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Range suicide

metalman383

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We better close down all of the ranges now. They must all be evil! Probably shouldn't say that, i'm sure officials are already looking into that.
 

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Is it possible that all they had for rent was Hi-Points and these people were just too embarassed to go on living after being seen firing one?

OKAY!!! Before all you HiPoint folks jump in my S*&t that was a JOKE. This is a grave situation (no joke) and the opposite of gravity is comedy. :monkey:celebrate:monkey:celebrate:monkey:celebrate

Why would someone RENT a firearm to commit suicide? To save money over buying one seeing as he'll only use it once, like a tux? :celebrate Talk about a cheapskate! :celebrate

But seriously (and really) suicidal types are a dime a dozen. People jump off the Duke Ellington Bridge onto Rock Creek Parkway all the time. In fact I bet the proportion of people who have walked over that bridge to the number who have only walked halfway across is lower than the proportion of folks who have gone to a range and had a good time enjoying shooting to the very few poor souls who chose a range for self-elimination from the rat race.
 

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Well, at least he only offed himself. I just feel sorry for his friends and family, not to mention the poor guy that had to clean it up.
 

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Talk about a selfish, inconsiderate slug! He robbed the range owner of days of business, blocked local shooters from enjoying their sport, and worst of all - forced some poor soul to clean up his mess.

Contempt all around - his for those he deserted and from us for his cowardly and selfish exit.
 

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In a societal sense, why would the location of a suicide make a difference?

Should we give special attention to bridges just because people jump off them? Tall buildings? Should we mandate that allresidential car garages have carbon monoxide detectors wired to 911 auto-diallers in case someone tries to kill himself.

I can understand the gun range requiring a suicide waiver and related damages recovery clause in the rental agreement; but I can't see the press fuss as being legitimate.
 

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Now I know why I get these weird feelings every time I go to the local range. It must be something to do with the chemicals they are putting in the gunpowder. It must bea conspiracy to get all gun owners to off themselves. No need for a gun ban that way.
 

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JosephMingle wrote:
Talk about a selfish, inconsiderate slug! He robbed the range owner of days of business, blocked local shooters from enjoying their sport, and worst of all - forced some poor soul to clean up his mess.

Contempt all around - his for those he deserted and from us for his cowardly and selfish exit.
The ultimate way to kick em when they are down?

Mocking the suicidal, especially when they finally commit the act, is even lower.

People like YOU are why they do it. I've been there. You think of nothing but what others owe you, and how dare they leave without paying up...

Those who live such a sheltered and easy life as to not understand, have no place commenting on the matter. Some of us have to take all the bad so you can live the charmed life. Sometimes, we can't hack living with the consequences of others' actions day-in and day-out. Others being those who pretend there are no consequences, or are just plain dumb and oblivious. It just works out that some people flip the coin and it always lands tails. Be glad it isn't you, and stop insulting those who serve as your whipping boy.
 

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ixtow wrote:
JosephMingle wrote:
Talk about a selfish, inconsiderate slug! He robbed the range owner of days of business, blocked local shooters from enjoying their sport, and worst of all - forced some poor soul to clean up his mess.

Contempt all around - his for those he deserted and from us for his cowardly and selfish exit.
The ultimate way to kick em when they are down?

Mocking the suicidal, especially when they finally commit the act, is even lower.

People like YOU are why they do it. I've been there. You think of nothing but what others owe you, and how dare they leave without paying up...

Those who live such a sheltered and easy life as to not understand, have no place commenting on the matter. Some of us have to take all the bad so you can live the charmed life. Sometimes, we can't hack living with the consequences of others' actions day-in and day-out. Others being those who pretend there are no consequences, or are just plain dumb and oblivious. It just works out that some people flip the coin and it always lands tails. Be glad it isn't you, and stop insulting those who serve as your whipping boy.
You can cry crocodile tears for the most cowardly of the human race. It's pathetic how some people think based on a simple and short post they can have someone all figured out. Your response is so sophomoric that I refuse to waste any more of my time pointing out your foolishness.
 

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JosephMingle wrote:
ixtow wrote:
JosephMingle wrote:
Talk about a selfish, inconsiderate slug!  He robbed the range owner of days of business, blocked local shooters from enjoying their sport, and worst of all - forced some poor soul to clean up his mess. 

Contempt all around - his for those he deserted and from us for his cowardly and selfish exit.
The ultimate way to kick em when they are down?

Mocking the suicidal, especially when they finally commit the act, is even lower.

People like YOU are why they do it.  I've been there.  You think of nothing but what others owe you, and how dare they leave without paying up...

