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    So I'm visiting Vegas this weekend from Kali. I have a concealed weapons permit for Nevada. I want to carry a loaded gun in my packed bag, not on my person. I will be inebriated for most of the trip which would be illegal for me to have above a .08 carrying. Though, can I have my gun loaded in my hotel room laying in plain view on my bed or desk or must I have it loaded in my bags (right to privacy, noone can rummage through) or must I have it locked it I leave the room?

    Sorry dont mean for this to be such a CCW question but I just wont be open carrying in Vegas, especially because of all the money I have down on clubs.

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    Edit: I know I can have it in plain view when Im in the hotel room, my question is actually if I can have it loaded anywhere in the room while the room is empty.

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    Streetbikerr6 wrote:
    So I'm visiting Vegas this weekend from Kali. I have a concealed weapons permit for Nevada. I want to carry a loaded gun in my packed bag, not on my person. I will be inebriated for most of the trip which would be illegal for me to have above a .08 carrying. Though, can I have my gun loaded in my hotel room laying in plain view on my bed or desk or must I have it loaded in my bags (right to privacy, noone can rummage through) or must I have it locked it I leave the room?

    Sorry dont mean for this to be such a CCW question but I just wont be open carrying in Vegas, especially because of all the money I have down on clubs.

    Thanks




    Edit: I know I can have it in plain view when Im in the hotel room, my question is actually if I can have it loaded anywhere in the room while the room is empty.
    Actually, the limit is .10 (.08 for driving), but still it's not a good idea to carry while drinking. I wouldn't leave it out in plain sight at any time when housekeeping might come through. I have left guns in a non-locking bag in the room when I went up to Reno.

    I don't know of any laws concerning this (read: I don't think there are any). As far as I know, it's more of common sense issue. Do you want the cleaning lady to be able to play with your gun while you're not there? Maybe her son/brother/husband has mentioned wanting a gun, but can't buy one because he's a felon. Do you want to risk her taking it for him?

    If you do want to leave it out (loaded or not), at the very least, put up your "do not disturb" sign so no one will come in. Just don't complain if the room doesn't get cleaned.

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    Sounds reasonable. I know Hotels have signs that say no firearms on the premisis, so I'm confused if they can actually get me for anything if I did decide to carry and they realized I had it in my room in a duffle bag half the time.

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    Either use a safe in the hotel room, although they're easy to get in to, or go purchase a small lockable gun box, they're cheap insurance.

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    Streetbikerr6 wrote:
    Sounds reasonable. I know Hotels have signs that say no firearms on the premisis, so I'm confused if they can actually get me for anything if I did decide to carry and they realized I had it in my room in a duffle bag half the time.

    The signs on private property do not make it a crime to have a gun there, but trespassing laws do apply. I doubt they would be successful in prosecution for trespassing if you violated a small sign that you did not even know existed. I almost never notice such signs. Now if they confront you and tell you must leave or that guns are not allowed you must comply.


    NRS 207.200 Unlawful trespass upon land; warning against trespassing.

    1. Unless a greater penalty is provided pursuant to NRS 200.603, any person who, under circumstances not amounting to a burglary:

    (a) Goes upon the land or into any building of another with intent to vex or annoy the owner or occupant thereof, or to commit any unlawful act; or

    (b) Willfully goes or remains upon any land or in any building after having been warned by the owner or occupant thereof not to trespass,

    Ê is guilty of a misdemeanor. The meaning of this subsection is not limited by subsections 2 and 4.

