National call to action S.845

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Not to be picky...or stupid.....but isn't it "aye"? Correct me if I goofed.

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Boy... this issue's hotter than a ten-cent pistol. This Bill's goin' as a rider... 'Same way the Dem/Libs have been pushin' stuff for years... on the back of main Bill's that have nothing at all to do with what's bein' proposed. '"You want this...then you gotta take that." I don't like it... but that's how the game is played. Nuthin' new. This time tho... it's the Conservatives. 'Same way they pushed the Nat'l Park Carry Bill on the back ofthe Credit Card issue. 'Bout damn time they wised up. to this tactic.

I understand how some see it as a State's Rights issue... but realistically, there's some states that flat out deny the 2A as a 'Right'. Maryland forinstance... eliminated the right to bear arms from it's state Constitution in 1867 in advance of the adoption of the 14A the following year.'Can't have no former slave negros ownin' guns runnin' around.'Maryland is a 'May Issue' State'... but good luck with that gettin' a CCW permit in MD. MDcurrently honors NO out of state CCW's... Zip... Nada.

Unfortunately... the bill does not affect those states which do not currently permit CCW. Arizona used to be one of those, as OC was the only mode of carry.(Carryin' a pistol here has never been an issue... only the method.) On the plus side... I see that as a hedge against claims of 10A incursions by the Feds. Those states that do not currently issue CCW's will not be affected by the Bill.

If this Bill passes... the socialist state governments of MD, NJ, NY 'n similar are gonna squeal like stuck hogs. They could react adversely by banning CCW altogether in those states, or cave and become 'Shall Issue'. I suspect the latter. But... that's just my opinion. This is a Civil Rights issue... 'n there's no way around that. It's an effort to make regular the Right to bear arms... even tho Concealed. Yeah... I understand some will equate this with Drivers Licenses... but that's an Interstate Commerce problem. I s'pose at one time States licences were not universally accepted... but that was way before my time. This is the universal receprocity acceptance for the free exercise of a Constitutional right modified by method. Ideally... they'd just tell the states and DC to abide by the Constitution and eliminate 'permit'. Constitutional Carry. Then everybody would have to OC with CC possibly being retained as a state option.

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Maybe I'm a complete moron but how do you find out who voted NO and who voted YES.

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Yes I want to compare who voted for the National Parks Carry Bill vs this one. I want to see who switched between then and now. I'd like to throw some money at the turncoats opponents.

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rob99vmi04 wrote:

Maybe I'm a complete moron but how do you find out who voted NO and who voted YES.

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http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm Should have the yeas and nays shortly.

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Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Begich (D-AK), Yea
Bennet (D-CO), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brown (D-OH), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Burris (D-IL), Nay
Byrd (D-WV), Not Voting
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Cardin (D-MD), Nay
Carper (D-DE), Nay
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Franken (D-MN), Nay
Gillibrand (D-NY), Nay
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagan (D-NC), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johanns (R-NE), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kaufman (D-DE), Nay
Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (ID-CT), Nay
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Nay
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Nay
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
Merkley (D-OR), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Not Voting
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Risch (R-ID), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shaheen (D-NH), Nay
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (D-PA), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Tester (D-MT), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Udall (D-CO), Yea
Udall (D-NM), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
Warner (D-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay
Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

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scarletwahoo wrote:

only 58 votes, needed 60

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Can someone explain why 60, not a majority??

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Every one with a Nay is a Traitor and an Enemy of the Constitution.

This is already done for us in the Constitution in the Full Faith and Credit Clause. Someone (The Congress)just needs to Enforce the Friggin Constitution on these rouge states....

Its not about State's Rights.... THEY HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO BE BOUND BY THE CONSTITUTION.... ITS ABOUT ENFORCING THE AGREEMENT.:cuss:

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All moot now... the Bill failed to pass by 2 votes.

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The following senators are ones who previously voted for the National Parks Carry bill and today switched to vote against the Thune Amendment.
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lugar (R-IN)
Merkley (D-OR)
Nelson (D-FL)
Sanders (I-VT)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Specter (D-PA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wyden (D-OR)

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Sonora Rebel wrote:

All moot now... the Bill failed to pass by 2 votes.