Those who live such a sheltered and easy life as to not understand, have no place commenting on the matter.  Some of us have to take all the bad so you can live the charmed life.  Sometimes, we can't hack living with the consequences of others' actions day-in and day-out.  Others being those who pretend there are no consequences, or are just plain dumb and oblivious.  It just works out that some people flip the coin and it always lands tails.  Be glad it isn't you, and stop insulting those who serve as your whipping boy.
You can cry crocodile tears for the most cowardly of the human race.  It's pathetic how some people think based on a simple and short post they can have someone all figured out.  Your response is so sophomoric that I refuse to waste any more of my time pointing out your foolishness.

big words from the bully who doesn't know when to quit.

You spent time to write an entire paragraph of arrogant screed, but can't be bothered to actually rebutt, because you haven't got the time...

That steaming load speaks for itself. I consider my position not only sustained, but reinforced by your own words and self-exposures. People like you are what pushes others over the edge.
 

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ixtow wrote:
People like YOU are why they do it.  I've been there.  You think of nothing but what others owe you, and how dare they leave without paying up...
Exactly! Blame it on other people. Because, you're entitled to their compassion! They're being so selfish, making you kill yourself by withholding the sympathy that you're entitled to!
 

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marshaul wrote:
ixtow wrote:
People like YOU are why they do it.  I've been there.  You think of nothing but what others owe you, and how dare they leave without paying up...
Exactly! Blame it on other people. Because, you're entitled to their compassion! They're being so selfish, making you kill yourself by withholding the sympathy that you're entitled to!

Nothing like putting words in someone's mouth and running with it to fully discredit yourself.

Nowhere in anything I wrote did I ask for compassion or even suggest intitlement to anything.

Careful, your arrogance and bias are showing.
 

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marshaul wrote:
So, how is it the fault of "people like YOU", then?
Before I respond, I have to mention a few things.

It's difficult to respond without getting off-topic from the original post. As I've been recently reminded by the moderating staff, if the massage is not obviously and directly related it will be be deleted.

You can't argue with the stupid, they will drag you down to their level where they can only see their own position, and in their own small minds, declare victory. A true argument is not about proving your point, but testing it. None here have presented a compunction to do that.

I have an entire blog dedicated to the idiocy, arrogance, and selfishness of conventional stupidity, often called conventional wisdom. To recite that work here in one message would be nearly impossible.

Fault.... Again you put words in my mouth. A more deliberately fraudulent position would be hard to set up. you fail on your own, but I will debunk it anyway.

Capitalism requires competition. I'll be the first to name Capitalism as the greatest engine of progress yet discovered by man. But it is not all sunshine and roses. This is not a criticism of it, or a condemnation of those who participate, as is often the arrogant a stupid retort.

For you to gain, another must lose. Some have a conscience about it. I'm one of those people. Sometimes I just have to quit a perfectly good job because I just can't tolerate myself for it anymore. I can't look at myself in the mirror or sleep at night knowing the spiderweb of destruction that 'earning a living' causes. Many people just don't give a damn. They prey on those who can't, or won't, be predatory themselves. This is what capitalism is all about. It is brutal and inhumane. Cry me a river, whatever, that's not the damn point, and your juvenile insults on the matter prove what a human failure you are.

The point is that some people end up on the bottom no matter what, some, like me, by choice and application or morals and common-sense. Some are just the ultimate in unlucky. And sometimes, but rarely, lazy do-nothings get to be there too. It is most commonly a morel choice not to cut another man's throat, or starve his children. Like it or not, that's what happens when Capitalism is no longer used as an economic model, but as a weapon for the demented pleasures of seeing others suffer. To take not for yourself, not for gain or profit, but merely to ensure that another has to do without. There is a difference between Predatory Economics, and Capitalism. Pretending that there isn't is common among the arrogant and sheltered. This difference is what has casued the failing of our economy. But there are other casualties than a slightly thinner wallet for the Predators.

The foundation of any and all 'coping mechanisms' are denial and self-delusion. This is absolutely KEY to the 'work ethic' of the conservative/republican. To deny that someone else has to lose for you to gain, is a fundamental impossibility in both Capitalism and Predatory Economics. In order for competition to exist, there must be insufficient commodity to go around. To deliberately create these insufficiencies, or to forcibly create a false need for something in short supply, is where one can draw a line between the two concepts.

Some people won't lie to themselves about it. Some people aren't oblivious. And sometimes, these people have a conscience.

In another category, there are people who just always get the short end of the stick no matter what.

The burden and and stress of being one of those people is tremendous. It is horribly depressing, and for people who fit those two types mentioned above, there is often no form of medication that can blind them to it and restore them to the 'ignorance is bliss' circumstance of the average, 'normal,' human being.