    2. A sufficient warning against trespassing, within the meaning of this section, is given by any of the following methods:

    (a) If the land is used for agricultural purposes or for herding or grazing livestock, by painting with fluorescent orange paint:

    (1) Not less than 50 square inches of the exterior portion of a structure or natural object or the top 12 inches of the exterior portion of a post, whether made of wood, metal or other material, at:

    (I) Intervals of such a distance as is necessary to ensure that at least one such structure, natural object or post would be within the direct line of sight of a person standing next to another such structure, natural object or post, but at intervals of not more than 1,000 feet; and

    (II) Each corner of the land, upon or near the boundary; and

    (2) Each side of all gates, cattle guards and openings that are designed to allow human ingress to the area;

    (b) If the land is not used in the manner specified in paragraph (a), by painting with fluorescent orange paint not less than 50 square inches of the exterior portion of a structure or natural object or the top 12 inches of the exterior portion of a post, whether made of wood, metal or other material, at:

    (1) Intervals of such a distance as is necessary to ensure that at least one such structure, natural object or post would be within the direct line of sight of a person standing next to another such structure, natural object or post, but at intervals of not more than 200 feet; and

    (2) Each corner of the land, upon or near the boundary; or

    (c) Fencing the area.

    3. It is prima facie evidence of trespass for any person to be found on private or public property which is posted or fenced as provided in subsection 2 without lawful business with the owner or occupant of the property.

    4. An entryman on land under the laws of the United States is an owner within the meaning of this section.

    5. As used in this section, “fence” means a barrier sufficient to indicate an intent to restrict the area to human ingress, including, but not limited to, a wall, hedge or chain
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    Streetbikerr6 wrote:
    So I'm visiting Vegas this weekend from Kali. I have a concealed weapons permit for Nevada. I want to carry a loaded gun in my packed bag, not on my person. I will be inebriated for most of the trip which would be illegal for me to have above a .08 carrying. Though, can I have my gun loaded in my hotel room laying in plain view on my bed or desk or must I have it loaded in my bags (right to privacy, noone can rummage through) or must I have it locked it I leave the room?

    Sorry dont mean for this to be such a CCW question but I just wont be open carrying in Vegas, especially because of all the money I have down on clubs.

    Thanks




    Edit: I know I can have it in plain view when Im in the hotel room, my question is actually if I can have it loaded anywhere in the room while the room is empty.
    The legal limit is .10 while carrying a handgun , not .08. My understanding is that the BAC did not change when the DUI limit was changed to .08. Either way, I wouldn't get close to either of those numbers when firearms are present. Personally, I don't drink when I carry a firearm.

    If you're going to get hammered, having a loaded handgun lying around in your room is not a good idea. If you're going drink (and I like to), put the handguns away. Even if you are involved in a justfied shooting, you could get into trouble.

    GOOD LUCK!



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    you get get in trouble even if its a justified shooting. lvmpd policy is arrest the shooter first.

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    Pace wrote:
    you get get in trouble even if its a justified shooting. lvmpd policy is arrest the shooter first.
    I would think big trouble at that.

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    Pace wrote:
    Remember, there the law and the enforcement of the law. The directors of security work hand in hand with the police, so arguing whether or not you saw a sign wont to do you good. That being said, only a few casinos on the north strip have signs.


    Keep the weapon concealed and there is no issue. The casinos do not search for guns, nor really care if you are carrying unless they see it. They do not want their customers scared of US dangerous gun carrying nuts

    You will have no problem if its concealed and you keep it close to you.
    I haven't been to Vegas in a long time, so I have not had the opportunity to CC there. I have family in Northern Nevada, so that's where I go most of the time. The same is true up there. I have CC'd there without incident, even where there are signs posted. Of course, I have practiced my concealment techniques. Most will not notice. I realize that I would get asked to leave if security found out.

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    Pace wrote:
    Remember, there the law and the enforcement of the law. The directors of security work hand in hand with the police, so arguing whether or not you saw a sign wont to do you good. That being said, only a few casinos on the north strip have signs.


    Keep the weapon concealed and there is no issue. The casinos do not search for guns, nor really care if you are carrying unless they see it. They do not want their customers scared of US dangerous gun carrying nuts

    You will have no problem if its concealed and you keep it close to you.
    But, to be "trespassed," a sign stating "no weapons" is likely not considered "notification" under the law. Multiple threads have discussed this point. Now if you are told to leave once you are noticed with a firearm, as mentioned above, you must comply. At THAT point, it will become a "trespass."

