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    ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS

    By Lt.Col. (ret.) Dave Grossman, Army Ranger, psychology professor, author of "On Killing" and the upcoming "On Combat".

    "Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for?" - William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997

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    O[/i]ne Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.

    Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.

    Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.

    I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and
    someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.

    "Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

    "Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf."

    If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed

    Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in theworld. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.

    But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.

    The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

    Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."

    Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

    The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.

    Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word'hero'?

    Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.

    Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.

    There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog--the warrior--but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.



    There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like
    big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.

    Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.

    Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

    There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke

    Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.

    If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.

    For example, many officers carry their weapons in church. They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs. Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.

    I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"

    Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.

    Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones were attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"

    It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.

    Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you
    are psychologically shattered by your fear helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.

    Gavin de Becker puts it like this in'Fear Less', his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling."

    Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level.

    And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes.

    If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself..."Baa."

    This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other.



    Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically, at your moment of truth.

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    Wow... That is a fantastic post!!

    It is all so true!

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    Dustin wrote:
    This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other.
    OC'ers are the thin red line, the good guys who are the sheepdogs protecting society.

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    Being aware that wolves/jackals exist and also being a well balanced sheepdog is a full time job .

    Being a sheepis be pure hell for me . Since my stroke I'm more aware of the predators licking their lips .

    The predators are now more aware of my ivory handled 38 Roscoe too . No more stealth carry for me . Go ahead . Make my day . Punk

    Uncle Joe might be moving mighty slow but his bullets can still really go .



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    There will always be wolves waiting to strike. If there were no sheep dogs, the wolves would strike all the timeand thin the heard. Then there would be nothing but packs of wolves fighting each other.

    Because the wolves know the sheep dogs exist...they do not strike as often but willwhen they think it is safe. So the sheep dog is a valuable toolin limiting the attacks on the sheep. But this is in no way a guarantee the attackswill never happen. It is inevitable.

    In the Unites Statestoday, there areover300,000,000 sheepand only 900,000 sheep dogs... that means each sheep dog is responsible for 3333 sheep. That is a very large heard.

    There are far more wolves than sheep dogs so the sheep dogshave their work cut out for them. When they are busy with a wolves... the sheep are no longer protected.

    Sheep and wolves are easy to identify based on their physical characteristics. But what about the wolf in sheep's clothing? He can trick the sheep dog into thinking he is just one of a the sheep and be allowed to hang out in the heard. He waits for the sheep dog to leave and thenstrikes.

    So the sheep dogmust stay observant and wary of what is going on around his heard. He sniffs the sheep at times to be sure they do not smell like a wolf.

    But this pisses off some sheep who think it should be obvious to identify a wolf and it should be assumed that because they look like sheep... they must be sheep!

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    Wow... That is a fantastic post!!

    It is all so true!
    You should look into getting some of the books.

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    I'm not defending anyone. I'm not the police. I take care of me. If something happens to you, tough ****.

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    LEO 229 wrote:
    In the Unites Statestoday, there areover300,000,000 sheepand only 900,000 sheep dogs... that means each sheep dog is responsible for 3333 sheep. That is a very large heard.
    This is the problem I have with LEOs (and politicians). There are an estimated 77 million to 90 million gun owners in America, and they think they are the only ones who can protect people. I don't understand where this mentality comes from. There are not only 900,000 "sheep dogs" here. MILLIONS of responsible gun owners are more than capable of protecting themselves and others if the cops and legislators would quit trying to subjugate and criminalize them. They need to understand that everyday people can keep the "wolves" at bay.

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    Il_Duce wrote:
    I'm not defending anyone. I'm not the police. I take care of me. If something happens to you, tough @#$%.
    It's amazing how much you can tell about a person who makes statements like that. I think he covered you folks quite well at the end too with a good quote.


    "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing"
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    "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing" --Albert Einstein
    I'm quite certain that if your daughter or mother were getting raped at gun point, you would defintely THEN appreciate if some OTHER gun toter helped her out.

    Yet according to your own words you wouldn't return the favor?

    This is the world we live in, where our own kind won't even help eachother anymore.

    Here's another wise saying;


    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. "- Edmund Burke

    History repeats itself, everyday ....


    I'm not saying that if you hear gun shots you should run TOWARDS it, but obviously if something horrible is going down and you have the ability to stop that horrible thing form happening, and you just walk away?





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    FreeCitizen wrote:
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    In the Unites Statestoday, there areover300,000,000 sheepand only 900,000 sheep dogs... that means each sheep dog is responsible for 3333 sheep. That is a very large heard.
    This is the problem I have with LEOs (and politicians). There are an estimated 77 million to 90 million gun owners in America, and they think they are the only ones who can protect people. I don't understand where this mentality comes from. There are not only 900,000 "sheep dogs" here. MILLIONS of responsible gun owners are more than capable of protecting themselves and others if the cops and legislators would quit trying to subjugate and criminalize them. They need to understand that everyday people can keep the "wolves" at bay.
    No, I do not think you see it correctly.

    What you are saying is thataround900out of the 3333 sheep are armed. This is still asmall number and clearly the rest of the sheep are going to want protection. They want to know that the sheep doghas been trainedto do the job. Hemustalso be easily identifiable as a sheep dog and reachable at all times to come help them fight off the wolves.

