title, I leave it safely at home in my safe so in the event of a theft, I have some proof of ownership. This question was repeated nearly a dozen times throughout the detainment. I advised the officers that the LVMPD web site specifically states it is not required to be carried and that if they are unsure (clearly they did not know), they should call the firearms detail.
I explained I was exercising my right to remain silent and requested an attorney be present before they question me further. I even produced a business card repeating these statements and assertion of rights. All the officers examined this card and then placed it on the hood of the cruiser, a copy of which can likely be seen from the dashboard camera footage from Sgt Miller's cruiser.
Despite my request for an attorney, both verbally and in writing, I was continually questioned in violation of my 6th amendment rights. Admittedly, I did make voluntary statements following my assertion of my 5th amendment right to remain silent. However, those statements made, temporarily waiving my 5th amendment right, did not change the fact that I was questioned without an attorney and was detained absent reasonable articulable suspicion, probable cause, or a warrant.
While Sgt Miller made his absurd assertion of me being an armed robbery suspect, the plain clothes officer who previously removed my firearm without permission (in fact, with a demand that he not touch my property period), he was so unsafely handling the weapon and ammunition, a bullet dropped upon the hood of the cruiser and rolled down, landing on the road. I begged them "Please stop damaging my property." as I was unable to physically do anything, having my hands bound behind my back.
Sgt Miller continued his lecture and stated that he will stop everyone with a firearm, as that is "enough" reasonable suspicion for him to detain any citizen he so chooses. He said I have to prove I'm not a felon, since a felon in possession of a firearm is a crime. I replied that since this was not Nazi Germany, citizens need not produce their papers to prove they're "legal".
I again demanded to be released immediately and have my firearm placed back in my holster. In response, Miller demanded "I want to see a blue card." I again explained that I did not have it in my possession and I was not required to carry it, according to the LVMPD web site I responsibly checked prior to carrying my firearm.
Unsatisfied, the plain clothes officer want back to questioning me "Do you have a blue card for that firearm?". I again replied I'm not answering any questions without an attorney present and repeated I do not consent to having my firearm seized. Miller raised his voice and began yelling "DID WE SAY THAT?" I explained that simply having my property on the hood of the cruiser and not in my possession constituted seizure under the law. "Listen hear Mr Lawyer" Sgt Miller taunted, upon which he again tried questioning me, and I again refused. Finally, the plain clothes officer returned and asked my name. Being familiar with NRS 171.123, which requires a person held by police to identify himself (though NRS 171.123 does repeat the Terry standard requiring reasonable articulable suspicion, which the police did not have in my case), I opted to cooperate and identified myself by name, spelling both first and last name and also providing my middle names.
He was still unhappy. I was the one being held illegally, but still cooperating as required by law, but the plain clothes officer was still unhappy. He asked for my date of birth, which is not required to be furnished under state law, and so I did not provide that information, citing that I was not required to provide him with it. He threatened me "You're in a lot of @#$%". I asked "I am?" and he said "Yes, you are. Listen, once we get you identified, and find out that you're John Q Citizen, you know what, you'll be on your merry way." I again repeated I did not consent to being seized and wanted to be released immediately. By now, we're only 7 minutes into the detainment and I've asked to be let go 5 times.
Sgt Miller again wanted to have a debate there while I'm in handcuffs, sweating from the heat (and danger) of the passing traffic and the close proximity of the cruiser. He stood comfortably (and safely) on the sidewalk. He repeats "You are totally right...except for one point...we do have reasonable suspicion to stop anybody with a firearm...(debate)...how do we know you're not a felon...(I reply "I'm not required to prove that to you")...that's reasonable suspicion right there". Clearly this whole dialog shows that the original assertion of "armed robbery" was absurd, and Miller is now fishing for a more reasonable explanation for why he's stopped me and I'm not free to go.
No longer enjoying the debate, the plain clothes officer said "fine exercise your right" to which I replied "Fine, may I have my firearm back?". His reply is "No, not until we figure out who you are." I had already identified myself, and he had already illegally seized my weapon and ran the registration. I'm not sure what else I would be required to do.
Already impatient and intolerant of this unlawful detention, I asked again a few minutes later whether I was free to go and they repeated not until they knew who I was and that this gun was not stolen. I said I have no receipt for my hat or my shoes, but that doesn't give you the right to check whether they're stolen. Our country faces an illegal immigration problem but that doesn't give you the right to come into my home and check for illegals. We have a drug problem, but that doesn't give you the right to stop every citizen and check his pockets. Sgt Miller responded "You're wrong, you're totally wrong." Miller goes on to explain that in addition to the rights I've explained, I also have the right to "be stopped and be detained and make sure that firearm belongs to you". I'm rather amused at this continued absurdity and tried educating him that that's what the 4th amendment is all about.