    The Nevada trespass law cited above is with respect to signs that prohibit persons from entry. It is NOT a law that allows a sign stating "no weapons" to have the weight of law. (Not to be confused with gummint building postings).
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    I have a PM9, no one can see it, its perfect, its small, fits anywhere.

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    Pace wrote:
    I know there are multiple threads, but if you have a sign accordance to NRS and enter with a weapon, you MAY Be arrested depending on the officer.

    MOst security will just escort you out.
    My understanding is that a person cannot be arrested for concealing a firearm. They can have that person arrested for trespassing if he or she refuses to leave.

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    Pace wrote:
    I know there are multiple threads, but if you have a sign accordance to NRS and enter with a weapon, you MAY Be arrested depending on the officer.

    MOst security will just escort you out.
    The ONLY such signs I know of that have the weight of Law are those on buildings such as courthouses or schools. Privately owned businesses such as banks or casinos are simply businesses open to the public, which have no specific "no firearms" statute available.

    What "sign accordance to NRS" do you suggest? The NRS already quoted in this thread is for signage that is for "no trespass;" i.e., no public entry. It is NOT for choosing who to allow in a business open to the public.
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    Any establishment is allowed to set the rules and regulations for entrance. In theory, if you are violating those rules, you are violating NRS 207.200 (I'm doing this for memory, sorry) which states that you can not go onto a property for the purpose of annoyance. It could also be disturbing the peace since the R&R was clearly posted.

    IE, if it clearly states NO GUNS, and you bring a gun you are violating the rules and regulations for entry and causing a disturbance.

    As I mentioned, they will normally just ask you to leave. But unless you are an attorney, or someoen who is willing to fight, be careful.

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    If you leave anything of value out in the open in a hotel room when you are gone and the housekeeping people come in to clean, you get what you deserve, ie to have it stolen. With a gun, it's not only an unwise thing to do, it is irresponsible.

    Remember, a "right to privacy" is not going to stop a dishonest person from going through your personal belongings.

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    Pace wrote:
    Any establishment is allowed to set the rules and regulations for entrance. In theory, if you are violating those rules, you are violating NRS 207.200 (I'm doing this for memory, sorry) which states that you can not go onto a property for the purpose of annoyance. It could also be disturbing the peace since the R&R was clearly posted.

    IE, if it clearly states NO GUNS, and you bring a gun you are violating the rules and regulations for entry and causing a disturbance.

    As I mentioned, they will normally just ask you to leave. But unless you are an attorney, or someoen who is willing to fight, be careful.
    Pace, this is probably more of a philosophical argument on my part, but to be a gun owner, one need not be:

    English (how might a spanish speaking citizen be expected to read it?)
    Observant (I didn't see the sign.)
    Literate (I can't read the sign.)

