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    By the way. any good places you would recomend for the ccw course here in Lees Summit / kc/mo area. I have been gone for a few years out of country. I have seen a few sights on the web but as usual they all claim to be great. soup

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    Superlite27 wrote:
    Good weekend, although heavy on time spent doing nothing in Wentzville stores. No problems. I'm assuming the majority of folks probably wrongfully assume I'm a cop.

    Next weekend, same schedule, but I'm going to dress like a bum. Hopefully the Slayer T-shirt and beat upfatigue shorts will hopefully dispel the probable assumption that I'm a cop. We'll see how that pans out.
    SLAYER!!!



    haha

    ya I live in cass county and it seems to be a pretty anti open carry county in general, as most cities have an ordinance prohibiting OP without mentioning CCW permit holders.



    I would love to test laws but I am trying to become a P.I. and would rather not get some BS disturbing the peace citatiation and end up not being able to work in Missouri. I have noticed that a lot of cities except somoen who serves processes, which is work I have been interested in.



    However I would rather not ever get mistaken for a LEO once I become a P.I. b/c I would like to be able to get info from ppl who wouldn't talk to cops normally...

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    Ozark open carry

    Just an update to add to this discussion. On the online version, Ozark is listed as NO-GO. Just reviewed www.ozarkmissouri.com website and the last button along the left hand side "city codes" forwards you to Sullivan Publications website. Here is the data below.

    http://codes.sullivanpublications.com/ozark-slp/

    SECTION 215.250

    SECTION 215.250: WEAPONS -- CARRYING CONCEALED -- OTHER UNLAWFUL USE

    A. A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons if he/she knowingly:

    1. Carries concealed upon or about his/her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use;

    2. Sets a spring gun;

    3. Discharges or shoots a firearm;

    4. Exhibits, in the presence of one (1) or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner;

    5. Possesses a firearm or projectile weapon while intoxicated;

    6. Exhibits, in the presence of one (1) or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner;

    7. Carries a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.

    No mention of Open Carry. Kind of odd that subparagraphs 4 and 6 are identical. I guess that means that they really mean it!!

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    Just an addendum in case anyone is interested. I just got off the phone with the assistant city clerk Chandra Hodges. I very nice lady that was very helpful.

    I asked her to review Ozark Ordinance SECTION 215.250 and tell me what subparagraph 4 and 6 read. She told me that whatever Sullivan Publications had was correct. I told her that the Sullivan Publications website listed subparagraph 4 and 6 as identical and that I thought that was unusual and wanted clarification.

    Turns out that subparagraph 4 is correct, but subparagraph 6 is actually restricting open carry (of course with the Concealed Carry endorsement being an exclusion).

    So just wanted to come full circle on this.

    One other interesting note though is subparagraph 3 which reads "Discharges or shoots a firearm;". It does not seem to have any exclusions etc, so I wonder if technically a person could run afoul of the law by visiting the newly opened range and firing a weapon?!

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    IANAL!

    Just my personal opinion, but after reading, there is no mention of OC in the entire publication for Ozark.

    I do find it odd that para #4, and #6 are identical and the exemptions list #6 for CCW holders...

    ...well? #4 is identical! It's like saying #1 You cannot pick your nose, # 2 You cannot pick your nose...but if you are wearing a baseball cap you are exempt from rule #2....Well? What about #1?????

    Stupid. However, the majority of these "Exhibits in the presence" laws have a common ending.....

    ....Thay all end with "in an angry or threatening manner".

    It's pretty much common knowledge that a firearm in a holster is NOT "in an angry or threatening manner". However, as per exemption, CCW holders are evidently allowed to exhibit their firearms in an angry or threatening manner since we're exempted by mentioning paragraph #6 in the exemptions.

    However, not being exempted from paragraph #4 comes into play restricting CCW holders from exhibiting their firearms in an angry or threatening manner.

    Therefore, I would presume that openly carrying a firearm in a peaceful manner by leaving it in it's holster would be acceptable.

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    You are correct, there is not a mention of Open Carry in the Sullivan Publications, but the actual Ozark Codes do mention that OC is illegal (that is what is supposed to be listed in subparagraph 6 which I clarified this morning with the Assistant Clerk) but the exclusion is that Concealed Carry Permit Holders are exempt.