At this point, the officers gang up, go off on the sidewalk and have a jovial conversation. Loud laughing can be heard but I cannot hear their conversation.
They come back and tell me that although I've given them my name, how do they know I'm not lying. I then, out of an obvious desire to get out of handcuffs and the heat and danger of traffic, I give the plain clothes officer my drivers license number. They said I still could be making it up or giving them my brother's license number or something. I said look, I'm being more cooperative that I'm required to be under the law, go type the number in and my picture will probably pop up on your computer. If not, I've given you my name, including middle name, including spelling, I've given you my driver license number, you've seized my gun and ran the registration. All of them match, what else do you want?!
Apparently trying his best to cite the Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, Plain Clothes officer threatened to arrest me for hindering his investigation because I was not cooperating. In that case, the court ruled that a suspect must identify himself or can be charged with hindering an investigation. However, I complied with NRS 171.123 by identifying my name. I went above any beyond the requirements of the law and provided my driver license number so they could positively confirm my identity (compared to another person in Las Vegas who may share my name). With his limited, dangerous, knowledge of the law I decided it was now in my best interest to provide a copy of my driver license, which I did under duress. I was threatened that if I did not, they would arrest me for this "hindering" charge and would seize my weapon and I'd have to convince a judge to give it back to me, which is "very expensive" according to the officer. But now, he no longer needs just my ID. He wants my social security number and again asks for the elusive blue card. I get a smile on my face (didn't he hear me the prior 8 times I mentioned that I do not have it in my possession, it is not required to be in my possession, etc.). Apparently my smile comes across as attitude as I'm threatened again.
I tell him "You may take my identification only, please return the remainder of the contents of my wallet back to my pocket." He ignores me and takes everything out, credit cards, cash, business cards, frequent shopper cards, casino player cards, concealed weapons permits, social security card, and takes the 4th amendment violations even further. When he sees my concealed weapon permit he says "Hey what is the law about carrying a concealed weapon?". I said you already frisked me and know I'm not carrying any concealed weapons. I repeated that I wasn't carrying any concealed weapons about 4 or 5 times as he asked me even more questions without my attorney present. As I explained I was well versed in NRS 200, NRS 202, NRS 244, and NRS 268, all governing firearms in this state, he stopped trying to trick/intimidate me with his blatant lies. As I see him taking all my cards, I said "I told you only to take my ID". Knowing he was in the wrong, he made up something about my ID being hidden behind several cards and he had to find it. He disappears into the cruiser to run my information again.
Another few minutes goes by.
The "silence" was uncomfortable, so I thank the officer for placing me in two pairs of handcuffs rather than a single pair, minimizing the discomfort upon my wrists. He responds the only reason I'm in cuffs is that I refused to answer their questions. I wasn't aware asserting my 5th amendment rights was grounds to escalate an encounter.
Sgt Miller offers a story about his father who used to carry his six shooter and cooperated with police every time they illegally stopped him. A heartwarming story no doubt, but I opt to exercise my 4th, 5th, and 6th amendment rights in addition to my 2nd amendment rights. I protest being forced to stand here listening to family stories while I'm in handcuffs and not free to leave. The plain clothes officer emerges from the cruiser, explains he found me, I'm in fact not a felon, nor do I have any disqualifying reasons for carrying/possessing a firearm. But, as if it were some Saturday Night Live Skit, when I ask if I'm NOW free to leave, he says as soon as I show him my blue card. I can't help but laugh, though I find the situation far from humorous.
They start asking me even more questions. I've completely lost my patience at this point and say "I don't want to answer any questions man, am I free to go?" They decide to hold me longer as they examine the type of ammunition I'm carrying. The only handgun ammo illegal in Nevada is a tracer (an bullet with incendiary tip designed to allow a shooter to follow the trajectory visually). However, I patiently explain that the chambered bullet is an "Extreme Shock Air Freedom" round carried by Federal Air Marshals. I carry it as my chambered round to be as absolutely responsible as I can be. These rounds are designed to be fired on board aircraft because they disintegrate when they come into contact with a solid surface, such as an aircraft skin (so they don't shoot the bad guy and crash the plane at the same time). Because they disintegrate upon contact, any accidental discharge minimizes risk to innocent people and the risk of any penetration of wall or window.