    Now, these are all pretty lame excuses, but the signs still do not hold weight under the law. 207.200:
    1. Unless a greater penalty is provided pursuant to NRS 200.603, any person who, under circumstances not amounting to a burglary:
    (a) Goes upon the land or into any building of another with intent to vex or annoy the owner or occupant thereof, or to commit any unlawful act; or
    (b) Willfully goes or remains upon any land or in any building after having been warned by the owner or occupant thereof not to trespass,
    is guilty of a misdemeanor. The meaning of this subsection is not limited by subsections 2 and 4.
    2. A sufficient warning against trespassing, within the meaning of this section, is given by any of the following methods:
    (a) If the land is used for agricultural purposes or for herding or grazing livestock, by painting with fluorescent orange paint:
    (1) Not less than 50 square inches of the exterior portion of a structure or natural object or the top 12 inches of the exterior portion of a post, whether made of wood, metal or other material, at:
    (I) Intervals of such a distance as is necessary to ensure that at least one such structure, natural object or post would be within the direct line of sight of a person standing next to another such structure, natural object or post, but at intervals of not more than 1,000 feet; and
    (II) Each corner of the land, upon or near the boundary; and
    (2) Each side of all gates, cattle guards and openings that are designed to allow human ingress to the area;
    (b) If the land is not used in the manner specified in paragraph (a), by painting with fluorescent orange paint not less than 50 square inches of the exterior portion of a structure or natural object or the top 12 inches of the exterior portion of a post, whether made of wood, metal or other material, at:
    (1) Intervals of such a distance as is necessary to ensure that at least one such structure, natural object or post would be within the direct line of sight of a person standing next to another such structure, natural object or post, but at intervals of not more than 200 feet; and
    (2) Each corner of the land, upon or near the boundary; or
    (c) Fencing the area.
    3. It is prima facie evidence of trespass for any person to be found on private or public property which is posted or fenced as provided in subsection 2 without lawful business with the owner or occupant of the property.
    4. An entryman on land under the laws of the United States is an owner within the meaning of this section.
    5. As used in this section, “fence” means a barrier sufficient to indicate an intent to restrict the area to human ingress, including, but not limited to, a wall, hedge or chain link or wire mesh fence. The term does not include a barrier made of barbed wire.
    So I would conclude that if a Walmart, for example, is posted NO GUNS, but I go in OC or CC anyway, to do some shopping, I am not entering the land or building with intent to vex or annoy, to commit any crime, and I do have lawful business with the owner of the property.

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    Pace wrote:
    Honestly, you shouldn't argue this. Common law is very clear on this, in state and state about the right of any private citizen (or company) to regulate the standards and who they allow on their property. It's the same idea that gives us the right to protect OUR PROPERTY. Honestly, while the law is not on our side in Nevada per se, dont we all want the right to put no tresspass signs on our property, and if some one is in our back yard, pull a weapon and escort them?

    The right to property and to prevent unauthorized people from the property should be respected. Its an essential right that works both ways!
    Private property owners can do that can't they? I CAN post my private property "No Trespassing." I can post my property as described in the mentioned 207.200. The signage describes in that specific statute is to deny entry to a property, not to limit it to only those citizens preferred at a business open to the public.
    In other words, were I to follow the signage requirements in 207.200, I would be posting signs that deny entry to my property. I would not be posting signs that allow entry unless someone is wearing blue.


    In fact, my property already is likely to be covered under statute, as indicated by

    (c) Fencing the area.
    3. It is prima facie evidence of trespass for any person to be found on private or public property which is posted or fenced as provided in subsection 2 without lawful business with the owner or occupant of the property.
    Then take note of the number 3. "lawful business with the owner or occupant of the property."
    First, a business such as Walmart with signs indicating "no firearms" is not posted in accordance with subsection 2 of the statute.
    Second, a person entering a business for shopping does have "lawful business with the owner or occupant of the property," as does every other person shopping there.

    While it is normal that a business owner is allowed to deny entry or service at a whim, a sign denying entry to someone with a firearm (concealed or visible) is not a portion of trespass law in 207.200, until an agent of the owner or the owner informs you that you must leave the property (be 'trespassed'). In fact, the sign is not required for that to happen.

    A sign stating "no firearms" has equal weight under law as a sign stating "no shirt, no shoes, no service," except for the listed exceptions to firearms carry covered in statute 202.3673, and those will reference 202.3673.
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    wrightme wrote:
    First, a business such as Walmart with signs indicating "no firearms" is not posted in accordance with subsection 2 of the statute.
    Though I agree with your point, this is not necessarily supreme, since subsection 1 does state it is not limited by subsections 2 or 4.

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    I agree that the private property owners requests should be respected out of decency, and I try not to patronize places that have such signs. But the dangerous thing about giving such signs legal weight regardless of the circumstances is that they could have people arrested for not noticing the 8 point font letters saying "NO GUNS ARE ALLOWED" located 3 feet to the right of the door.

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    You forgot to mention that sign was also posted 12 inches off the ground and behind tinted glass.

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