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    You may have violated the law when you carried your weapon (concealed or OC) into the QT in Wentzville as it is a Police Sub-Station. I am not quite sure what a Police Sub-Station is (perhaps that is the more politically correct way of denoting a police authorized and sanctioned donut shop), but that may come under the violation of carrying a weapon into a Police station. Your thoughts on this are invited and welcome.

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    thought this topic shouldn't be lost. anybody know how to contact a mod to make a sticky?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Griz View Post
    bump

    thought this topic shouldn't be lost. anybody know how to contact a mod to make a sticky?
    The list has a few errors on it, and the guy who made it said he is not going to be updating it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohighlyunlikely View Post
    The list has a few errors on it, and the guy who made it said he is not going to be updating it.

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    Did anyone notice that Crystal City was listed as Illegal and legal? Can someone explain this?

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    yea may have tryed to correct the city and forgot to delete the other one

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComSec View Post
    yea may have tryed to correct the city and forgot to delete the other one
    So, is it legal or illegal to OC in Crystal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaysann22 View Post
    So, is it legal or illegal to OC in Crystal?
    http://library3.municode.com/default...ction=whatsnew

    There is the link to their ordinances. I can find no restrictions on Open Carry other than parks and the other usual stuff. You will find the weapons violations under, Chapter 17, Article VI, Section 17-92 to 17-94.

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    Trying to decode all and get to the accurate answer... I see where it says the list is made for non-license holders.. where can I find the laws for licensed holders?

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    not easy

    Quote Originally Posted by cfairfield View Post
    Trying to decode all and get to the accurate answer... I see where it says the list is made for non-license holders.. where can I find the laws for licensed holders?
    You would have to research the city's yourself. I have created lists for both St Louis County and St Charles county. Those are the only other lists I am aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XD45SWMo View Post
    You can add Neosho to the list.

    I cannot find anything that prohibits it in the city ordinances.
    I have been carrying there for a few years now.
    Last edited by swc64844; 09-14-2010 at 11:53 PM.

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    Cool webb city cief of police

    There is no law except for state law or individual business restrictions regarding carrying of a weapon non-concealed.


    Carl Francis
    Webb City Police Department

    On Sep 14, 2010, at 1:38 PM, "steve clark" <CDOGS@cdogs.us> wrote:




    --- On Sat, 9/11/10, steve clark <swc64844@yahoo.com> wrote:


    From: steve clark <swc64844@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Open carry
    To: cfrancis@webbcitypd.org, "steve clark" <CDOGS@cdogs.us>
    Date: Saturday, September 11, 2010, 4:58 AM


    Can you help me i am trying to find out if it legal to open carry in Webb city. I live in granby and work in Neosho we it is legal. My daughter works there, i also have a ccw permit. But i like OC allot better and have been doing it for years with no problems. Or would i just go to city hall would they have a copy of the ordnance



    Well it is from the chief

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    Updates and also monett.

    Yeah wish somebody would update the list i would if i could. In a later post i found out from Webb city that it is okay to OC. Well sense then i have been trying to get hold of monett and i did get an email back finally but no i seem to be more confused than ever. Reading the e,ail it looks almost like it's legal to carry open OR concealed with a loaded firearm. But concealed is concealed but if your caught. I guess it's time to go for a drive.

    It is not lawful to openly carry a loaded firearm in the city of Monett .





    SECTION 215.170: UNLAWFUL USE OF WEAPONS─EXCEPTIONS─PENALTIES



    A. A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons if he/she knowingly:



    1. Carries concealed upon or about his/her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use.



    2. Discharges or shoots a firearm.



    3. Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner.



    4. Possesses a firearm or projectile weapon while intoxicated.



    5. Carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use.





    Chief Tim Schweder

    Monett Police Department

    1901 East Cleveland Avenue

    Monett, MO 65708

    417-235-4241 FAX 417-235-4235

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    Okay i just posted the whole section

    ARTICLE III. OFFENSES CONCERNING WEAPONS

    SECTION 215.160: TOY PISTOLS, AIR GUNS, ETC.,─UNAUTHORIZED DISCHARGE

    Any person, not an officer, who shall, within the limits of the City, shoot off or discharge any target
    rifle, toy pistol, air gun or revolver shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor; provided, that this
    Section shall not apply to any person having a license from the City to run or operate a shooting
    gallery in the City; provided further, that such gallery is built and operated in conformity to the
    provisions of this Code and other ordinances of the City governing the same.
    (CC 1979 §20-71; Ord. No. 773 §80, 12-2-24)