I again repeat I'd like to be on my way immediately. Before removing the handcuffs, the plain clothes officer takes every round out of my magazine (illegally and without consent) and puts them in my pocket. Rather than just dropping the rounds into my pocket, I feel him rooting around touching each and every thing I had in there (again, furthering the 4th amendment violations). He removes the handcuffs and hands me the unloaded gun. The slide is pulled back and locked in place by the retaining clip and I'm told to put it in my holster without releasing the slide. In some kind of hide and seek game, the officer then walks my magazine a 100 feet away and puts it on top of an irrigation box (out of their control and out of my control). He tells me to stay where I am, so even though the handcuffs are off I'm still being detained as I'm not free to leave. He said I'm not to reload the weapon until they leave otherwise they'll arrest me. "Just shut up and listen to me" he says.
I ask "Am I free to leave now?". He says not until we leave. I'm not free to move until they leave. Ridiculous and illegal. I return to Miller and get a copy of the event number.
Miller tells me there is no paperwork, but there is a computer record of the officers that respond, etc. He said next time I should just cooperate. This incident has insured that next time I will not cooperate. I will leave my wallet at home or in the car and will not have ID on me.
This is the content of a complaint form I just sent to the FBI, Internal Affairs, and Citizens Review Board. This situation mimics very closely what DONT TREAD ON ME went through in NW Las Vegas a few weeks back, including the unloading of my weapon and making me play hide and go seek to reload it.
I was out for a walk along Las Vegas Blvd and openly carrying my firearm. I was stopped by what seemed like 10 officers as I was swarmed by police officers with weapons drawn. They blocked the right lane of southbound Las Vegas Blvd approximately 1/4 mile south of Charleston.
Sgt Tom Miller was the initial contact officer and he instructed me to put my hands on my head with backup officers pointing guns in my direction. He then proceeded to handcuff me. He lectured me about carrying a firearm but acknowledged it was legal. I objected to being detained and handcuffed but did not resist physically. My objections were dismissed.
I was clearly being seized in the form of a Terry stop, though the Terry standards were not met. I repeated that I do not consent to being detained and would like to be released immediately. I demanded that Sgt Miller articulate his "reasonable suspicion" which is one of the required components of a terry stop. His response was that I was being stopped on suspicion of armed robbery, clearly absurd and not-the-least-bit reasonable. By Miller's own admission, there were no reports of any armed robberies, any threatened armed robberies, nor any report of a suspect who's description I matched. He later conceded I was stopped merely because he witnessed me carrying a holstered firearm. I was stopped at gun point and held against my will despite the fact that I did not consent to the detainment and there was no Reasonable and Articulable suspicion. This was a violation of my 4th amendment rights and I also believe an egregious violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 242, as the unlawful stop was combined with Assault with Deadly Weapon, having at least 2 officers pointing weapons at me (it was dark and there were spotlights in my eyes, so there may have been more I did not see).
Plain Clothes officers began questioning me as Sgt Miller tried to remove my weapon from its holster. He was not successful in removing it, so he unsafely started pulling it with great force. Though I was handcuffed, I verbally repeated several times I do not consent to having my firearm seized. Sgt Miller responded he didn't care. My belt is a custom made leather gun belt with internal strengthening rod and my holster is a retention holster, the combination of which renders the firearm secure upon my person. A plain clothes officer had to show Sgt Miller that the retention holster has a manual release that must be depressed to release the gun.
As the plain clothes officer removed the gun, I again repeated I do not consent to them seizing my firearm. He just looked at me asking if I had any other guns on me as he proceeded to lift my shirt. I immediately stated I do not consent to a search (Terry standards limit the "search" for weapons to an external pat down). To his (limited) professionalism, he immediately ceased the search and instead turned his attention to my gun and asked if I have a "blue card to carry that weapon". A blue card is a registration card, and according to the LVMPD web site (http://www.lvmpd.com/permits/firearms_registration.html) is not required to be carried upon your person. As I consider it like a car title, I leave it safely at home in my safe so in the event of a theft, I have some proof of ownership. This question was repeated nearly a dozen times throughout the detainment. I advised the officers that the LVMPD web site specifically states it is not required to be carried and that if they are unsure (clearly they did not know), they should call the firearms detail.
I explained I was exercising my right to remain silent and requested an attorney be present before they question me further. I even produced a business card repeating these statements and assertion of rights. All the officers examined this card and then placed it on the hood of the cruiser, a copy of which can likely be seen from the dashboard camera footage from Sgt Miller's cruiser.
Despite my request for an attorney, both verbally and in writing, I was continually questioned in violation of my 6th amendment rights. Admittedly, I did make voluntary statements following my assertion of my 5th amendment right to remain silent. However, those statements made, temporarily waiving my 5th amendment right, did not change the fact that I was questioned without an attorney and was detained absent reasonable articulable suspicion, probable cause, or a warrant.
