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    Hey, I have a little extra money and a hard on for a 1911. I am in Waco, TX and there's a gun store with a new, bluedColt Combat Commander for $759. There's another down the road that has a Springfield GI for $550. I'm kind of leaning for the Colt. The input of you vets is welcomed. Thanks!

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    I saw some colts the other day when looking for a 1911 for my uncle and wasn't very impressed. If you're going to buy I'd suggest a Springfield Loaded or one of the Many Kimbers that are out there. I had a GI at one point and didn't really like it. Maybe a Mil-Spec but I wouldn't buy a GI again. The loadeds are nice but all the different Kimber line give you quite a few options. As for my uncle we're looking at a Kimber TLE Custom II.


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    Not a vet btw. I have done a shitload of research and my carry gun is a Kimber.
    “The 1911 pistol remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem. Back when we audited the FBI academy in 1947, I was told that I ought not to use my pistol in their training program because it was not fair. Maybe the first thing one should demand of his sidearm is that it be unfair.” — Col. Jeff Cooper, GUNS & AMMO, January 2002

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    If you are looking for a nice Commander I would suggest looking at Dan Wesson's Commander Bobtail. A really well made gun. If you want a springer I would always look at the serial number if it starts with NM it means the frame is a national match frame, most dealer do not know this.
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    Buy the Kimber after a few more months of saving. If you are going to go "go all the way"

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    Kimbers were great the first ones that came out but now they use many MIM parts in them and I prefer no MIM parts in my handguns in critical areas no less. I work on all my guns as well as my friends and have been for over 30 years now. Quality part go with Cylinder and Slide parts. I sold all my Kimbers even my Warrior which I replaced all the Mim parts out on it. I check the hood by pressing down on it if it moves I won't get it also the Bushing and slide fit is upmost important. If you can move you're Bushing by hand it will thru your bullet out about 1/2'' at 25 yards. To some that don't matter to me it does.
    For those that don't know what MIM parts are here.

    The main complaint with MIM (Metal Injection Molding) is that they can (and do) break suddenly without any give or warning.

    Most people complain about MIM for the slide stop, thumb safety, extractor, and the hammer. Unfortunately, each of these critical components are commonly manufactured with the MIM process, and if any one of them breaks, your 1911 becomes an expensive club.

    Putting all tool steel parts into a 1911 is almost guaranteed to put you over the $1000 mark in cost
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    Take a step up from the Springfield GI and get the Springfield Mil-Spec.

    Shoot it a bit and upgrade from there as you find out what you want to change, if anything, through the course of your range trips.

    That, or if you looked you could find a Springfield Loaded in the 750 range probably. I prefer the Mil-Spec route though simply because the slide doesn't have forward serrations on it. Purely aesthetic reasoning on my part... so might be worth it to you.

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    Hey, thanks for the input guys!

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    I think that what we are here for to help one another right no thanks needed my friend.
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    Well fellas, I got it. I checked a few gun stores, played with some Springfields, Kimbers, and a Colt. The Mil-Spec was a nice gun as were some of the Kimbers. What I ended up picking was the Colt. A 1991A1 Commander to be exact. I just love the way it fit me. I have wanted a colt for the better part of 9 years now. Circumstances, ex-wife, finances, availability, etc. has kept one out of my hands for a long time.

    I haven't gotten to shoot it yet but so far all I can say is WOW. The day I got it home I field stripped it to get it all cleaned and lubed and shiny. The first thing that struck me was the barrel. Man, that thing is a beauty! One odd thing is the throat. It's a dimple thing. I was told on the 1911 forums that it was done to make it feed all types of ammunition. I'm going to try that before I take it to my smith. The second thing that got me was the dissasembly. It required NO tools, yet has a nice, tight fit. I ended up throwing the old wrench I had from back when I owned a Kimber back into the cleaning kit.

    I haven't had time to take her to the range yet, but I'll try to give a report and post some pics when I do. Speaking of picks, here's a couple. Please forgive the poor quality. I don't have a badass camera, lol it doesn't even have a flash...

    But guys, again, thank you SO much for your input. I think for the next one(there's always a next one huh?) that I may get a Springield Mil Spec so I can have a full sized to customize and take to the range. The commander I picked up will also be for carry and car ridesas well as home defense during the day. My Sig Pro with its fancy night sights helps me sleep at night.





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    :celebrate

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    Congrats on your new springer may it serve you well bro.
    S/F Vic:celebrate

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    reconvic wrote:
    Congrats on your new springer may it serve you well bro.
    S/F Vic:celebrate
    It's a Colt, but thanks! Semper Fidelis.



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    Nice looking Colt. Congrats on the purchase!

    Now get you some fancy grips from Esmeralda!

    http://www.esmeralda.cc/latest_grips_added.htm

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    Oh my, those checkered Cocobolo grips look nice... DAMN YOU! Lol, I thought I was done putting money down on my new piece!