    SECTION 215.170: UNLAWFUL USE OF WEAPONS─EXCEPTIONS─PENALTIES

    A. A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons if he/she knowingly:
    A.1. Carries concealed upon or about his/her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other
    weapon readily capable of lethal use.
    A.2. Discharges or shoots a firearm.
    A.3. Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in
    an angry or threatening manner.
    A.4. Possesses a firearm or projectile weapon while intoxicated.
    A.5. Carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use.
    B. Subdivisions (1), (2), (3), and (5) of Subsection (A) of this Section shall not apply to or affect any of
    the following:

    § 215.170 Monett City Code

    § 215.180

    B.1. All State, County and Municipal Law Enforcement Officers possessing the duty and power of
    arrest for violation of the general criminal laws of the State or for violation of ordinances of
    counties or municipalities of the State, or any person summoned by such officers to assist in
    making arrests or preserving the peace while actually engaged in assisting such officer;
    B.2. Wardens, superintendents and keepers of prisons, penitentiaries, jails and other institutions for
    the detention of persons accused or convicted of crime;
    B.3. Members of the armed forces or national guard while performing their official duty;
    B.4. Those persons vested by Article V, Section 1 of the Constitution of Missouri with the judicial
    power of the State and those persons vested by Article III of the Constitution of the United
    States with the judicial power of the United States, the members of the Federal judiciary;
    B.5. Any person whose bona fide duty is to execute process, civil or criminal;
    B.6. Any Federal probation officer; and
    C. Subdivisions (1), (4) and (5) of Subsection (A) of this Section do not apply when the actor is
    transporting such weapons in a non-functioning state or in an unloaded state when ammunition is
    not readily accessible or when such weapons are not readily accessible. Subdivision (1) of
    Subsection (A) of this Section does not apply when the actor is also in possession of an exposed
    firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his/her dwelling unit or upon
    business premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a
    continuous journey peaceably through this State.


    SECTION 215.180: SHOTGUNS─PERMIT FOR CERTAIN EVENTS INVOLVING USE

    A. Criteria For Issuance. Upon and pursuant to the issuance of a permit as authorized in this Section,
    which permit has not been revoked, it shall be lawful to conduct and participate in an organized
    event involving the use and discharge of shotguns, such as a trap or skeet shot or turkey shoot, and
    to discharge a shotgun in such event, when the same is conducted by a non-profit organization of the
    City, under the following conditions:
    A.1. The event shall involve only the use of shotguns of standard gauge, not larger than ten (10)
    gauge, and the use of ammunition of standard loading.
    A.2. The event will be held during hours which will not be disturbing to the persons residing or
    working in the neighborhood in which such event is held and shall not be held earlier than 8:00
    A.M. nor later than 10:00 P.M.
    A.3. The event shall be held under the supervision of one (1) or more responsible adult residents of
    the City.
    A.4. The event shall be held at a place and at a time when the same cannot endanger the person or
    property of persons in the vicinity.
    A.5. The event shall be conducted in accordance with recognized safety standards, including those
    prescribed by the National Association of Trap and Skeet Shoots.

    § 215.180 Offenses

    § 215.185

    A.6. The organization conducting the event shall obtain and keep in force public liability insurance
    insuring such organization and the persons conducting the event against liability to any person
    or injury to person or property, with limits of not less than twenty-five thousand dollars
    ($25,000.00) per person and fifty thousand dollars ($50,000.00) per event.
    B. Application─Duration. Any organization desiring to conduct such an event shall make written
    application to the chief of police for a permit to conduct the same. Such application shall set forth
    information showing that such organization and the conduct of such event shall meet the
    requirements set forth in Subsection (A) of this Section and shall be accompanied by a policy or
    certificate of insurance showing that the insurance required therein has been obtained. The permit
    shall be issued only for the event described in the application and an event conducted in the manner
    set forth in the application and shall not extend more than fifty-two (52) weeks.
    C. Issuance. If the Chief of Police finds that the applying organization and event meets the
    requirements set forth in Subsection (A) of this Section, he/she shall issue a permit for the same.
    D. Revocation. The permit may be revoked by the Chief of Police at any time he/she determines that
    the event does not meet the requirements of this Section. (CC 1979 §16-2; Ord. No. A-3075 §§1─3,
    8-25-71)

