hawaidvr9
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I have said this in the past and continue to notice a pattern. LEO's often do not know the law or they simply do not care. I have said to my wife (we just got our car broke into while we were out of town) that the Spokane Police Dept. does not investigate property crime. That they are really only interested in writting traffic tickets, and responding to a crisis situation (all the better if there is a gun involved). But to actually protect and serve is all hogwash. I know that the people burglarizing homes and cars have done it in the past, and probably got caught or have their prints from another crime on file.
One would think it would be an easy case. Dust for prints, make a match and arrest the scum bag. However, Spokane Police Dept. chooses not to respond to property crimes.
Back to the on going theme. Most of you who OC have had some negative contact with LEO at some point or another. Ranging from being cuffed and stuffed or just detained and harrassed. None of which sounds like fun to me, sorry, but I am still carrying concealed. I have gone into convenient stores and pumped my gas with my pistol openly on my hip, however that is very minor compared to some others. The message continues to be the same, LEO's do not care if they are violating a persons rights, they see a gun and they "go gett'em". If I were an LEO I wouldn't bother with OC people, because what criminal openly carries a gun *NONE*.
However LEO's rarely have college degrees in law, most with just an AA or military experience. So they really don't have time to understand the laws, they just respond to what they see.
As I have said in the past, and will continue to say, Nothing is going to change with just a few people OC'ing here and there. The internet is a great thing but unless you have an interest in this message, the mass majority of people do not frequent "our" sites. I have had some disagreement on this but there needs to be an effort to make the law more clear. The law is vague, most agree to that. The law can beinterpreted by LEO's either way, depending on their personal views of civilians and guns.
I do not have the resources or the time to fully engage in a cause to change or clarify the law. However, a group such as this could pull together and do just that. Please do not make the argument that the law states this and that the supreme court has ruled this way, LEO's do not have the time or the education to stay current on what the Supreme court does and they interpret "brandishing" as "displaying" so your violating the law by displaying a gun on your hip.
Consider this
If a group were to make an effort to clarify the law or change it, that would create a ton of news coverage, that in turn can be helpful in getting people to get over their phobias and unnecessary fears of seeing a handgun on my hip, holstered and secured properly.
Please remember that the general public (not myself or others on this site) are the ones to convince (that includes LEO's). They all have views and interpretations of what is right and wrong.
Making an effort to change or clarify the law is a good idea and can be done if a group of people want to make the effort. We DO have the right to make law.
Stay Safe and don't act like sheep.
I have said this in the past and continue to notice a pattern. LEO's often do not know the law or they simply do not care. I have said to my wife (we just got our car broke into while we were out of town) that the Spokane Police Dept. does not investigate property crime. That they are really only interested in writting traffic tickets, and responding to a crisis situation (all the better if there is a gun involved). But to actually protect and serve is all hogwash. I know that the people burglarizing homes and cars have done it in the past, and probably got caught or have their prints from another crime on file.
One would think it would be an easy case. Dust for prints, make a match and arrest the scum bag. However, Spokane Police Dept. chooses not to respond to property crimes.
Back to the on going theme. Most of you who OC have had some negative contact with LEO at some point or another. Ranging from being cuffed and stuffed or just detained and harrassed. None of which sounds like fun to me, sorry, but I am still carrying concealed. I have gone into convenient stores and pumped my gas with my pistol openly on my hip, however that is very minor compared to some others. The message continues to be the same, LEO's do not care if they are violating a persons rights, they see a gun and they "go gett'em". If I were an LEO I wouldn't bother with OC people, because what criminal openly carries a gun *NONE*.
However LEO's rarely have college degrees in law, most with just an AA or military experience. So they really don't have time to understand the laws, they just respond to what they see.
As I have said in the past, and will continue to say, Nothing is going to change with just a few people OC'ing here and there. The internet is a great thing but unless you have an interest in this message, the mass majority of people do not frequent "our" sites. I have had some disagreement on this but there needs to be an effort to make the law more clear. The law is vague, most agree to that. The law can beinterpreted by LEO's either way, depending on their personal views of civilians and guns.
I do not have the resources or the time to fully engage in a cause to change or clarify the law. However, a group such as this could pull together and do just that. Please do not make the argument that the law states this and that the supreme court has ruled this way, LEO's do not have the time or the education to stay current on what the Supreme court does and they interpret "brandishing" as "displaying" so your violating the law by displaying a gun on your hip.
Consider this
If a group were to make an effort to clarify the law or change it, that would create a ton of news coverage, that in turn can be helpful in getting people to get over their phobias and unnecessary fears of seeing a handgun on my hip, holstered and secured properly.
Please remember that the general public (not myself or others on this site) are the ones to convince (that includes LEO's). They all have views and interpretations of what is right and wrong.
Making an effort to change or clarify the law is a good idea and can be done if a group of people want to make the effort. We DO have the right to make law.
Stay Safe and don't act like sheep.