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    DobermansRock wrote:
    Buy the Kimber after a few more months of saving. If you are going to go "go all the way"
    Kimber is the only way to go for a 1911. Forget Colt and Springfield. They are not bad, but do not hold water compared to Kimber.
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    Well, this is the 3rd 1911 type pistol I've bought. The first one was a Kimber Custom II a few years back. It was a good shooter, but, at least the one I had, I wouldn't have staked my life on it. I know the break in period and what have you, but an auto made these days shouldn't choke on ball ammo. The Kimber was a very picky eater, though by round 300 it was good to go except for a couple of ammo issues, which is why I only buy WC mags. Hell, the High Standard Compact was fine for $480.00 out the door. Only problem was the mag that came with it which got junked and replaced by one of Mr. Wilson's mags. I remember the barrel of my Kimber rusting too. So far the Colt has been fine. Nice fit, and a lot more balanced too, at least for me. I tried a couple of Kimber's similar pistols and the Colt just fit me better. But, maybe that's just with their commander models. So far I'm quite pleased with my pony.



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    Kimbers are over priced, assembly line pieces with high frustration rates but excellent marketing. YMMV

    If you like 'em fine, but as for me "Nevermore" sayth the Grape.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Kimbers are over priced, assembly line pieces with high frustration rates but excellent marketing. YMMV

    If you like 'em fine, but as for me "Nevermore" sayth the Grape.

    Yata hey
    I concur so sayeth the Gruu.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Kimbers are over priced, assembly line pieces with high frustration rates but excellent marketing. YMMV

    If you like 'em fine, but as for me "Nevermore" sayth the Grape.

    Yata hey
    Expensive, yes. Frustrating, no. At least not for me. I have an older full-sized CDP and a pocket rocket Ultra Carry I. They both digest anything and everything I feed them- ball, SWC, WC, JTC, Glasers, Hydrashok, Gold Dot, etc.

    I guess Kimbers are like the old adage about Timex watches: you either love them or you hate them.
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    MackTheKnife wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    Kimbers are over priced, assembly line pieces with high frustration rates but excellent marketing. YMMV

    If you like 'em fine, but as for me "Nevermore" sayth the Grape.

    Yata hey
    Expensive, yes. Frustrating, no. At least not for me. I have an older full-sized CDP and a pocket rocket Ultra Carry I. They both digest anything and everything I feed them- ball, SWC, WC, JTC, Glasers, Hydrashok, Gold Dot, etc.

    I guess Kimbers are like the old adage about Timex watches: you either love them or you hate them.
    Timex keeps on tickin' - my Kimbers (2) did not.

    Never were properly fixed by Kimber either. Fixed 'em (invalidating the warranty) and sold 'em. BTW - Wilson wouldn't even work on my Ultra-Carry - said they didn't work on Kimbers.

    Whatever winds your clock. You love 'em; I'll leave 'em. :P

    Understand that many people do like them. Carry on.

    Yata hey
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    Colts hold their value soooo well. And they look sooooo nice. I don't like the old style Colt sights.

    Congrats to TehGruu for you acquisition. Looks great.

    I've got a nice series 70 Commander in .45but seldom use it. If I could find my original grips, I'd put it up for sale. I do shootmy ColtDelta10mm. It's a fine gun.

    For .45 I rather like Smith & Wesson, especially theScandium models.I'd buy a Kimber if I could get one at a reasonable friggin' price. Though, I recently purchased a Target II in 10mm.



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    G'shot,

    Makes you wonder why some products, in this case Kimber, are great and yet others of the same brand are crap? HMMMM????????????
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    MackTheKnife wrote:
    G'shot,

    Makes you wonder why some products, in this case Kimber, are great and yet others of the same brand are crap? HMMMM????????????
    Lack of quality control.

    Kimbers are production line guns, not individually fitted. They contain MIM parts and apparently tolerances are loose. No flames on MIM, please.

    While this description may fit other manufacturers, it has been my personal experience that Kimber doesn't care enough to give the best follow through.

    I was even insulted with the statement that I must be limp wristing the gun. Replied that OK but if so it's the only one in my safe that causes me to do that and everyone that shoots it is doing the same thing. Like I said fixed 'em & sold 'em.

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    Oh, well. I'm not an expert but we all have our likes and dislikes. I'm not sure about what MIM is, but I will say this. Kimber took away a huge chunk of the market share fromColt when they started out. Kimbers were throated and polished while Colts needed some gunsmithing to feed hollowpoints. Whether you carry a Glock, XD, Springfield, Les Baer, Wilson, Rock River, etc., as long as it's 45ACP, ROCK ON!
    Mack The Knife sends.

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    MackTheKnife wrote:
    Oh, well. I'm not an expert but we all have our likes and dislikes. I'm not sure about what MIM is, but I will say this. Kimber took away a huge chunk of the market share fromColt when they started out. Kimbers were throated and polished while Colts needed some gunsmithing to feed hollowpoints. Whether you carry a Glock, XD, Springfield, Les Baer, Wilson, Rock River, etc., as long as it's 45ACP, ROCK ON!
    MIM = metal injection molding. Generally cheaper way to make small parts, can be very precise. Primary problem is that when the do fail, they do so catastrophically - crack, sheer or shatter - without warning.

    Agree on the matter of choice as long as it is .45ACP and preferably a 1911.

    Col. Sam Colt made all men equal. The Rt. Rev. John Moses Browning made them more equal.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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