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Thread: Flint Public Changes Gun policy,

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    Regular Member LaVere's Avatar
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    Mr. LaVere:

    We will amend our policy to reflect the law of Michigan regarding firearm possession.

    Jo Anne G. Mondowney

    Director of Libraries

    Flint Public Library

    1026 E. Kearsley Street

    Flint, MI 48502

    (810) 249-2041

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    Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 9:09 AM
    To: Jo Anne Mondowney
    Subject: FW: Library gun regulations.

    Mrs. Mondowney,

    This question was sent to Askus but addressed to you.

    Gordon LaVere

    Sent: Fri 7/17/2009 7:51 AM
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    Subject: Fw: Library gun regulations resend.

    I am following up on my original email

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    Gordon LaVere

    Monday, June 15, 2009 9:05 AM

    RE: Library gun regulations resend to correct typos.

    Your message has been forwarded to the appropriate party.

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    From: Gordon LaVere

    Sent: Mon 6/15/2009 7:45 AM
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    Subject: Library gun regulations.

    Dear Jo Anne Mondowney ,

    I notice the following in the Policies section.

    "Bans all weapons from Library premises, except for concealed weapons
    that are exempt from licensure under Michigan law or lawfully licensed
    and carried in compliance with Act 372 of 1927, as amended."

    While this policy exempts concealed weapons, it is still in conflict
    with Michigan law, as openly carrying a firearm in a holster is legal.
    A law abiding citizen who desires to carry a pistol would be
    discriminated against while wishing to use the services and facilities
    of the Flint Public Library Under the 1990 state preemption law (MCL 123.1102, outlined in brief below), this policy is unenforceable in regard to firearm possession and
    transport. Furthermore, the existence of this ordinance, being in
    conflict with the law of the State of Michigan, is misleading to the
    people of Flint and other citizens who may visit the Library.

    The Flint Public Library and its administrators could be held
    liable for civil rights violations if this policy is enforced.

    A federal civil rights lawsuit has been filed in a similar situation in
    Grand Haven, MI.

    Any law abiding citizen of the State of Michigan who owns a safety
    inspected handgun may openly carry (in a holster) said firearm in all
    places not explicitly exempt by law with or without a CPL. Infringing
    on this right is a clear violation of both state and federal law.

    Libraries have challenged this and lost, one case recently in Ferndale,
    MI. There is a similar matter being examined in Dearborn Heights, MI as

    Library patrons such as myself, who openly carry a pistol, have a clear
    legal right to do so on public property.

    I fear that if I am openly carrying a pistol in accordance with state
    law in the Flint Public Library, I will be harassed, detained or
    otherwise interfered with.

    As an Flint resident, I am requesting this policy be amended within
    90 days to comply with MCL 123.1102. Failure to amend this ordinance
    could be considered an act of malfeasance as it willfully misinforms the
    public of what is and is not allowed in the libraries of the Flint. I look forward to

    your resolution and response when this policy is amended.

    I would be most grateful to hear back from you on this matter.


    Gordon LaVere
    The use of force is a last resort. One aspect of violence is that it is unpredictable. Although your initial intention may be to use limited force, once you have engaged in violence the consequences are unpredictable. Violence always brings about unexpected results and almost always provokes retaliation.

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    Regular Member autosurgeon's Avatar
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    Very nice!! Now wait a bit and then see if you can get the exact text of the new policy and post it here!
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

    Blackstone (1753-1765) maintains that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."

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    Excellent work, LaVere.

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    Well done!

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    Great job!!!!

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    That is great that they not only recognize the law, but are going to amend their policy to reflect it also. I go to this library occasionally. Now I shouldn't have any problem getting ruger45 to go with me! :celebrate

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    Nice work LaVere!

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    Sweet smell of victory!

    Nice work.


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