bullet proof vests and leg holsters???

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dirtykoala wrote:

I was told by a friend (who also told me UOC was illegal without a permit) that wearing a bullet proof vest is illegal in CA. i figured i would look for info on here since people seem to know what they are talking about. the one vest that may or may not be in question is a thin one, no trauma plates, eaisly concealable under a t-shirt, it would just make you look a little fat. i want to wear one while carrying because like ive mention in another topic, a leo told me that UOC is dangerous because a rookie cop might get scared and pull the trigger.

leg holsters... legalfor CAUOC or not? i think that wearing one is gonna make me look like im trying to be "tacticool" or maybe a littledorky, but it seems like it might be safer around rookie cops that might pull the trigger if i can avoid having my hand near my gun while reaching for my wallet, or cigarettes or what ever.

thoughts on the leg holster? facts on the vest?

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There is no prohibition on a non-Leo for wearing a vest - except in the commision of a crime (felony?).

Exposed Leg/thigh holsters;i.e. not a concealed ankle rig - they are not statutorily exempt like a belt/waist holster is. I don't even think Theseus' DA would try to prosecute a thigh rig as 'concealed'.

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I think your friend needs to actually read the penal code. Neither a bullet proof vest or a leg holster is going to be illegal UNLESS that leg holster makes the gun concealed.

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Some political groups would try to accuse you of intent (of something sinister) if you had these items. Some groups are attempting to label you a "domestic terrorist" if you have these items. Afterall why would you need something like that? (Hints of sarcasm detected) :shock:
It's totally ridiculous but that is the direction things seem to be taking.

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mjones wrote:

There is no prohibition on a non-Leo for wearing a vest - except in the commision of a crime (felony?).

Exposed Leg/thigh holsters;i.e. not a concealed ankle rig - they are not statutorily exempt like a belt/waist holster is. I don't even think Theseus' DA would try to prosecute a thigh rig as 'concealed'.

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I finally had a chance to lookup the site for my own post: Geeberz, what a nasty chain of references; I think I caught them all...

12022.2. (a) Any person who, while armed with a firearm in the
commission or attempted commission of any felony, has in his or her
immediate possession ammunition for the firearm designed primarily to
penetrate metal or armor, shall upon conviction of that felony or
attempted felony, in addition and consecutive to the punishment
prescribed for the felony or attempted felony, be punished by an
additional term of 3, 4, or 10 years. The court shall order the
middle term unless there are circumstances in aggravation or
mitigation. The court shall state the reasons for its enhancement
choice on the record at the time of the sentence.
(b) Any person who wears a body vest in the commission or
attempted commission of a violent offense, as defined in subdivision
(b) of Section 12021.1, shall, upon conviction of that felony or
attempted felony, in addition and consecutive to the punishment
prescribed for the felony or attempted felony of which he or she has
been convicted, be punished by an additional term of one, two, or
five years. The court shall order the middle term unless there are
circumstances in aggravation or mitigation. The court shall state
the reasons for its enhancement choice on the record at the time of
the sentence.
(c) As used in this section, "body vest" means any
bullet-resistant material intended to provide ballistic and trauma
protection for the wearer.


12021.1. ...
(b) As used in this section, a violent offense includes any of the
following:
(1) Murder or voluntary manslaughter.
(2) Mayhem.
(3) Rape.
(4) Sodomy by force, violence, duress, menace, or threat of great
bodily harm.
(5) Oral copulation by force, violence, duress, menace, or threat
of great bodily harm.
(6) Lewd acts on a child under the age of 14 years.
(7) Any felony punishable by death or imprisonment in the state
prison for life.
(8) Any other felony in which the defendant inflicts great bodily
injury on any person, other than an accomplice, that has been charged
and proven, or any felony in which the defendant uses a firearm
which use has been charged and proven.
(9) Attempted murder.
(10) Assault with intent to commit rape or robbery.
(11) Assault with a deadly weapon or instrument on a peace
officer.
(12) Assault by a life prisoner on a noninmate.
(13) Assault with a deadly weapon by an inmate.
(14) Arson.
(15) Exploding a destructive device or any explosive with intent
to injure.
(16) Exploding a destructive device or any explosive causing great
bodily injury.
(17) Exploding a destructive device or any explosive with intent
to murder.
(18) Robbery.
(19) Kidnapping.
(20) Taking of a hostage by an inmate of a state prison.
(21) Attempt to commit a felony punishable by death or
imprisonment in the state prison for life.
(22) Any felony in which the defendant personally used a dangerous
or deadly weapon.
(23) Escape from a state prison by use of force or violence.
(24) Assault with a deadly weapon or force likely to produce great
bodily injury.
(25) Any felony violation of Section 186.22.
(26) Any attempt to commit a crime listed in this subdivision
other than an assault.
(27) Any offense enumerated in subdivision (a), (b), or (d) of
Section 12001.6.
(28) Carjacking.
(29) Any offense enumerated in subdivision (c) of Section 12001.6
if the person has two or more convictions for violating paragraph (2)
of subdivision (a) of Section 417.


186.22. [criminal street gang stuff]

12001.6. As used in this chapter, an offense which involves the
violent use of a firearm includes any of the following:
(a) A violation of paragraph (2) or (3) of subdivision (a) of
Section 245 or a violation of subdivision (d) of Section 245.
(b) A violation of Section 246.
(c) A violation of paragraph (2) of subdivision (a) of Section
417.
(d) A violation of subdivision (c) of Section 417.


417. [essentially brandishing]

245. [essentially assault with a deadly weapon (ADW)]

246. Any person who shall maliciously and willfully discharge a
firearm at an inhabited dwelling house, occupied building, occupied
motor vehicle, occupied aircraft, inhabited housecar...

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While this is not illegal I can hear the responses from the officers to this.. But i am going to have to agree that this is probably a good idea to to.. I keep noticing Officers with their booger fingers on the boom switch when they stop me. I am seriously considering this. However, If you do decide to vest up make sure you drink more water and i highly recommend wear underarmor tshirts under this will reduce body temp and keep you cool

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I'm not sure why pedophilia is worse when you're wearing a vest... The corollary to that would be that pedophilia is less bad when you're not wearing a bullet proof vest. That not wearing the vest is somehow a mitigating factor to the harm done to the victim. :quirky

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KylaGWolf wrote:

I think your friend needs to actually read the penal code. Neither a bullet proof vest or a leg holster is going to be illegal UNLESS that leg holster makes the gun concealed.

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take into account the city of los angeles has a law that prohibits anyone who does not have a permit(police,armed security or ccw) from wearing a holster-i dont have the exact codes and such but it is a city ord.

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brokenbarrel wrote:

KylaGWolf wrote:

I think your friend needs to actually read the penal code. Neither a bullet proof vest or a leg holster is going to be illegal UNLESS that leg holster makes the gun concealed.

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take into account the city of los angeles has a law that prohibits anyone who does not have a permit(police,armed security or ccw) from wearing a holster-i dont have the exact codes and such but it is a city ord.

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I think this is the second post I've seen in which you make this assertion. Please provide a cite. I've searched both the LA City and County Codes and have not found any such law/restriction etc. I am not guaranteeing the absence of any such law but if you are going to assert the existence of such a law, please provide a citation.

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brokenbarrel wrote:

KylaGWolf wrote:

I think your friend needs to actually read the penal code. Neither a bullet proof vest or a leg holster is going to be illegal UNLESS that leg holster makes the gun concealed.

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take into account the city of los angeles has a law that prohibits anyone who does not have a permit(police,armed security or ccw) from wearing a holster-i dont have the exact codes and such but it is a city ord.

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This is PURE FUD.