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    It is going to be interesting to see how this plays out. Looks like shooter knew suspect.

    http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S1013253.shtml?cat=0

    Man jailed after killing burglary suspect A former Marine is charged with murder after he tried to bust two burglary suspects Saturday evening outside a construction business in Belen. 38-year-old Luke Sanchez was jailed Sunday, charged with one open count of murder. Friends of Sanchez say he's a former marine who served as a military policeman.

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    Deputies say Saturday night, Sanchez was driving down Highway 314 around 10:15 p.m. when he spotted two men leaving Enchantment Propane in a rush.
    Deputies say the two men had just burglarized the place.

    Sanchez got behind their vehicle to try to get a plate number. That's when deputies say the suspects stopped and one of them got out and approached Sanchez and smashed out his window.

    After a short fight, deputies say, Sanchez pulled out a gun and shot one of the suspects in the head, killing him.

    The other suspect took off and remains on the loose. Deputies were able to recover the vehicle, but say they have a lot more to investigate.

    Valencia County Sheriff's Deputy Chris Trujillo said Sunday, “We're going to continue interviewing the witnesses on scene, as well as try and determine who that second suspect was that fled the scene, and get him charged as well.” Friends of Sanchez say this is not the first time he's caught suspects committing a crime. They say he's been burglarized repeatedly out on his farm.


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    I don't understand why they charged him with murder. Does NM not recognize a shooting was in self defense when someone is trying to pull you out of your car while assaulting you? I feel sorry for anyone that gets carjacked....

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    I guess if you're armed in New Mexico that you shouldn't try to get the license plate of a vehicle that is involved in a felony! In fact, I guess you shouldn't even report a crime in progress! Why get involved?

    If the facts are as stated in the reports, this is an absolute outrage! This guy should be treated as a hero, not arrested for murder. He stopped a burglary in progress; one criminalwon't be committing anothercrime- what's the issue?

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    Don't be too hasty in your comments. At this point, all anyone knows is what the MSM [and in NM, that MSM is far left] tells you. There's much more to this than has been reported.

    One comment that should tell you which direction the MSM wants to slant the story was: A bizarre shooting in Belen leaves a former corrections officer dead, and a former Marine in jail charged with his murder.

    What does his past employment have to do with the possibility he may have been an actor in a burglary? If they were not involved in that burglary, why is his accomplice not stepping forward to tell officials what happened?

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    Even worse is the Albuquerque Journal headline today which screams "SELF-DEFENSE or VIGILANTE MURDER"! As I read it, the burglary suspect (Galbadon) came to the car windowof the former Marine Luke Sanchez who was still on the phone with 911 and broke the driver's window and hit Sanchez in the face several times. I would have shot Gabaldon also. It is a shame that the District Attorney's office stated" "Regardless of how the defense sees the case, a man is still dead, shot by the defendant." He should not be a defendant and the District Attorney should not have charged him with murder.

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    And this DA should be unemployed. Ace

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    On the TV news last night we also find out that this Marine hero also apprehended and held two burglars at gunpoint this past April. He saw the crooks walking on a ditch bank with stolen laptops and held them until police arrived. We need more citizens like this that are willing to stand up to the crime in this country. He uses his weapon as it is intended- to protect himself and others. I applaud this guy and am amazed that he has been charged with murder. At least his community is behind him. I hope it does not go all the way to trial, but if it does he will be acquitted.

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    Here is a copy of the KOB TV report:

    DA maintains murder charge in killing

    A former Marine charged with murder is back at home in Belen Wednesday after his family bonded him out.

    Luke Sanchez told authorities that a burglary suspect attacked him Saturday, forcing him to shoot. Many are urging the DA to drop the murder charge, saying the killing was in self-defense.

    But Valencia County Lemuel Martinez says a lot remains unknown about the case. And until more is learned, the murder charges will stand.

    "Until we know all of the facts, right now all we have is his side of the story," Martinez said. "It's very difficult to get the dead man's story, and it's very difficult to get the person that fled."

    Sanchez, back at home in Belen, refused to talk to reporters.

    But friend Jimmy Thompson says Sanchez told him he was pushed into shootingthe suspected burglar.

    Sanchez spotted Gary Gabaldon and another man the night of July 4 acting suspiciously outside a propane business. Investigators say the men were stealing supplies.

    Sanchez told deputies he was recording the suspect's license plate number when Gabaldon went after him, breaking the windows of his truck trying to pull him out.

    Sanchez shot and killed Gabaldon, say deputies. The other suspect got away.

    Martinez says as far as the law goes, self defense means the use of as much force as needed to repeal or neutralize an attack.

    So, if a person shoots someone attacking with a stick, it would be excessive and charges would follow. But if you shoot someone who is about to shoot you, it's considered self-defense. [/i][/b]

    The DA is urging any witnesses to the shooting or anyone who has additional information about what happened to come forward.



    Does anyone know where they got the idea that someone had to have a gun aimed at you before you can shoot them? They make it sound like you cannot use a firearm unless they have a firearm!!! That is incorrect, but I do not know where they got that.