    SECTION 215.185: CONCEALED FIREARMS PROHIBITED─CITY BUILDINGS AND
    OTHER POSTED LOCATIONS

    A. As used in this Section, the following terms shall have the meanings indicated herein:
    ANTIQUE, CURIO OR RELIC FIREARM: Any firearm so defined by the National Gun Control
    Act, 18 U.S.C. Title 26, Section 5845 and the United States Treasury/Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco
    and Firearms, 27 CFR Section 178.11 and Section 571.010, RSMo.
    A.1. ANTIQUE FIREARM: Any firearm not designed or redesigned for using rim fire or
    conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898,
    said ammunition not being manufactured any longer; this includes any matchlock, wheel lock,
    flintlock, percussion cap or similar type ignition system or replica thereof.
    A.2. CURIO OR RELIC FIREARM: Any firearm delivering value as a collectible weapon due to its
    unique design, ignition system, operation or at least fifty (50) years old, associated with a
    historical event, renown personage or major war.
    CONCEALABLE FIREARM: Any firearm with a barrel less than sixteen (16) inches in length
    measured from the face of the bolt or standing breech.
    FIREARM: Any weapon that is designed or adapted to expel a projectile by the action of an
    explosive.
    B. No person who has been issued a concealed carry endorsement by the State Director of Revenue
    under Sections 571.101 to 571.121, RSMo., or who has been issued a valid permit or endorsement to
    carry concealed firearms issued by another State or political subdivision of another State shall, by
    authority of that endorsement or permit, be allowed to carry a concealed or unconcealed firearm in
    any portion of a building owned, leased or controlled by the City or onto or into any property posted
    as being off-limits to concealed or unconcealed firearms as defined in Subsection (D) below. For
    purposes of this Section, the term "building" shall include any facility owned, operated, leased

    § 215.185 Monett City Code

    § 215.185

    or controlled by the City including any facility where access is controlled with a fence or gate and a
    partially or fully enclosed structure exists thereon.
    C. No person who has been issued a concealed carry endorsement by the State Director of Revenue
    under Sections 571.101 to 571.121, RSMo., or who has been issued a valid permit or endorsement to
    carry concealed firearms issued by another State or political subdivision of another State shall, by
    authority of that endorsement or permit, be allowed to carry a concealed or an unconcealed firearm
    onto any private property whose owner has posted a sign as described in Subsection (D) below in a
    conspicuous place.
    D. The sign(s) required pursuant to Subsections (B) and (C) above shall be placed on the premises in a
    conspicuous place with a minimum size of eleven (11) inches by fourteen (14) inches with the
    writing thereon in letters of not less than one (1) inch stating that the carrying of firearms is
    prohibited on the premises. If the property posted is open to the public, signs shall be posted at each
    public entrance.
    E. No City employee except Police Officers and other such persons as may be authorized by the City
    Council shall carry any firearm on any City property or in any City vehicle.
    F. This Section shall not apply to buildings used for public housing by private persons, highways or
    rest areas, firing ranges or private dwellings owned, leased or controlled by the City.
    G. No person who has been issued a certificate of qualification which allows the person to carry a
    concealed firearm before the Director of Revenue begins issuing concealed carry endorsements in
    July, 2004, shall, by authority of that certificate, be allowed to carry a concealed firearm or to
    openly carry a firearm in any building or portion of a building owned, leased or controlled by the
    City or upon any other properly posted property as described in Subsection (C) above.
    H. Nothing in this Section shall make it unlawful for a student to actually participate in schoolsanctioned
    gun safety courses, student military or ROTC courses or other school-sponsored firearmrelated
    events, provided the student does not carry a firearm or other weapon readily capable of
    lethal use into any school, onto any school bus or onto the premises of any other function or activity
    sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.
    I. It shall be a violation of this Section, punishable as hereinafter provided, for any person to carry any
    concealed firearm into:
    I.1. Any Police, Sheriff or Highway Patrol office or station without the consent of the Chief Law
    Enforcement Officer in charge of that office or station. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on
    the premises of the office or station shall not be a violation so long as the firearm is not
    removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;
    I.2. Within twenty-five (25) feet of any polling place on any election day. Possession of a firearm
    in a vehicle on the premises of the polling place shall not be a violation so long as the firearm is
    not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;
    I.3. The facility of any adult or juvenile detention or correctional institution, prison or jail.
    Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any adult, juvenile detention or
    correctional institution, prison or jail shall not be a violation so long as the firearm is not
    removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;
    110.1