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True...but the vote speaks volumes. Tells who iswith the Constitution and who interprets it their own way....

Statements from NRA, etc., coming on msnbc Andrea Mitchell in 2 mins

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Has anyone noticed that many of the people clamoring for a nation-wide federal mandate allowing concealed carry, are also cheering the various "state sovereignty" resolutions declaring that intra-state gun sales are not the purview of the feds?

I need more duct tape. The cognitive dissonance is reaching the red zone.

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KBCraig wrote:

Has anyone noticed that many of the people clamoring for a nation-wide federal mandate allowing concealed carry, are also cheering the various "state sovereignty" resolutions declaring that intra-state gun sales are not the purview of the feds?

I need more duct tape. The cognitive dissonance is reaching the red zone.

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Agree - same people want it both ways.

Congress had to do the National Parks, since on fed land.

This issue is State's Right's not fed. See my other posts above. I am very glad it failed at the fed level, now let's make it happen at the State level.

70,000,000 gun owners all joined and the 2010 and 2012 along with into the future elected all 2A people to office. Think about that one. 70,000,000 voters in one party - BS talks and ACTION walks then the job get's done. Ready to join ?

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Gun Control

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In the link........

Preamble....."Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe of these United States".

I don't know what to say.....fill me in on this...Ruler of the Universe?...I'm so stuck

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milkmanjoe wrote:

Not to be picky...or stupid.....but isn't it "aye"? Correct me if I goofed.

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Aye, you have a good eye.

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Thank you for reading about the Constitution Party. The accurate (cut and paste is your friend) quotation from the Preamble is (with a bit more for spice),

Preamble

The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

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Without a 'higher power' one cannot even be a Deist, as some of the Founding Fathers were, and is stuck with humanist relativism.

If that doesn't answer your implicit question than rephrase it and I may try again to help. There are no non-believers in the trenches of conservative politics.

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Doug Huffman wrote:

Thank you for reading about the Constitution Party. The accurate (cut and paste is your friend) quotation from the Preamble is (with a bit more for spice),

Preamble

The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

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Without a 'higher power' one cannot even be a Deist, as some of the Founding Fathers were, and is stuck with humanist relativism.

If that doesn't answer your implicit question than rephrase it and I may try again to help. There are no non-believers in the trenches of conservative politics.
Although

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Reminds me of a story. A soldier was feeling "the urge" when he spied a fox in heat. He grabbed it and started - uh - "using" it.And even though he did not believe in God, he found himself praying he wouldn't get caught when he heard hissergeantwalking toward him. The moral of the story?

"THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS IN FOX HOLES" :celebrate

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Doug Huffman wrote:

Thank you for reading about the Constitution Party. The accurate (cut and paste is your friend) quotation from the Preamble is (with a bit more for spice),

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Preamble

The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

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Without a 'higher power' one cannot even be a Deist, as some of the Founding Fathers were, and is stuck with humanist relativism.

If that doesn't answer your implicit question than rephrase it and I may try again to help. There are no non-believers in the trenches of conservative politics.

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Why can't there be non believers?......and who says it has to beJesus Christ?....uhoh, here goes politics and religion...the perfect storm...I'm puttin' on my bad weather gear for sarcasm in the name of the Ruler of the Universe

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The Donkey wrote:

milkmanjoe wrote:

Not to be picky...or stupid.....but isn't it "aye"? Correct me if I goofed.

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Aye, you have a good eye.

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Thanks for the confirmation...I just figured if we were watching for the outcome with our eyes....

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KBCraig wrote:

Has anyone noticed that many of the people clamoring for a nation-wide federal mandate allowing concealed carry, are also cheering the various "state sovereignty" resolutions declaring that intra-state gun sales are not the purview of the feds?

I need more duct tape. The cognitive dissonance is reaching the red zone.

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No conflict that I see, guns that stay within a state don't affect interstate commerce. Permit holders traveling and presumably conducting business across state lines does affect interstate commerce.