While Sgt Miller made his absurd assertion of me being an armed robbery suspect, the plain clothes officer who previously removed my firearm without permission (in fact, with a demand that he not touch my property period), he was so unsafely handling the weapon and ammunition, a bullet dropped upon the hood of the cruiser and rolled down, landing on the road. I begged them "Please stop damaging my property." as I was unable to physically do anything, having my hands bound behind my back.
Sgt Miller continued his lecture and stated that he will stop everyone with a firearm, as that is "enough" reasonable suspicion for him to detain any citizen he so chooses. He said I have to prove I'm not a felon, since a felon in possession of a firearm is a crime. I replied that since this was not Nazi Germany, citizens need not produce their papers to prove they're "legal".
I again demanded to be released immediately and have my firearm placed back in my holster. In response, Miller demanded "I want to see a blue card." I again explained that I did not have it in my possession and I was not required to carry it, according to the LVMPD web site I responsibly checked prior to carrying my firearm.
Unsatisfied, the plain clothes officer want back to questioning me "Do you have a blue card for that firearm?". I again replied I'm not answering any questions without an attorney present and repeated I do not consent to having my firearm seized. Miller raised his voice and began yelling "DID WE SAY THAT?" I explained that simply having my property on the hood of the cruiser and not in my possession constituted seizure under the law. "Listen hear Mr Lawyer" Sgt Miller taunted, upon which he again tried questioning me, and I again refused. Finally, the plain clothes officer returned and asked my name. Being familiar with NRS 171.123, which requires a person held by police to identify himself (though NRS 171.123 does repeat the Terry standard requiring reasonable articulable suspicion, which the police did not have in my case), I opted to cooperate and identified myself by name, spelling both first and last name and also providing my middle names.
He was still unhappy. I was the one being held illegally, but still cooperating as required by law, but the plain clothes officer was still unhappy. He asked for my date of birth, which is not required to be furnished under state law, and so I did not provide that information, citing that I was not required to provide him with it. He threatened me "You're in a lot of @#$%". I asked "I am?" and he said "Yes, you are. Listen, once we get you identified, and find out that you're John Q Citizen, you know what, you'll be on your merry way." I again repeated I did not consent to being seized and wanted to be released immediately. By now, we're only 7 minutes into the detainment and I've asked to be let go 5 times.
Sgt Miller again wanted to have a debate there while I'm in handcuffs, sweating from the heat (and danger) of the passing traffic and the close proximity of the cruiser. He stood comfortably (and safely) on the sidewalk. He repeats "You are totally right...except for one point...we do have reasonable suspicion to stop anybody with a firearm...(debate)...how do we know you're not a felon...(I reply "I'm not required to prove that to you")...that's reasonable suspicion right there". Clearly this whole dialog shows that the original assertion of "armed robbery" was absurd, and Miller is now fishing for a more reasonable explanation for why he's stopped me and I'm not free to go.
No longer enjoying the debate, the plain clothes officer said "fine exercise your right" to which I replied "Fine, may I have my firearm back?". His reply is "No, not until we figure out who you are." I had already identified myself, and he had already illegally seized my weapon and ran the registration. I'm not sure what else I would be required to do.
Already impatient and intolerant of this unlawful detention, I asked again a few minutes later whether I was free to go and they repeated not until they knew who I was and that this gun was not stolen. I said I have no receipt for my hat or my shoes, but that doesn't give you the right to check whether they're stolen. Our country faces an illegal immigration problem but that doesn't give you the right to come into my home and check for illegals. We have a drug problem, but that doesn't give you the right to stop every citizen and check his pockets. Sgt Miller responded "You're wrong, you're totally wrong." Miller goes on to explain that in addition to the rights I've explained, I also have the right to "be stopped and be detained and make sure that firearm belongs to you". I'm rather amused at this continued absurdity and tried educating him that that's what the 4th amendment is all about.
At this point, the officers gang up, go off on the sidewalk and have a jovial conversation. Loud laughing can be heard but I cannot hear their conversation.
They come back and tell me that although I've given them my name, how do they know I'm not lying. I then, out of an obvious desire to get out of handcuffs and the heat and danger of traffic, I give the plain clothes officer my drivers license number. They said I still could be making it up or giving them my brother's license number or something. I said look, I'm being more cooperative that I'm required to be under the law, go type the number in and my picture will probably pop up on your computer. If not, I've given you my name, including middle name, including spelling, I've given you my driver license number, you've seized my gun and ran the registration. All of them match, what else do you want?!
