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Batousaii wrote:
ixtow wrote:
Before I respond, I have to mention a few things.
1) I have an entire blog dedicated to the idiocy, arrogance, and selfishness of conventional stupidity, often called conventional wisdom. To recite that work here in one message would be nearly impossible.
2) Capitalism requires competition. I'll be the first to name Capitalism as the greatest engine of progress yet discovered by man. But it is not all sunshine and roses. This is not a criticism of it, or a condemnation of those who participate, as is often the arrogant a stupid retort.
3) For you to gain, another must lose. Some have a conscience about it. I'm one of those people. Sometimes I just have to quit a perfectly good job because I just can't tolerate myself for it anymore. I can't look at myself in the mirror or sleep at night knowing the spiderweb of destruction that 'earning a living' causes. Many people just don't give a damn. They prey on those who can't, or won't, be predatory themselves. This is what capitalism is all about. It is brutal and inhumane. Cry me a river, whatever, that's not the damn point, and your juvenile insults on the matter prove what a human failure you are.
4) The foundation of any and all 'coping mechanisms' are denial and self-delusion.
Rant #A) It gets to some people. And frankly, they've more guts than anyone who mocks them. It is not easy to kill yourself. Facing it myself is what has made me into the gun-toting *Libertarian I am today. I've mentioned it on the forum before. Being told that it is actually ILLEGAL to take my life into my own hands, if even to end it, is the ultimate socialism/big brother load of crap there is. NO ONE controls me down the the ultimate finite end. And the only reason I am still here today is in defiance of those who think they have a right to do so.
Rant #B) I'm not sick, I don't need pills, and I'm not the slightest bit unstable. I just have a very unique perspective that most people pretend does not exist to keep their conscience clear.
5) My son is everything and more, to me. If a man raped and murdered my son, I would hate him just slightly less than I hate you. Because you would do no less for a dollar and act like it's perfectly justified, all in the name of capitalism, your god. How many will you do it to and pretend it isn't real...
6) I'm sure none of this makes sense to a majority of people that would read it.
7) I've been down that road. And not from bad luck, by deliberate choice. I've never met anyone with more willpower or self-control than myself. And just like gun controllers, you think it needs to be wrested away, medicated, or just plain destroyed, just because you cannot even begine to grasp it. You presume danger in ignorance. Anything to give you an excuse to slander and control... The very same mindset that this forum is about squelching...
8) The difference between community, and communism, is one that cannot be seen by those who pretend that Predatory Economics is really just a 'more equal' form of Capitalism. Better yet, deny it altogether...
9) If you haven't even been tested, how dare you mock those who fail it. This is what I mean when I say "people like YOU."
1) Obviously focused on anger and hatred, and imposes this on others.
2) Later comments show obvious communist over tones.
3) Justifies #3 by using the formula from #4.
* Rantings of #A disprove #B *See #4.
5) wow .. really.. kids too? ~ How are they supported?
6) Agree very much,angry rambled rants areoften hard to understand.
7) Keptyourself poor so you can be angry about it, Justified by #B.
8) Refer back to #2 please.
9) Most of us here are tested daily... and have the willpower to pass, and keep passing, and keep pressing on through it all...
rebuke to 9) I live paycheck to paycheck, have earned what i have by crawling there... If you choose to be an epic-fail to "test yourself" so be it, but don't impose your delusionsandparanoia onto others who are simply trying to make it through this crazy world....
:?Sorry to be a jerk, but that rant was kinda disturbing (from an outside viewpoint). If you want to be seen as "normal", then be normal. If you act out of sorts, expect to be called on it.
Bat.
P.S. Yes i think it's too bad the guy killed himself. BUT, we have to realise that suicide is not as uncommon as we'd think, whole world considering. Us here getting all disturbed about it isn't gonna help anyone that's still alive and could actually use the help, like his family.
Aw, that's cute. The usual unsupported presumptions asserted as fact without consideration.
I've heard it all before. Thanks for stopping by. I know it doesn't suit you, which is the same reason you won't think it through any further than what does.
a) I'm not angry about being poor. I don't live a lifestyle that subjects me to the self-inflicted extortions of 'conventional thiking,' I do just fine without your silly 'needs' that aren't. I'd even venture to suggest that I live a fundamentally better and healtheir life than most rich people do.
b) Focused on anger and hatred, yes; the passive aggression of others who think nothing of it. That's life. Nobody gives a damn. Get over it. I'm not one of them.
No, I used letters to enumerate my own points about this response, not yours. Yours would only make sense to someone who subscribed to the same propaganda that you do. I'm sure there are jsut as many of 'you' as there are flamming liberals who subscribe to an agenda as well...
The matter is circular, and that's the whole point. Those who deny the consequences of their actions are pretending that it isn't circular. You may point at that as some form of debunking, but I see you admitting to know the truth and then laughing at those who pay the price as you mock them for it.
There is nothing communist about it. Not even the least. While the half-truths of communist rants often include some of this; that's why it's a half truth. Your predisposition to deliberately 'not notice' that, shows your bias and interest in promoting an agenda, not arriving at a truth. You'll only find observed fact in my statements. your immediate desire to class them with the half truths of communists is an embarrassment to your own argument and position.
Nobody, except the Mint, can "make money." Nobody, ever, anywhere on earth, in all of recorded history, ever, not even once, period, has ever 'earned' it either. When you work for a paycheck, you shortchange yourself. You have to. Your employer wouldn't make any money if he paid you every penny you were worth. Without his workers, he produces nothing, and has no product or service to offer. He owes everything to them, every single penny. And if he paid it, he would still have nothing... Something has to give, and it's not him, that would defeat the whole point. It's just a damn fact of how it works. This is where profit comes from; the employees' lack of pay. We try to keep it to a minimum, and get paid as much as we can for what we do. But the bottom line is that if we were ever paid what we were worth, even once, the company would be gone the same day. Then what? Duh.