    Some sheep can be watchful and even fight back against the wolf. They can play sheep dog but the other sheep may not trust them. They prefer the sheep dog.

    So you may be able to"keep the wolves at bay" but the sheep dogremoves them from the pack and prevents them from attacking other sheep. :P

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    LEO 229 wrote:
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    No, I do not think you see it correctly.

    What you are saying is thataround900out of the 3333 sheep are armed. This is still asmall number and clearly the rest of the sheep are going to want protection. They want to know that the sheep doghas been trainedto do the job. Hemustalso be easily identifiable as a sheep dog and reachable at all times to come help them fight off the wolves.

    Some sheep can be watchful and even fight back against the wolf. They can play sheep dog but the other sheep may not trust them. They prefer the sheep dog.

    So you may be able to"keep the wolves at bay" but the sheep dogremoves them from the pack and prevents them from attacking other sheep. :P
    I see your point that a uniform and badge comforts the sheep. I also feel that if (like i said earlier) "MILLIONS of responsible gun owners are more than capable of protecting themselves and others if the cops and legislators would quit trying to subjugate and criminalize them". If the sheeple weren't conditioned to believe that everyone carrying a gun are criminals, they would be more able to see that. A gun on the hip will prevent the wolf from attacking the sheep.

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    I see your point that a uniform and badge comforts the sheep. I also feel that if (like i said earlier) "MILLIONS of responsible gun owners are more than capable of protecting themselves and others if the cops and legislators would quit trying to subjugate and criminalize them". If the sheeple weren't conditioned to believe that everyone carrying a gun are criminals, they would be more able to see that. A gun on the hip will prevent the wolf from attacking the sheep.
    I am not so sure that the sheep have this view of gun owners on their own. One will draw a conclusion after you see something time and time again. The problem is the news does not report a gun owner walking around armed and nothing bad happens.

    The sheep, just like the many of the sheep dog, fearmay fear that it could be a wolf in the heard when they see a gun.

    A wolf in sheep's clothing is hard to identify until the wolf actually attacks and makes it known.

    In our world today... the news reports all the wolves using guns. So naturally.. the sheep are going to be conditioned that guns = tool of the wolf.

    This is why sheep with guns get the attention of some sheep dogs. Normally younger dogs. The sheep dogs are truly trying to protect the sheep.

    While someonevisibly armedwill certainly cause a wolf to leave and thwart a pending attack.. it just means the wolf will go someplace else and do it. It never stops the attack from ever happening.. just where and when. The wolf needs to feed and when desperate.. he will take more risk.

    How are legislators and sheep dogs trying to criminalize gun ownership?


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    This is the problem I have with LEOs (and politicians). There are an estimated 77 million to 90 million gun owners in America, and they think they are the only ones who can protect people.
    When a drug crazed moron is 2 minutes from shattering your patio glass door and entering your castle, and the cops are 15 minutes away, what happens?

    1- the drug crazed moron smashes the glass door in with a lawn chair

    2- drug crazed moron ignores repeatedwarnings and steps inside your castle

    3- the resident shoots him dead

    True story in Virginia recently. The cops can not protect you, and the courts have ruled the cops have on obligation to protect you. You're on your own until the cops can finally get to you.
    Obviously, the police cannot be seconds away from every person who resides in a given area when trouble strikes. The idea behind law enforcement was never intended to be personal body guards and protect every citizen that closely.

    The police do more than protect other from harm. They find missing children and the elderly that walk away. They recover stolen property and cars. They give medical aid while waiting for the ambulance to arrive at an accident. The work traffic control, They change tires and push cars off the road.They break up fights and riots. They find escaped prisoners. They mediate civil disputes between neighbors.

    If there is 1 cop for every 3000 people...how can they possibly be obligated to protect everyone at all hours from crime they do not know will happen until it does? I simply cannot fathom how I could protect 3000 people from harm.

    The courts had to rule that way probably because someone tried to sue for the police failing to stop the drug crazed moron breaking in and killing the occupants. The police did not get there quick enough to stop him so they are at fault for what someone else did.But they still want you to$uffer the con$equence$.

    People often complain or call back repeatedly that the police have not arrived yet or took to long to get to their call. Not taking into consideration that there are other calls to be handled and it takes time to travel to each call.

    Do you expect the police to be there in seconds? If so... you may want to pay more in taxes so more cops can be hired and posted on the porch of every home.

    In life threatening events.. it will still take the fire department on average .... six minutes to get to you. Maybe we need an EMT on every porch too. :?



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    Cops change tires? I'm afraid I need a citation (to authority, no pun intended) on that one. ;-/

    -ljp

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    In what amount would a check have to be for BHO to cut to hire 299,100,000more LEO's? :quirky

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    So, armed citizens are to be considered sheep?

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    Sheriff wrote:
    What exactly is it we're debating?

    You said the cops can't protect citizens. And I said the same thing. Sounds like an agreement, not a debate.

