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    Ex-Flint police chief fatally shot man who apparently tried to rob poker room, owner says
    by Jared Field | The Flint Journal
    Wednesday July 01, 2009, 6:11 PM
    See complete story in Thursday's Flint Journal

    BURTON, Michigan -- Former Flint Police Chief Bradford Barksdale fatally shot a masked gunman who shot his way into a locked poker room early Wednesday in an apparent robbery attempt, the business' co-owner said.

    Barksdale was among those playing poker at about 1 a.m. when the suspect broke into the Palace Poker Room on East Bristol Road near Fenton Road, according to Al Crossnoe, who owns the business with son Adam. Barksdale's involvement was confirmed by numerous other sources.

    Barksdale, who stepped down as chief in 2004, is a regular at the poker room, Al Crossnoe said. The Journal could not reach Barksdale for comment.

    The masked suspect -- who has not been identified -- blew open a locked door with a shotgun and descended on a crowd of people playing poker about an hour before closing time at the business, Burton police said.

    Authorities have said one retired Flint police officer and one off-duty officer were among the 40-50 people ordered to the floor as the suspect waved his gun.

    Burton police said one of the officers then pulled out a gun and fatally shot the suspect. It's unclear how many shots were fired.

    Crossnoe believes Barksdale made the right decision based on the circumstances.

    "The guy's dead, and that's unfortunate," said Crossnoe, who was in the hall at the time of the shooting. "He may just have saved someone's life."

    The police report on the shooting will go to the Genesee County prosecutor's office to determine if it was justified.


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    High praise for ex-Flint police chief, Brad Barksdale, after killing shotgun-wielding robbery suspect at Burton poker room
    by Jared Field | The Flint Journal
    Thursday July 02, 2009, 2:03 PM
    File photoBrad Barksdale
    FLINT, Michigan -- Like the ex-Flint police chief himself, the people who know Brad Barksdale are shooting straight about their former comrade.

    Barksdale is being praised by many for the single bullet in the chest that killed a robbery suspect who shot his way into the Palace Poker Room in Burton early Wednesday morning with a shotgun.

    "That guy picked the wrong place to rob," said Keith Speer, veteran cop and president of the Flint Police Officer's Assocation. "He's not going to miss a target he's intending to shoot.
    Mlive.com were quick to applaud Barksdale as well.

    "(Barksdale) protected all the people in the poker room that had no idea what was about to happen to them," wrote poster vicit. "God only knows how many lives could have been taken by the gunman. Thank you for putting yourself in harm's way for all the patrons of the Palace. You are a HERO to me."

    Barksdale left the top police post in Flint as former mayor Don Williamson was poised to take over control of the city from Emergency Financial Manager Ed Kurtz in July 2004.

    Scott Kincaid, longtime member of the Flint City Council, said he hated to see Barksdale leave.

    "I thought he did an excellent job," Kincaid said. "He always impressed me."

    Burton Police are still working to identify the alleged thief
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    And this is the exact reason we need to get rid of Pistol Free Zones. Police are exempt, standard CPL holders are not. Had it of been me, or many of the other CPL holders here, we'd also be victims.
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    malignity wrote:
    Had it of been me, or many of the other CPL holders here, we'd also be victims.
    I'd have been open carrying, or I'd have been kicked out for open carrying. Either way, I'd have been armed at the time.
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    Yep me no play games with out my sidearm... they don't want my friend with me then they don't want my money!!
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    I've yet to see a casino allow open carrying. I imagine the same for a poker room.
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    This was an obvious case where the BG thought they would be unarmed!
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    malignity wrote:
    I've yet to see a casino allow open carrying. I imagine the same for a poker room.
    In MI, casinos CAN'T allow firearms. Thank your legislators. And since this LEO was off-duty/retired, he wouldn't have been able to carry were he in a casino, either. Casinos are like courthouses, you can only carry if you're an on-duty officer on official business.

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    I am not sure what they think a LAC would do in a casino... shoot the slot machine for keeping his money
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    zigziggityzoo wrote:
    malignity wrote:
    I've yet to see a casino allow open carrying. I imagine the same for a poker room.
    In MI, casinos CAN'T allow firearms. Thank your legislators. And since this LEO was off-duty/retired, he wouldn't have been able to carry were he in a casino, either. Casinos are like courthouses, you can only carry if you're an on-duty officer on official business.
    Off-Duty and retired police are not restricted to ANY pistol free zones. They can carry wherever they want. (I work with a few retired and part-time cops, and checked out their CPL's for comparison, and it specifically says they're exempt from all pistol free zones.)
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    malignity wrote:
    zigziggityzoo wrote:
    malignity wrote:
    I've yet to see a casino allow open carrying. I imagine the same for a poker room.
    In MI, casinos CAN'T allow firearms. Thank your legislators. And since this LEO was off-duty/retired, he wouldn't have been able to carry were he in a casino, either. Casinos are like courthouses, you can only carry if you're an on-duty officer on official business.
    Off-Duty and retired police are not restricted to ANY pistol free zones. They can carry wherever they want. (I work with a few retired and part-time cops, and checked out their CPL's for comparison, and it specifically says they're exempt from all pistol free zones.)
    This isn't a normal pistol-free zone. It's a separate administrative rule.

