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National call to action S.845

Mississippian

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Please call your U.S. Senators ASAP!

As you may recall, earlier this year Senator John Thune (SD) introduced S.845, the "Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009". If enacted, S.845 would allow individuals who have a concealed carry permit the ability to carry a firearm in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. As things stand now, some states refuse to honor concealed weapons permits from other states. This bill will go a long ways towards ensuringyour safety when you are on the road.

Senator Thune plans to modify the text of S.845 and offer it as an amendment to the Defense Authorization bill that is currently being debated on the Senate floor. He needs your help to get enough votes to pass his amendment and get it included in the Defense bill.

Senator Thune may offer his amendment as soon as today. Please call your Senators IMMEDIATELY and urge them to support this amendment. Your message to them and their staff can be as simple as, "I am from (hometown, home state) and I ask that the Senator votes in support of Senator Thune's conceal carry amendment to the Defense bill."
Contact information for those of us in MS.

Senator Thad Cochran
Phone: 202-224-5054

Senator Roger F. Wicker
Phone: 202-224-6253
 

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Not quite...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-845&tab=summary

4/21/2009--Introduced.

Respecting States Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009 - Amends the federal criminal code to provide for reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms in states that allow their residents to carry such firearms by persons who are not prohibited by federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm and who are: (1) carrying a valid state license or permit for carrying a concealed firearm; or (2) otherwise entitled to carry a concealed firearm in their state of residence.
Maybe better than what we have now, but it's not the golden apple either.

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Someone needs to take a closer look at this bill.

Does it or does it not cover non-resident permit holders? For example, would a Utah or Florida permit-holder who lives in a third state be covered?

According to the summary paragraph of the full text of the bill, the answer would seem to be "no":

A BILL

To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to allow citizens who have concealed carry permits from the State in which they reside to carry concealed firearms in another State that grants concealed carry permits, if the individual complies with the laws of the State.
But if you read the actual paragraphs (1) and (2) of the bill, it seems to be the intent to cover (1) permit holders of any state and (2) residents of states who do not require permits to carry concealed.

Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof:

(1) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry a concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license or permit in any State that allows its residents to carry concealed firearms, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.

(2) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and is otherwise than as described in paragraph (1) entitled to carry a concealed firearm in and pursuant to the law of the State in which the person resides, may carry a concealed firearm in accordance with the laws of the State in which the person resides in any State that allows its residents to carry concealed firearms, subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.’.
It sounds to me like the resident requirement only applies to those who live in states that do not issue or require permits to carry concealed.

Need some legal eyes on this one!

TFred
 

Zed Snardbody

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The only down side to this passing is it would end my impossible quest!

I decided last year that the one impossible thing I would try and do is get a non resident California CCW.
 

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I dont understand what the requirments would be then for people who live in states that do not require you to take some sort of NRA or Police Instructor type course where there is a minimal hour requirement say like 12 hours in Ohio.
 

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It should be just like drivers licenses, each state has slightly different requirements for a drivers license but every state honers every other states drivers license. Each driver is expected to obay the driving laws of each state, there are differences.


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I do not remember what state it is but there is a state out west that just requires you to fill out paperwork,which I think is pretty cool,since I Would rather not have some Police instructor or the NRA to CC why do I need someone else to tell me that I am safe to CC.ITS just a way for them to get money out of your pocket and to make a fed law that regulates OC and then straight up on the ban of RKBA.
 

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Sec. 2 of this amendment was authored to cover Vermont & Alaska, ensuring that citizens of those states are not denied the same "privileges" of carrying concealed since their states do not issue concealed carry permits.
 

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Maybe I am missing something here. The OP said the bill would cover "all 50 states" AND D.C.

However the text of the bill says the reciprocity would apply to "states which allow their residents to carry concealed firearms". It says nothing about "No-Issue" states nor the District of Columbia.

If it DID include the District of Columbia it could be titled " and District of Columbia Safer Streets Act". Can you imagine how fast crime would go down in D.C. if the goblins couldn't tell if they were dealing with an armed Virginian and not the shorn sheep that D.C. residents still - despite Heller - are?
 

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Alexcabbie wrote:
Maybe I am missing something here. The OP said the bill would cover "all 50 states" AND D.C.

However the text of the bill says the reciprocity would apply to "states which allow their residents to carry concealed firearms". It says nothing about "No-Issue" states nor the District of Columbia.

If it DID include the District of Columbia it could be titled " and District of Columbia Safer Streets Act". Can you imagine how fast crime would go down in D.C. if the goblins couldn't tell if they were dealing with an armed Virginian and not the shorn sheep that D.C. residents still - despite Heller - are?
I think it was the OP that was missing the details...

TFred
 

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Am I the only one who thinks this is a terrible idea, and that this is the completely wrong approach to fix the nationwide carry problem? :?
 

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SGT Jensen wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks this is a terrible idea, and that this is the completely wrong approach to fix the nationwide carry problem? :?
Where the States are concerned maybe. But Congress has absolute authority over the District and can overrule the idiots who hold office in that low-rent Lichtenstein any time. And it would be absolutely Constitutional.
 

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Honestly, I think that repealing unconstitutional laws would be a much better way to do it then making more laws.
 

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GlockMeisterG21 wrote:
Sucks that this won't apply to WI or IL residents. Kinda BS how people from out of state can CC in my home state and I can't. /sigh

+10,000 The people of both WI & IL would still be screwed!

lets use the state of MI for example, they already have a situationsimilar tothis bill . In MI, anyone that is permitted to carry in their home state with a permit of some sort(except VT & AK) can carry concealed or openly in MI.
But us folks from WI are prohibited because our state does not have any permit requirements to be able carry. Some states you need a permit to O-C and that would be accepted in MI, but because we in WI do not need to ask for permission to carry a firearm on plain view, we are then not allowed to carry in MI at all. Lets not forget about IL, and CA too. Well for CA, the celebrities could carry, but not the common folk.


I am against this bill!
if it were to make every state a "Shall Issue" state for CCW, and allow anyone legal to own a firearm able to O-C in every state. I would be all over it in a good way. There is nothing I would like more then to be able to walk around in Chicago and actually know I could protect myself.
 
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