Virginia Constitutional Militia Muster

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Reverend73 wrote:

I tend to agree, if it keeps going the way its headed. If it does, we will be in a world of $#!* I pray it never happens.

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Now, wouldn't you want to be sufficiently prepared for such an event, no matter how catastrophic?

This idea is not just about presenting the case for governmental reform, but preparation for events and actions further outside of our control.

I personally believe that a full and complete collapse might be exactly what the people of this country need to really reevaluate their place in the world. To ascertain and reclaim their individual sovereignty... and to split up and go their separate ways if necessary, so that those who wish to have a system of socialism and entitlements can do so and those who believe that the fruits of their labor are theirs and their alone can do that.

But, it has to start somewhere and I don't believe that relying on one government agency to necessarily protect us from another is anything but absolute folly.

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Why don't you just join one of the already in existance Virginia Militas rather than reinventing the wheel? They are already formed and conduct training on their own. Why not join an organization already in place with like-minded folks already doing what I think you want to do...:idea:

Just my $.02 worth

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I'm not yet ready to go against the government at arms, but I can see where being prepared to rise from the ashes of their own failures could be an attractive option .

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MSC 45ACP wrote:

Why don't you just join one of the already in existence Virginia Militias rather than reinventing the wheel?

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If you were able to direct me to a group resembling such, I would be much obliged. On my own and from my searching, there is none locally.

And I am not considering the VDF among them.

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I have thought about militia/secesion for a while now. While it seems most disagree with our government I doubt that any militia on its own could affect anything and would be squashed if it did try anything on its own.

I think that the 10th ammendment needs to be pushed at the state level and if the state ever fully decides to withdraw from the union the militia can be of use.

I started OC-in to help assert my 2nd ammendment rights and want to be more "assertive" but haven't found a good outlet. My personal opinion is that if and when the sh&* hits the fan all our liberal friends will be running to us to see if they can "buy/borrow" a gun.

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I see a thread lock in this thread's very near future.

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45acpForMe wrote:

I have thought about militia/secesion for a while now. While it seems most disagree with our government I doubt that any militia on its own could affect anything and would be squashed if it did try anything on its own.

I think that the 10th amendment needs to be pushed at the state level and if the state ever fully decides to withdraw from the union the militia can be of use.

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Your first paragraph is very important and is not to be disregarded.

The second explains specifically why the reformation of the Constitutional Militia could be so very critical to our future as Virginians.

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Jonesy wrote:

Given the general understanding of the public about "militias" as being armed groups with aims to bring down the government, to not pay taxes, and to act in other unlawful ways, maybe you should come up with a different name for your group. You don't seem to have gotten a good reception even from the very constitutionally minded members of this Virginia section of the board.

And you indicate that you will have uniform and equipment? Wow, that sounds laughable. Good luck, I think this board does not need such attention, just imho.

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From: http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/recruiting.shtml


Are members of the Virginia Defense Force armed?

The Code of Virginia states that "members of the Virginia State Defense Force shall not be armed with firearms during the performance of training duty or state active duty, except under circumstances and in instances authorized by the Governor." (§ 44.54.12)



Our "Defense Force" isnt even armed unless authorized by the Governor anyway...

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nakedshoplifter wrote:

wylde007 wrote:

I am conducting an interest-survey to determine just how many people are patently disgusted with the course of governance, government and economy in this country and wish to do something more about it than fuss and grouse about.

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Sorry, you lost me there. Knowing the common tools available to a militiaperson, I'm not sure if your way of "fixing government" is something I want to be associated with.

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Naked, won't ask how you do it either, there is a right way and wrong way to exercise your militia rights, IMO. Let's put it in terms of OCing.

A BG (Bad government) walks into a bank intending on robbing it. He sees the lobby is full of unarmed people unwilling or unable to defend themselves, what does he do next? OR, the BG walks into a bank where all or a significant number of people are well armed, well trained and willing to spill their own blood to defend themselves, what does he do here? I suggest he would turn and run.

The same is true of a well regulated militia. It really should never be necessary for it to ever be used. The correct, constitutional attitude of the people should always be such with the caveate that one must weed out the nuts. Just don't think all who support a militia mindset are nuts :^).

This entire issue is a fascinating subject. Unbounded democracy verses constitutional republic, rebellion against tyranny (defined as???) when that tyranny is democratic and the will of the majority. Hitler (I call Gordon's law first!) was elected democratically and then proceeded to do what he willed because the people (the majority) let him?

Hours and hours of good discussions here......

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joeamt wrote:

Jonesy wrote:

Given the general understanding of the public about "militias" as being armed groups with aims to bring down the government, to not pay taxes, and to act in other unlawful ways, maybe you should come up with a different name for your group. You don't seem to have gotten a good reception even from the very constitutionally minded members of this Virginia section of the board.

And you indicate that you will have uniform and equipment? Wow, that sounds laughable. Good luck, I think this board does not need such attention, just imho.

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From: http://www.vdf.virginia.gov/recruiting.shtml


Are members of the Virginia Defense Force armed?

The Code of Virginia states that "members of the Virginia State Defense Force shall not be armed with firearms during the performance of training duty or state active duty, except under circumstances and in instances authorized by the Governor." (§ 44.54.12)



Our "Defense Force" isnt even armed unless authorized by the Governor anyway...

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I have considered joining the VDF's medical unit. Always wanted to serve somehow.

I'm sure in case of emergency they will be issued batons, unloaded rifles or some other silliness. Can you imagine issuing loaded weapons in a crisis to people who have not been trained and/or practiced in their use?

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Your premise is interesting; but it lacks a solid foundation. Right out of the chute; making any connection to a "militia" has public relations nightmare written all over it.

If you want any sense of legitimacy in the near future and the ability NOT to be associated with white-supremacists; government over throwers and Klan offshoots; you'd be wise to find another descriptor than "militia."

Yes I know what the definition is; yes i know all about the federal law for men 18-45; yes I know all the history and what the Militia began as and how they fought along side the continental army (or in place of them at times.)

I also know that 98% of the time over the last 40 years whenever the term was used in the press; it wasn't for praise.

Just free advice; use or disregard as you will.