I have never seen hard or smart work pay off for anyone, ever. Including myself. I also recognize that a alrge part of that is geograpic. Florida is a horrible place with a huge divide between the wealthy, bored people who haven't a thing better to do with themselves but antagonize those who are poor. There is no middle class here. the Punitive nature of accelerated cost of living combined with taxes escalates far more rapidly than the income scale. If you aren't already rich beyond comprehension, you will very soon be impoverished, it does not matter what you do or don't do. Predatory Economics, not Capitalism, is all there is here. If you haven't the funds to enslave a few square miles of ghetto, then you're living in it. Grate care and design has gone into creating this society in which there is no chance at all for anyone who isn't born wealthy, and keeping it that way.

It gets to some people. And frankly, they've more guts than anyone who mocks them. It is not easy to kill yourself. Facing it myself is what has made me into the gun-toting Libertarian I am today. I've mentioned it on the forum before. Being told that it is actually ILLEGAL to take my life into my own hands, if even to end it, is the ultimate socialism/big brother load of crap there is. NO ONE controls me down the the ultimate finite end. And the only reason I am still here today is in defiance of those who think they have a right to do so. I'm not sick, I don't need pills, and I'm not the slightest bit unstable. I just have a very unique perspective that most people pretend does not exist to keep their conscience clear.

I some ways, I'm glad you haven't a damn clue and can be so arrogant. That is just one more human being that doesn't know the true ugly depths that exist in this society. I wouldn't even wish it on LEO 229. But seeing someone so arrogant and frankly, truly evil, as to mock something taht is very real and horrible, which they have absolutely no understanding of, it's about the most immature and derogatory thing I've witnessed in my entire life.

My son is everything and more, to me. If a man raped and murdered my son, I would hate him just slightly less than I hate you. Because you would do no less for a dollar and act like it's perfectly justified, all in the name of capitalism, your god. How many will you do it to and pretend it isn't real...

You can't argue with the arrogant any more than you can argue with the stupid. they know they are wrong, but enjoy it and the anguish it spreads. They get off on hurting other people, and just LOVE when they can cloud the waters and hide behind Capitalism. And these same people usually go to church and call their behavior 'good work ethic.'

I'm sure none of this makes sense to a majority of people that would read it. And that's just fine with me. You're ignorance will not prevent me from understanding the things you deny are real. If you didn't, you might end up like one of the guys these articles are aboout. You haven't got the strength or the guts to admit reality, much less face down your own self-inflicted end. Live in your Partisan world of convenient idiocies. Some of us deal with weights that would shatter your infant-like psyche. Some make it, some don't.

I've been down that road. And not from bad luck, by deliberate choice. I've never met anyone with more willpower or self-control than myself. And just like gun controllers, you think it needs to be wrested away, medicated, or just plain destroyed, just because you cannot even begine to grasp it. You presume danger in ignorance. Anything to give you an excuse to slander and control... The very same mindset that this forum is about squelching...

I know what these people are (were...) dealing with. I am sad that I WASN'T there.

The difference between community, and communism, is one that cannot be seen by those who pretend that Predatory Economics is really just a 'more equal' form of Capitalism. Better yet, deny it altogether...

If you haven't even been tested, how dare you mock those who fail it. This is what I mean when I say "people like YOU."
 

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ixtow wrote:
marshaul wrote:
So, how is it the fault of "people like YOU", then?
And just like gun controllers, you think it needs to be wrested away, medicated, or just plain destroyed, just because you cannot even begine to grasp it. 
Speaking of putting words in others' mouths... When did I indicate any such thing?

I think the choice to continue or end one's own life is indeed a personal choice, and I am not desirous of attempting to change that reality. At the same time, I still fail to understand why you think people commit suicide because of people like JosephMingle here.

But, I get it. I'm evil and you hate me almost as much as if I had raped and murdered your son. :quirky

Those are powerful emotions to feel about someone who you've had so little discussion with.
 

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marshaul wrote:
ixtow wrote:
marshaul wrote:
So, how is it the fault of "people like YOU", then?
And just like gun controllers, you think it needs to be wrested away, medicated, or just plain destroyed, just because you cannot even begine to grasp it.
Speaking of putting words in others' mouths... When did I indicate any such thing?

I think the choice to continue or end one's own life is indeed a personal choice, and I am not desirous of attempting to change that reality. At the same time, I still fail to understand why you think people commit suicide because of people like JosephMingle here.

But, I get it. I'm evil and you hate me almost as much as if I had raped and murdered your son. :quirky

Those are powerful emotions to feel about someone who you've had so little discussion with.
My reply was more directed at a general mindset, and not specifically you in all aspects.

Some character indicators tell much in a few words. Feel free to throw that in my face with no foundation... A zinger with no sting, and I already see it coming. Keep being 'normal' no matter how bad 'normal' gets...
 
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