    Those who advocate more gun control and refuse to havefirearms in their home have to wait 15 minutes for thecops. The man in Botetourt County had a gun and was able to defend himself and his wife. 15 minutes without a firearm and he and his wife might have been seriously injured or killed.
    Your bringing up the fact it takes so long for the police to arrive.

    Knowing that the tone you often bring is one of condemnation of law enforcement.. I wanted to point out that pointing fingers at the police for not being able to get there fast enough is just not possible unless you hire many more to provide that level or service.

    I am not sure what purpose it served to bring up that court decision.

    Otherwise.. we do agree that the people should be allowed to be armed. This is why I advocate safe and responsible gun ownership.

    Some people live much farther out and it take the police even longer to respond.


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    Sheriff wrote:
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    I wanted to point out that pointing fingers at the police for not being able to get there fast enough is just not possible........
    Of course it's possible. I just did it!

    Andmember Free Citizen is right when he said most cops think it's their job to protect people andthink they are the only ones capable ofprotecting people. It's not their job, and they're not the only ones capable of protecting people.As a matter of fact, the show is over before they get there most of the time.
    Yes.. you did..

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    thx997303 wrote:
    So, armed citizens are to be considered sheep?
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    Where'd you get that from?

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    Dustin wrote:
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    So, armed citizens are to be considered sheep?
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    Where'd you get that from?
    LEO 229 wrote:
    Some sheep can be watchful and even fight back against the wolf. They can play sheep dog but the other sheep may not trust them. They prefer the sheep dog.

    So you may be able to"keep the wolves at bay" but the sheep dogremoves them from the pack and prevents them from attacking other sheep. :P
    FreeCitizen wrote:
    This is the problem I have with LEOs (and politicians). There are an estimated 77 million to 90 million gun owners in America, and they think they are the only ones who can protect people. I don't understand where this mentality comes from.
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    This is why sheep with guns get the attention of some sheep dogs. Normally younger dogs. The sheep dogs are truly trying to protect the sheep.

    While someonevisibly armedwill certainly cause a wolf to leave and thwart a pending attack.. it just means the wolf will go someplace else and do it. It never stops the attack from ever happening.. just where and when. The wolf needs to feed and when desperate.. he will take more risk.

    How are legislators and sheep dogs trying to criminalize gun ownership?
    I caught the same implication from LEO 229 as thx997303 did, in fact I can't see how anyone else missed it. It's very blatant.

    And for the record, if legislators weren't trying to criminalize gun ownership then this forum wouldn't exist.



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    I caught the same implication from LEO 229 as thx997303 did, in fact I can't see how anyone else missed it. It's very blatant.

    And for the record, if legislators weren't trying to criminalize gun ownership then this forum wouldn't exist.

    You pretty much bolded everything so I have no idea what your point is..

    You have not provided any instance to show how one could have themindset thattheytrying to "criminalize gun ownership"

    What are they trying to do to make it a crime to own a gun?

    I am not talking about carry off your private property... I am talking about... in your own home.

    How??!!

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    LEO 229 wrote:
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    You have not provided any instance to show how one could have themindset thattheytrying to "criminalize gun ownership"

    What are they trying to do to make it a crime to own a gun?

    I am not talking about carry off your private property... I am talking about... in your own home.

    How??!!
    If you want to play semantics, then fine - I was wrong. But you know what I meant. It was obvious in the context of my reply that I meant carrying a gun.

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    FreeCitizen wrote:
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    jerg_064 wrote:
    You have not provided any instance to show how one could have themindset thattheytrying to "criminalize gun ownership"

    What are they trying to do to make it a crime to own a gun?

    I am not talking about carry off your private property... I am talking about... in your own home.

    How??!!
    If you want to play semantics, then fine - I was wrong. But you know what I meant. It was obvious in the context of my reply that I meant carrying a gun.
    No.. I am addressing what you said. I have no clue what you meant other than what was clearly written. I am no mind reader.

    Making ownership a crime is NOT the same as prohibiting the carry of a firearm.

    But if you did not mean to say that.. I am fine with it.


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    FreeCitizen wrote:
    LEO 229 wrote: This is the problem I have with LEOs (and politicians). There are an estimated 77 million to 90 million gun owners in America, and they think they are the only ones who can protect people. I don't understand where this mentality comes from. There are not only 900,000 "sheep dogs" here. MILLIONS of responsible gun owners are more than capable of protecting themselves and others if the cops and legislators would quit trying to subjugate and criminalize them. They need to understand that everyday people can keep the "wolves" at bay.
    Like i said - IN THE CONTEXT OF MY POST. The red clearly informs you that I am talking about carrying guns. If you have no understanding of reading comprehension, it will be impossible to have a constructive debate with you.

    edit - You know what man...I don't want to fight with you. You believe that only cops are qualified to defend the public, and I believe otherwise. I do not feel that this can go any further than that. I apologize if I came off condescending or malicious in response to your post on the story the OPer provided for the education of the masses. I only hope that you will learn to live outside the box sometime in your life.

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    I guess you have not been here long enough to know that I support and encourage people to arm themselves.

    I know that the police are not seconds away.

    You have drawn your own incorrect conclusions from your own reading comprehension issues.

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