    In reading it, I was slightly incorrect. Any LEO defined may carry. Retired officers are not included. And anytime a LEO is in a casino, they're supposed to let the gaming board know.

    Rule 212. (1) An individual may not carry a firearm or other weapon in a
    casino, except for the following entities:
    (a) State, county, city, township, or village law enforcement officers, as
    defined in section 2(e) of Act No. 203 of the Public Acts of 1965, as amended, being §
    28.601 et seq. of the Michigan Compiled Laws.
    (b) Federal law enforcement officers, as defined in 5 U.S.C. § 8331.
    (c) Armored car personnel picking up or delivering currency at
    secured areas.
    (2) Law enforcement officers conducting official duties within a casino shall,
    to the extent practicable, advise the Michigan state police gaming section of their
    presence.
    (3) Private casino security personnel may carry handcuffs while on duty in a
    casino.
    The act that defines what an LEO is:

    (l) "Police officer" or "law enforcement officer" means, unless the context requires otherwise, any of the
    following:
    (i) A regularly employed member of a law enforcement agency authorized and established pursuant to law,
    including common law, who is responsible for the prevention and detection of crime and the enforcement of
    the general criminal laws of this state. Police officer or law enforcement officer does not include a person
    serving solely because he or she occupies any other office or position.
    (ii) A law enforcement officer of a Michigan Indian tribal police force, subject to the limitations set forth
    in section 9(3).
    (iii) The sergeant at arms or any assistant sergeant at arms of either house of the legislature who is
    Rendered Thursday, June 11, 2009 Page 1 Michigan Compiled Laws Complete Through PA 37 of 2009
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    commissioned as a police officer by that respective house of the legislature as provided by the legislative
    sergeant at arms police powers act, 2001 PA 185, MCL 4.381 to 4.382.
    (iv) A law enforcement officer of a multicounty metropolitan district, subject to the limitations of section
    9(7).
    (v) A county prosecuting attorney's investigator sworn and fully empowered by the sheriff of that county.
    (vi) Until December 31, 2007, a law enforcement officer of a school district in this state that has a
    membership of at least 20,000 pupils and that includes in its territory a city with a population of at least
    180,000 as of the most recent federal decennial census.
    (vii) A fire arson investigator from a fire department within a city with a population of not less than
    750,000 who is sworn and fully empowered by the city chief of police.

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    Maybe the Chief was just angry because the guy barged in while the Chief was holding a full house. You know how police are about using pretexts.


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    Indian casinos are another whole interesting deal because they are technically a sovereign nation! Just like reservations they can set there own rules and state law doesn't matter.
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    autosurgeon wrote:
    Indian casinos are another whole interesting deal because they are technically a sovereign nation! Just like reservations they can set there own rules and state law doesn't matter.
    Not entirely. Every tribal owned casino has an agreement with the State of MI. The MI gaming control board (and all the rules that come with it) apply in casinos. They have the power to restrict further, but all state rules still apply.

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    I should have been more clear. They tend to restrict non tribe members from being on their land with guns period. The only ones they allow in most cases are on duty LEO. This means that even in the parking lot you are breaking the law.. and yes I said law. They can try you in tribal court themselves for any tribal law that you break. My CPL instructor found out the hard way at the Casino in New Buffalo he went there off duty to eat in one of the buffets and locked his gun in the car. Little did he know that someone saw him unholster and lock it up. They reported it to security and lets just say his evening was ruined. He also refuses to go back there and spend any money due to the way they treated him.

    He hit this one pretty hard in the legal section of the class as he has personal exsperience with it. It took his boss getting out of bed and coming down and discussing with the indians the fact that his officers are required to carry off duty to get them to simmer down.
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    I think the retired police chief should get a medal not be investigated I would have shot him if it would have been here in jackson.The poker room here in jackson I go armed and its in a bar.

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    I don't think there is any doubt it would have been very bad had those two armed gentlemen not been there!
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