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marshaul wrote:
So, how is it the fault of "people like YOU", then?
Before I respond, I have to mention a few things.
It's difficult to respond without getting off-topic from the original post. As I've been recently reminded by the moderating staff, if the massage is not obviously and directly related it will be be deleted.
You can't argue with the stupid, they will drag you down to their level where they can only see their own position, and in their own small minds, declare victory. A true argument is not about proving your point, but testing it. None here have presented a compunction to do that.
I have an entire blog dedicated to the idiocy, arrogance, and selfishness of conventional stupidity, often called conventional wisdom. To recite that work here in one message would be nearly impossible.
Fault.... Again you put words in my mouth. A more deliberately fraudulent position would be hard to set up. you fail on your own, but I will debunk it anyway.
Capitalism requires competition. I'll be the first to name Capitalism as the greatest engine of progress yet discovered by man. But it is not all sunshine and roses. This is not a criticism of it, or a condemnation of those who participate, as is often the arrogant a stupid retort.
For you to gain, another must lose. Some have a conscience about it. I'm one of those people. Sometimes I just have to quit a perfectly good job because I just can't tolerate myself for it anymore. I can't look at myself in the mirror or sleep at night knowing the spiderweb of destruction that 'earning a living' causes. Many people just don't give a damn. They prey on those who can't, or won't, be predatory themselves. This is what capitalism is all about. It is brutal and inhumane. Cry me a river, whatever, that's not the damn point, and your juvenile insults on the matter prove what a human failure you are.
The point is that some people end up on the bottom no matter what, some, like me, by choice and application or morals and common-sense. Some are just the ultimate in unlucky. And sometimes, but rarely, lazy do-nothings get to be there too. It is most commonly a morel choice not to cut another man's throat, or starve his children. Like it or not, that's what happens when Capitalism is no longer used as an economic model, but as a weapon for the demented pleasures of seeing others suffer. To take not for yourself, not for gain or profit, but merely to ensure that another has to do without. There is a difference between Predatory Economics, and Capitalism. Pretending that there isn't is common among the arrogant and sheltered. This difference is what has casued the failing of our economy. But there are other casualties than a slightly thinner wallet for the Predators.
The foundation of any and all 'coping mechanisms' are denial and self-delusion. This is absolutely KEY to the 'work ethic' of the conservative/republican. To deny that someone else has to lose for you to gain, is a fundamental impossibility in both Capitalism and Predatory Economics. In order for competition to exist, there must be insufficient commodity to go around. To deliberately create these insufficiencies, or to forcibly create a false need for something in short supply, is where one can draw a line between the two concepts.
Some people won't lie to themselves about it. Some people aren't oblivious. And sometimes, these people have a conscience.
In another category, there are people who just always get the short end of the stick no matter what.
The burden and and stress of being one of those people is tremendous. It is horribly depressing, and for people who fit those two types mentioned above, there is often no form of medication that can blind them to it and restore them to the 'ignorance is bliss' circumstance of the average, 'normal,' human being.
I have never seen hard or smart work pay off for anyone, ever. Including myself. I also recognize that a alrge part of that is geograpic. Florida is a horrible place with a huge divide between the wealthy, bored people who haven't a thing better to do with themselves but antagonize those who are poor. There is no middle class here. the Punitive nature of accelerated cost of living combined with taxes escalates far more rapidly than the income scale. If you aren't already rich beyond comprehension, you will very soon be impoverished, it does not matter what you do or don't do. Predatory Economics, not Capitalism, is all there is here. If you haven't the funds to enslave a few square miles of ghetto, then you're living in it. Grate care and design has gone into creating this society in which there is no chance at all for anyone who isn't born wealthy, and keeping it that way.
It gets to some people. And frankly, they've more guts than anyone who mocks them. It is not easy to kill yourself. Facing it myself is what has made me into the gun-toting Libertarian I am today. I've mentioned it on the forum before. Being told that it is actually ILLEGAL to take my life into my own hands, if even to end it, is the ultimate socialism/big brother load of crap there is. NO ONE controls me down the the ultimate finite end. And the only reason I am still here today is in defiance of those who think they have a right to do so. I'm not sick, I don't need pills, and I'm not the slightest bit unstable. I just have a very unique perspective that most people pretend does not exist to keep their conscience clear.
I some ways, I'm glad you haven't a damn clue and can be so arrogant. That is just one more human being that doesn't know the true ugly depths that exist in this society. I wouldn't even wish it on LEO 229. But seeing someone so arrogant and frankly, truly evil, as to mock something taht is very real and horrible, which they have absolutely no understanding of, it's about the most immature and derogatory thing I've witnessed in my entire life.
My son is everything and more, to me. If a man raped and murdered my son, I would hate him just slightly less than I hate you. Because you would do no less for a dollar and act like it's perfectly justified, all in the name of capitalism, your god. How many will you do it to and pretend it isn't real...
You can't argue with the arrogant any more than you can argue with the stupid. they know they are wrong, but enjoy it and the anguish it spreads. They get off on hurting other people, and just LOVE when they can cloud the waters and hide behind Capitalism. And these same people usually go to church and call their behavior 'good work ethic.'
I'm sure none of this makes sense to a majority of people that would read it. And that's just fine with me. You're ignorance will not prevent me from understanding the things you deny are real. If you didn't, you might end up like one of the guys these articles are aboout. You haven't got the strength or the guts to admit reality, much less face down your own self-inflicted end. Live in your Partisan world of convenient idiocies. Some of us deal with weights that would shatter your infant-like psyche. Some make it, some don't.
I've been down that road. And not from bad luck, by deliberate choice. I've never met anyone with more willpower or self-control than myself. And just like gun controllers, you think it needs to be wrested away, medicated, or just plain destroyed, just because you cannot even begine to grasp it. You presume danger in ignorance. Anything to give you an excuse to slander and control... The very same mindset that this forum is about squelching...
I know what these people are (were...) dealing with. I am sad that I WASN'T there.
The difference between community, and communism, is one that cannot be seen by those who pretend that Predatory Economics is really just a 'more equal' form of Capitalism. Better yet, deny it altogether...
If you haven't even been tested, how dare you mock those who fail it. This is what I mean when I say "people like YOU."