Apparently trying his best to cite the Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, Plain Clothes officer threatened to arrest me for hindering his investigation because I was not cooperating. In that case, the court ruled that a suspect must identify himself or can be charged with hindering an investigation. However, I complied with NRS 171.123 by identifying my name. I went above any beyond the requirements of the law and provided my driver license number so they could positively confirm my identity (compared to another person in Las Vegas who may share my name). With his limited, dangerous, knowledge of the law I decided it was now in my best interest to provide a copy of my driver license, which I did under duress. I was threatened that if I did not, they would arrest me for this "hindering" charge and would seize my weapon and I'd have to convince a judge to give it back to me, which is "very expensive" according to the officer. But now, he no longer needs just my ID. He wants my social security number and again asks for the elusive blue card. I get a smile on my face (didn't he hear me the prior 8 times I mentioned that I do not have it in my possession, it is not required to be in my possession, etc.). Apparently my smile comes across as attitude as I'm threatened again.
I tell him "You may take my identification only, please return the remainder of the contents of my wallet back to my pocket." He ignores me and takes everything out, credit cards, cash, business cards, frequent shopper cards, casino player cards, concealed weapons permits, social security card, and takes the 4th amendment violations even further. When he sees my concealed weapon permit he says "Hey what is the law about carrying a concealed weapon?". I said you already frisked me and know I'm not carrying any concealed weapons. I repeated that I wasn't carrying any concealed weapons about 4 or 5 times as he asked me even more questions without my attorney present. As I explained I was well versed in NRS 200, NRS 202, NRS 244, and NRS 268, all governing firearms in this state, he stopped trying to trick/intimidate me with his blatant lies. As I see him taking all my cards, I said "I told you only to take my ID". Knowing he was in the wrong, he made up something about my ID being hidden behind several cards and he had to find it. He disappears into the cruiser to run my information again.
Another few minutes goes by.
The "silence" was uncomfortable, so I thank the officer for placing me in two pairs of handcuffs rather than a single pair, minimizing the discomfort upon my wrists. He responds the only reason I'm in cuffs is that I refused to answer their questions. I wasn't aware asserting my 5th amendment rights was grounds to escalate an encounter.
Sgt Miller offers a story about his father who used to carry his six shooter and cooperated with police every time they illegally stopped him. A heartwarming story no doubt, but I opt to exercise my 4th, 5th, and 6th amendment rights in addition to my 2nd amendment rights. I protest being forced to stand here listening to family stories while I'm in handcuffs and not free to leave. The plain clothes officer emerges from the cruiser, explains he found me, I'm in fact not a felon, nor do I have any disqualifying reasons for carrying/possessing a firearm. But, as if it were some Saturday Night Live Skit, when I ask if I'm NOW free to leave, he says as soon as I show him my blue card. I can't help but laugh, though I find the situation far from humorous.
They start asking me even more questions. I've completely lost my patience at this point and say "I don't want to answer any questions man, am I free to go?" They decide to hold me longer as they examine the type of ammunition I'm carrying. The only handgun ammo illegal in Nevada is a tracer (an bullet with incendiary tip designed to allow a shooter to follow the trajectory visually). However, I patiently explain that the chambered bullet is an "Extreme Shock Air Freedom" round carried by Federal Air Marshals. I carry it as my chambered round to be as absolutely responsible as I can be. These rounds are designed to be fired on board aircraft because they disintegrate when they come into contact with a solid surface, such as an aircraft skin (so they don't shoot the bad guy and crash the plane at the same time). Because they disintegrate upon contact, any accidental discharge minimizes risk to innocent people and the risk of any penetration of wall or window.
I again repeat I'd like to be on my way immediately. Before removing the handcuffs, the plain clothes officer takes every round out of my magazine (illegally and without consent) and puts them in my pocket. Rather than just dropping the rounds into my pocket, I feel him rooting around touching each and every thing I had in there (again, furthering the 4th amendment violations). He removes the handcuffs and hands me the unloaded gun. The slide is pulled back and locked in place by the retaining clip and I'm told to put it in my holster without releasing the slide. In some kind of hide and seek game, the officer then walks my magazine a 100 feet away and puts it on top of an irrigation box (out of their control and out of my control). He tells me to stay where I am, so even though the handcuffs are off I'm still being detained as I'm not free to leave. He said I'm not to reload the weapon until they leave otherwise they'll arrest me. "Just shut up and listen to me" he says.
I ask "Am I free to leave now?". He says not until we leave. I'm not free to move until they leave. Ridiculous and illegal. I return to Miller and get a copy of the event number.
Miller tells me there is no paperwork, but there is a computer record of the officers that respond, etc. He said next time I should just cooperate. This incident has insured that next time I will not cooperate. I will leave my wallet at home or in the car and will not have ID on me.