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    snoball wrote:
    Martinez said. "It's very difficult to get the dead man's story, and it's very difficult to get the person that fled."

    Martinez says as far as the law goes, self defense means the use of as much force as needed to repeal or neutralize an attack.
    It's very difficult to get the dead man's story... Not impossible I guess. Are they going to interrogate the dead man? Sounds about right for this state. I mean if they find the other guy and get his story it's still not the dead guy's story right?

    Also, I thought self-defense meant just that: Self Defense. You defend yourself from harm or death by any mean's necessary. Come on people... If a woman who is about to get raped pulls out a tire-iron from her trunk, and the man is unarmed is that excessive force? This state (and nation for that matter) is getting ridiculous with the "feel good", "self esteem", political correctness.



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    Funny how when it's a police officer involved shooting its always justified even when the suspect is not armed with a gun, but another type weapon.

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    snoball wrote:
    SNIP But friend Jimmy Thompson says Sanchez told him he was pushed into shootingthe suspected burglar.
    Memo to self:

    1) Don't tell friends anything after a defensive shooting.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    44HP wrote:
    Funny how when it's a police officer involved shooting its always justified even when the suspect is not armed with a gun, but another type weapon.
    That is a very good point. If a person is coming at a police officer with a baseball bat they can use deadly force...no firearm is needed by the perp.

    I am hoping there is enough community outcry that the looney Prosecutor drops the charges.....of course they will say they "discovered something". But all they need to do is look at the circumstances. Did the Marine hit himself in the head and break his own window....after shooting an innocent man? Of course not. This poor man is going through hell for being an outstanding citizen protecting his neighbors and friends.

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    Thank you for responses. Based on the published info this seems to be a good shoot, defensive. Apparently there is some obscure relationship between the shooter and the thief. Maybe the DA felt obligated to do more investigation. He could have done it just as easily without holding Luke behind bars.



    The TV news tonight hinted that the DA may not press charges. Nothing confirmed, but I think the DA is hearing the public outcry.



    The Marine’s reason for shooting was that he was being threatened. The comments on the TV websites show that too many people think it was because he “was playing cop.” We do know that he was sitting in his car and was on the phone or had called 9-1-1.His window was broke out. Doesn’t sound like a cop to me.

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    News is coming out that the dispatcher on the 911 call ASKED him to try to get the license plate. How is that vigilantism?

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    wow. i wish DAs could be held accountable for their ****** decisions. look at what he's putting the family through for the sake of "justice" and will probably end up dropping the charges all together, so this will all be for nothing. AWESOME! (heavy sarcasm for those that are a bit thicker than others).

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    On the news last night the reporter asked the ignorant sheriff why they charged him before they investigated. He replied that he admitted shooting the man!!!!! No kidding. Did he not realize that he was on 911 and was assaulted after having his window broken out? A rural area in Valencia county is a strange place to arrest an honest farmer that has a history of helping the police and community. Usually they are more understanding of these situations that the big cities.

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    this is EXACTLY why if it does not personally concern you--stay out of it.

    but what I found "funny" was this comment from the brother, with what I am looking at addressing in bold "He's not a thief, and nobody deserves to kill anybody or shoot anybody and try to justify self-defense. You don't kill anybody, you just don't," Louie Gabaldon said Sunday.


    SO according to the brother--there is no such thing as self-defense. Great, there goes all of the police shootings of criminals, swat raids, and war--because war is legalized killing on a massive scale. Criminals can no longer shoot or hurt anyone, the police can never use force against criminals, and the military can never conduct warfare....GREAT, now everyone from the government, to the military to the criminals can all get rid of their guns--and then the people can do the same. While this shooting could have been avoided, the brother is not the brightest bulb if he thinks there is never a justified use of self defense.


    You DO defend yourself when you or your family is threatened--but you should never stick your nose into business that does not concern you. And THAT is exactly what has the former marine in jail now--whereas if he had simply minded his own business he might still be free.

    There is a thing called self-defense, but if the liberals have their way--it won't last long.

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    SpaceCase wrote:
    News is coming out that the dispatcher on the 911 call ASKED him to try to get the license plate. How is that vigilantism?

    -Space

    if I had called 911 and they asked me to do that, I would have told them to do it themselves if they want it, and then hang up the phone.

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    Citizen wrote:
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    SNIP But friend Jimmy Thompson says Sanchez told him he was pushed into shootingthe suspected burglar.
    Memo to self:

    1) Don't tell friends anything after a defensive shooting.
    (2) always keep your mouth shut and never make a statement until AFTER you speak to your lawyer--and then let them talk for you.

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    44HP wrote:
    Funny how when it's a police officer involved shooting its always justified even when the suspect is not armed with a gun, but another type weapon.
    Isn't it great to have two sets of rules--one for the common peasants and one for the "specialized classes" such as "police" and "politicians"...

