Veritas
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DrTodd wrote:
DrTodd wrote:
I have a bigger problem w/ the sign issue... just leads to a possible decision we don't like. You're focusing on giving the sign more power over the CPL, and I'm focusing on giving the CPL more power over the sign. I think that's the difference between our perspectives.
I'm not asking for lawmakers to consider redefining what a sign means, but to consider redefining what a CPL means. The signs "power" (for lack of a better word), for all intents and purposes, will remain unchanged. Only the CPL's power will change... as in the power to avoid prosecution for trespassing (or any other prosecutions that may come from needing to legally use your weapon in defense of yourself and others) for choosing to conceal.
Also, since people don't want to get CPL or can't afford, what do they do under Veritas' proposal. Too many hopes for the legislature to uphold granting more privileges and, if we give in on any point, it opens the door for further regulation. This doesn't just apply to CPL holders. I'm calling for the opening of firearm carrying in all areas that currently require a CPL. Schools, bars, movie theaters, etc. But only if weapons are OPEN CARRIED in such places. Currently, you NEED a CPL to open carry in these places. I'm saying we should scrap that... I'm saying that a CPL should have nothing to do with the practice of open carrying; that it should deal with CONCEAL carry ONLY. In addition to making it legal to open carry in these places without a CPL, I propose that the CPL lift the restrictions that currently prohibit us from concealing in said same.
So these folks who can't afford CPL's would now be Constitutionally-protected in open carrying their pistol in Meijer (or other liquor stores), movie theaters, etc. without comitting a felony. And, in the event that these private property owners put up a sign that can charge you with trespassing for open carrying, that a CPL holder should be able to circumvent that by conceal-carrying in said same without committing felony CCW.
I propose allowing the property owners the right to post signs preventing open carriers from entering without being charged with trespassing (as things currently stand... I am merely proposing that it remains unchanged). NOTE: I am not suggesting these signs make it illegal to carry a firearm, but rather. they make it illegal for YOU TO ENTER with a firearm. There are no firearms violations, but you would be trespassing. I support protecting private property rights in this manner.
However, I support that those with CPL's should be able to disregard these signs in public places (I'm talking about places open to the public, but that are privately owned, which is different from private residences), as we can already. But I seek to add the element of protection for CPL holders only (as part of our earned privilige) of not facing charges of trespassing (or any other offense), if we are to draw our weapon in defense of ourselves or others.
This is pretty much it.