    § 215.185 Offenses

    § 215.200

    I.4. Any courthouse, courtrooms, administrative offices, libraries or other rooms of any court
    whether or not such court solely occupies the building in question;
    I.5. Any hospital accessible by the public. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of a
    hospital shall not be a violation so long as the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or
    brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;
    I.6. Any higher education institution or elementary or secondary school facility without the consent
    of the governing body of the higher education institution or a school official or the district
    school board. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises of any higher education
    institution or elementary or secondary school facility shall not be a violation so long as the
    firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises;
    I.7. Any portion of a building used as a child care facility without the consent of the manager.
    Nothing in this Subdivision shall prevent the operation of a child care facility in a family home
    from owning or possessing a firearm or a driver's license or non-driver's license containing a
    concealed carry endorsement;
    I.8. Any church or other place of religious worship without the consent of the minister or person or
    persons representing the religious organization that exercises control over the place of religious
    worship. Possession of a firearm in a vehicle on the premises shall not be a violation so long as
    the firearm is not removed from the vehicle or brandished while the vehicle is on the premises.
    J. Any person carrying such a concealed firearm who, after request, refuses to leave any properly
    posted premises and a Peace Officer has been summoned shall be punished upon conviction or plea
    of guilt thereof, but in no case shall the fine exceed one hundred dollars ($100.00) for the first (1st)
    offense, two hundred dollars ($200.00) for the second (2nd) offense if within six (6) months of the
    first (1st) citation and five hundred dollars ($500.00) for the third (3rd) offense if within one (1)
    year of the first (1st) citation. (Ord. No. 7482 §1, 11-1-04)
    Cross Reference─As to weapons generally, see §§215.170 and 215.180 of this chapter.



    Okay see if i'm reading this right it's saying you CAN"T carry concealed or open with a loaded firearm and you cant carry AT ALL in on GOV buildings. Okay last one is a gimme we all know that one. Okay somebody god with the legal jargon chime in. I live in granby and my wife and i shop sometimes in monett.

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    looking for people in joplin

    ive been looking for people in joplin who oc and want to start a group here or join with springfeild

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    Does anybody know If your allowed to oc in Moscow mills?

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    Fair Grove

    Fair Grove MO only allows OC if you have a CCW.

    Section 210.250

    A. A person commits unlawful use of a weapon when he/she

    6) "Openly carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use"

    D. 6) doesn't apply if you have a CCW
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    could not get the links to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imArkAngel View Post
    could not get the links to work.

    Note the age of some of the post you may have been trying to use, they are old and the links can change in an instant if the laws changed, the link may be worthless.

    http://www.municode.com
    http://www.sullivanpublications.com

    Those two will cover a LOT of the Missouri questions you will have, if they are not there then often they are on the city's own webspace, in fact many who use municode or sullivan indeed include links on the city's own webspace.

    First rule of OC, your freedom is at risk as the possibility of police interaction is going to be there and firearms offenses are not good to have at all.
    Second rule, after you understand the first, you need to rely only on yourself or the advice of a lawyer as to the legality of any place, no list or friendly well intended advice is going to serve you if you catch a charge.
    Third rule, never talk to police, they only seek to charge you.

    Now on that third rule a great amount of debate exist, however you will find that pretty much any lawyer you contact and ask is going to give you that same advice.

    Never forget, the sidewalk is not court, and you can beat the wrap but you can not beat the ride. Recommend all interactions be off the chain polite and resistance be in the form of verbal only, IE "I do not consent to any searches or seizures, please do not touch me or my property, am I free to go" Never turn to move your gun away from an officer reaching to get it, NEVER touch an officer, and by all means, be a victim not a criminal.

    Made it sound worse than it is? Not sure, book is still out, but a lot of law enforcement at the municipality levels seem wanting at best and training for them is near non-existent in too many areas.
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