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    suntzu wrote:
    this is EXACTLY why if it does not personally concern you--stay out of it.
    You DO defend yourself when you or your family is threatened--but you should never stick your nose into business that does not concern you. And THAT is exactly what has the former marine in jail now--whereas if he had simply minded his own business he might still be free.
    Wow... I hope we're not neighbors.

    If your wife or child or even you are being beaten, raped, or otherwise harmed...

    "It's none of my business"

    Come to think of it, with your rules if your house is on fire it's none of my business either huh?


    Please don't move in to my neighborhood.

    Peace.


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    GMF_Len wrote:
    suntzu wrote:
    this is EXACTLY why if it does not personally concern you--stay out of it.
    You DO defend yourself when you or your family is threatened--but you should never stick your nose into business that does not concern you. And THAT is exactly what has the former marine in jail now--whereas if he had simply minded his own business he might still be free.
    Wow... I hope we're not neighbors.

    If your wife or child or even you are being beaten, raped, or otherwise harmed...

    "It's none of my business"

    Come to think of it, with your rules if your house is on fire it's none of my business either huh?


    Please don't move in to my neighborhood.

    Peace.
    And look what the former Marine got for his trouble.... He is now charged with murder simply because he charged in to the rescue over something that did not involve any threat of seriously bodily injury or death...

    and yes, if I come up on something similar where a crime is being committed that does not involve the threat of serious bodily injury or death to another person--simple property crime for example...yes I would mind my own business, and while I would call the police, I would NOT volunteer to get more info if the police asked me to get it for them. I would say--send an officer, do your job and get the information you want yourselves. The only info I would give them when I called would be the address of the place, and as good a description as I could get without getting too close to them...

    Yes you took what I said wrong. No I would not stand by and watch someones house burn down.


    Yes I tend to mind my own business unless the incident involves the threat of serious injury or death. Yes, it is possible that if the Marine had used any common sense at all he would not most likely be charged with murder today.

    He should have hung up when the police asked him to go closer and get info, and yes, with a simple property crime as was reported in the news--he should have minded his own business--he called the police--with a simple property crime that is enough.

    Pick and choose your battles--the Marine forgot this, if he learned it at all. But hindsight is 20/20

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    "I would say--send an officer, do your job and get the information you want yourselves." -- suntzu


    I agree...after all, isn't thatwhat they were HIRED to do? Police work, right?

    Yet the police seem to have a higly unique job andone unlike any the rest of us have or ever had: To do THEIR job, they are regularly asking for help from the public, yet then tell the public how to help, i.e., do this, do not do that. I don't see howthe policecan ask for help to do THEIR job as often as they do and then put restrictions (or disclaimers) on how said help is to be provided.

    Beggars can't be choosers, can they?

    MOSTOTHER JOBSI am aware of expect employees to do what they were hired to doWITHOUT any outside help...or said employees are fired for not getting it done.I believe cops should be held to the same standard: Don't ask for help like some incompetent or lazy slacker, YOU do the job you were hired to do. If you can't then find some other line of work. The REST OF US have/had to do our jobs without asking for help, so why can't the police?

    It must be great to be hired for some job, then regularly ask others for help doing it.Peoplelike that shouldbe ashamed.

    As for me (and cops needing or not needing lots of help to do their job has nothing to do with it) I am a "get involved" type of guy. I wouldn't have had to be asked to get the license plate of a car apparently involved in a felony being committed, I'd just DOit. Likewise, if the POSs tried to harm me -- and I WOULDexpect them to try --my gun would be ready to go in my lap and I'd kill them without any hesitation (most likely from inside my car).

    Again though, it's a shame citizens have to be more concerned about "the law" than they are of street trash punk criminals...who don't care whatsoever.

    And it's pathetic that the police are always asking for help to do a job THEY were hired to do.

    -- John D.



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    cloudcroft wrote:

    And it's pathetic that the police are always asking for help to do a job THEY were hired to do.

    -- John D.
    Indeed it is...and if you get hurt trying to gather that information for them do you think they would compensate you for your medical bills? Noooo....they would be on the 6pm news telling the people "you really need to let the "professionals" handle this....."---it is pathetic the way they do.

    I would never allow them to talk me into gathering "more information" for them--if they want it, then they can send a guy out to get it themselves.



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    GMF_Len wrote:
    suntzu wrote:
    this is EXACTLY why if it does not personally concern you--stay out of it.
    You DO defend yourself when you or your family is threatened--but you should never stick your nose into business that does not concern you. And THAT is exactly what has the former marine in jail now--whereas if he had simply minded his own business he might still be free.
    Wow... I hope we're not neighbors.

    If your wife or child or even you are being beaten, raped, or otherwise harmed...

    "It's none of my business"

    Come to think of it, with your rules if your house is on fire it's none of my business either huh?


    Please don't move in to my neighborhood.

    Peace.
    Until our crappy government has our back on this type of thing I really don't think its a good idea either. Inever met anyone worthy of possibly losing my freedom over. I'll stick to myself and family.

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