Some people get shortchanged more than you do. That's life. Some of them, all the time, no matter what they do. For these people, capitalism is a fate worse than death. I don't blame 'em. I still think about it every day. I know I'm never going to have a good life. It's my choice to be a decent human being that I can respect. I'm not mad about it. In fact, I'm proud of it. I'm the only person I know that isn't a liar or a con-artist in some degree. Once you forget community in the name of mocking it as communism, you cross the line of capitalism into predatory economics. "It's not your problem." Both can go too far, I don't give a flying rodent's posterior if you refuse to accept it or not.
Somebody has to pay the price for your gains. That's how it works. If there were no shortage to compete for, no one would! Capitalism would fail. By it's very definition, capitalism requires the impoverished in order to perpetuate itself. Communism spreads it around so everyone can be; capitalism focuses it into the cross-section of the population that values morality above money. More people are rich, but those who pay the price for it; REALLY pay the price.
In communism, everybody just barely gets by. It sucks for everyone. But when Capitalism forgets community, it isn't Capitalism anymore. Just like community that forgets the individual becomes Communism. When it gets this far out of hand, where pretending that it isn't so, to a point of mocking the suggestion (I care not what you say of me), it's just Predation, like any other animal. When you stoop that low, you aren't even a human being anymore. And, separate from the rest of this debate, I personally feel that people who stoop to the level of an animal have no more rights than an animal; nothing at all wrong with killing them.
The very device, definition, and function of capitalism run amok (predatory economics), causes just as much damage as community run amok (communism). the difference is that communism spreads the misery equally, and predatory economics focuses it in greater severity onto a smaller portion of the population.
Look at Japan. The ultimate gun-hater's paradise. But highest suicide rate on the planet. What else do they have the highest of? Unchecked and absolutely brutal business minded society. Nothing matters but how hard you drive yourself to sacrifice your sanity and humanity to the profit of your company.
Go ahead and find out what nobody wants to talk about. Cross-reference the extremes of capitalism to suicide rates. The more 'competitive' the demographic, the higher the suicide rate. There are anomalies in everything, but you've never seen a more perfect match in any statistical gathering in your entire life, I guarantee it.
Nobody, especially not the politically indoctrinated, ever wants to admit that capitalism has a down side. EVERYTHING has a down side. Capitalism focuses it like a laser on to a few who bear the burden of those consequences.
Playing the communist card just because this it a right-leaning forums shows you just want to hide in the security of numbers than expose a real argument. I'm happy to talk about the down sides to both, you are in denial that there is a down side to your chosen crusade...
Your attempt to use amateur/armchair psychology fails miserably and exposes a LOT of projection.
There is no room left for someone who doesn't choose a side. Both are dead wrong. And being one who refuses to be blind to lies and evil, I'm one of the people there simply isn't any room for.
I rather well like it that way. I could be homeless and smile about it. I'm not one of the blind idiots tossed into the colloseum all killing each other over lies they fall for, all for the entertainiment of the elites. Go ahead and bicker about left and right... I know you're an idiot for even considering either of those position to be valid. I'm not above it, I'm just outside of it. I've accepted that both sides will relentlessly attack me and mock me and insult me. Whatever. It only proves me right.
Doesn't it suck to know there is someone out that really does have it all figured out, and the most you can do is put your foot in your mouth? Aw, how arrogant of me. I'll take a nap under newspaper on a park bench and still be right. My station or social status changes nothing. Wouldn't it be nice if someone else would grow up, so I could have someone to talk to....
He who stoops lowest, has the greatest rewards. That is the absolute definition of 'how things are' today. No good deed goes unpunished, and anyone who hesitates and fails to assault every single human being he sees, will end up at the bottom. Profit in America today comes from only 4 things; Lying, Cheating, Stealing, and Killing. You won't see one single penny without it. It is an absolute with no exception or loophole. It has been engineered carefully, to ensure there is no other way to survive but to get your hands dirty.
Given the choice between being the absolute evil, or not survive; I choose not to survive. And making that choice, I ended up survivng.
Lets see you sort that one out, Dr.
Some people just can't take it. They don't pass the test. Maybe they take pill, or ride a crotch rocket 150mph into an embankment, or shoot themselves at a gun range.
And then, there's me. The one who didn't erase himself and dares expose what you pretend does not exist. I passed. And you don't even know what I'm talking about, so you'll write it off as crazy talk and insult it like everything else beyond your understanding. It's human nature. Just like Liberals who can't figure out that guns are just a tool....
Do you stop thinking where it is convenient for your agenda? I'd have to say that describes... And pretty much every other 'normal' person, too.
To be a Man, and adult, is to deny the compulsion of instinct. To use one's higher intellect to be a Person, not an Animal. The most basic instinct is self preservation. I'm the only person I know who has parted with it. I'm not special or some 'only one' saying you can't comprehend me and I'm some miraculous superior being. You just choose not to test it. The agenda and propaganda is more comfortable...
And mocking the dead is easier than understanding them. And it's better that way. Just like Liberals who don't trust others to own a gun show their own unstable nature and are the real ones who shouldn't have a gun. Simple Projection. Assuming that others are as untrustworthy as you are. You show in your cowardly mockery that you probably can't handle what you would find if you turned over that rock and looked under it. Would you pass the test? Do you even know how to read the language it's written in?
Whatever man. I have way more respect for someone who takes the test and fails, than someone who can't even read it. Mocking them just shows me what you're really made of. I'm embarrassed of my species and all it's wasted potential, for your behavior.
Bat
