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    I just got an alert from the NRA. Apparently the Senate will be voting on the Thune/vitter amendment that allows national reciprocity of CPL's. I just sent letters to Senators Murray and Cantwell urging them to support the amendment. (Although Im not holding my breath)

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    http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5063



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    Will this do the trick? I just sent it to both Senators and my Representative.


    As a resident of your state and a Navy Veteran who gave 14 years of his life supporting and defending the Constitution of the United States, I strongly urge you to support the Vitter/Thune Amendment concerning national reciprocity of Concealed Carry Permits, known as a Concealed Pistol License in the state of Washington.
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    Weave wrote:

    I just got an alert from the NRA. . (Although Im not holding my breath)

    I received one from GOA, my wife didn't get one from the NRA for some reason.

    Welikewise emailed both senators. They, at least have a C rating with GOA. I also asked not to vote for Sotomayor (not hopeful here) since she has made clear that she doesn't believe the second ammendment applies to the states nor does she believe we have a right to self-defense. Doesn't affect us here in WA for now. Seems like Western WA is a lot more gun friendly than Eastern WA

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    I have a problem with the NRA-ILA alerts going to my junk mail folder, no matter how I try to designate them as safe.
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    Bookman wrote:
    I have a problem with the NRA-ILA alerts going to my junk mail folder, no matter how I try to designate them as safe.
    Set an in-box rule, it will override any junk filters for the specific sender.

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    I've already done that. It's weird.
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    freeafrog wrote:
    Weave wrote:

    I just got an alert from the NRA. . (Although Im not holding my breath)

    I received one from GOA, my wife didn't get one from the NRA for some reason.

    Welikewise emailed both senators. They, at least have a C rating with GOA. I also asked not to vote for Sotomayor (not hopeful here) since she has made clear that she doesn't believe the second ammendment applies to the states nor does she believe we have a right to self-defense. Doesn't affect us here in WA for now. Seems like Western WA is a lot more gun friendly than Eastern WA
    I don't know what part of e.WA you are talking about,but the Seattle area is an anti gun,liberal cesspool.NCW,the Wenatchee area is one of the most gun friendly places around.

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    SANDRAT wrote:
    I don't know what part of e.WA you are talking about,but the Seattle area is an anti gun,liberal cesspool.NCW,the Wenatchee area is one of the most gun friendly places around.
    While I agree that our elected officials are lacking, our PD knows the law and very few times are open carriers bothered. We have many members here who can attest to that along with a few pictures.

    However, Everett, which is one of the cities you claim in your profile has had many more issues with it than Seattle has.
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    Bookman wrote:
    I have a problem with the NRA-ILA alerts going to my junk mail folder, no matter how I try to designate them as safe.
    Try adding the NRA-ILA outgoing mail address to your contact list and see if that clears it up.

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    This was my response from Senator Murray,

    Thank you for writing to me regarding S1618, Senator Thune (R-SD)amendment to provide for uniform reciprocity for concealed weapon possession across the country. It is good to hear from you.



    Senator Thune's amendment would allow gun owner with a right to carry concealed weapon in one state the right to carry a concealed weapon across the United States.Like you, I am concerned about the level of violence in this countryand its effect on our families and communities.Legislation to regulate the use of firearms is and should remain a state issue I believe that our national crime fighting strategy should include reasonable measures to control firearms that strike a balance between reducing street crime and maintaining individual rights.


    As a U.S. Senator, I have supported common sense measures to reduce or restrict gun violence while posing the least possible inconvenience to law-abiding gun owners. Please know that the Senate considers this and other firearms legislation,I will keep your concerns regarding this important issue in mind. If you would like to know more about my work in the Senate, please feel free to sign up for my updates at]http://murray.senate.gov/updates[ Thank you again for writing, and please keep in touch.]

    To which I replied:

    Dear Senator Murray,



    Thank you for your prompt response to my email on theThune/Vitter amendment. I was, however, confused by your response.You never really answered the question as to your support or lack thereof of the forementionedamendment.I noticed you used the ideathat "legislation to regulate the use of firearms is and should remain primarily a state issue". Yet, your staunch support for the "Brady Bill" and Clinton ban on "Assault Weapons" would seem to indicate otherwise.



    I hope you can clarify your position and pending vote on this amendment. Myself and thousands of other Washington gun owners will be closely watching the success or failure of this.








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    Interesting response. I didn't get a response form either senator... no surprise there.
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    Bookman wrote:
    Will this do the trick? I just sent it to both Senators and my Representative.


    As a resident of your state and a Navy Veteran who gave 14 years of his life supporting and defending the Constitution of the United States, I strongly urge you to support the Vitter/Thune Amendment concerning national reciprocity of Concealed Carry Permits, known as a Concealed Pistol License in the state of Washington.
    I received this reply today from my Representative:

    July 21, 2009
    Dear Jon

    Thank you for contacting me with your concerns regarding the Second Amendment. I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.

    Allow me to begin by saying that I support the Second Amendment and believe that individuals have the right to own guns, whether it be for recreation or self-defense. With that said, I also support reasonable laws to ensure guns do not get in the hands of criminals or children. To this end I believe that this is an issue that is best monitored and controlled on the state and local level.

    As you may know, H.R. 197 was introduced by Representative Cliff Stearns on January 6, 2009. This legislation would amend title 18 of the United States Code to provide a national standard to allow non-residents of a State to carry concealed firearms. Currently, the laws and reciprocity of concealed weapon permits vary by state. For example, Washington state residents who have a permit to carry a concealed weapon also have their permits recognized by 17 other states. However, other states which do not have a reciprocity agreement with Washington may require a permit for concealed carrying, some will not issue such permits to non-residents, and others prohibit such carrying in general.

    Currently H.R. 197 has been referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security in the House Committee on the Judiciary. Although I do not sit on this Subcommittee please know that I will monitor the progress of this legislation and will keep your thoughts in mind if it should come to the House floor for a vote.

    Preserving Second Amendment rights is very important to me. While I support preserving these rights for law-abiding citizens, I believe that we must make an effort to keep guns away from violent criminals, children, and the mentally ill, or in other words, people who do not have the right to possess a gun. However, our efforts to keep guns away from such people should never infringe on the rights of others to own a gun. Throughout my tenure in Congress I have voted accordingly.

    Again, thank you for contacting me in support of Second Amendment Rights. I look forward to continuing to advocate on behalf of the rights of the many gun owners in the 9th District and to ensure the federal firearms policy strikes an appropriate balance between liberty and safety that does not unduly infringe upon the rights of those who choose to lawfully own firearms.

    If you have any additional questions, comments, or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me again.


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    j2l3 wrote:
    SANDRAT wrote:
    I don't know what part of e.WA you are talking about,but the Seattle area is an anti gun,liberal cesspool.NCW,the Wenatchee area is one of the most gun friendly places around.
    While I agree that our elected officials are lacking, our PD knows the law and very few times are open carriers bothered. We have many members here who can attest to that along with a few pictures.

    However, Everett, which is one of the cities you claim in your profile has had many more issues with it than Seattle has.
    My shop/apartment is actually S.Everett,I usually CC as I have enough hassles with edjucating people about my SVC Dog.In Leavenworth,I actually field stripped and repaired an AR15 on a picnic table outside the Heidelberger Restaurant,no hassles,they are very gun friendly and outdoors people.Great Food too.

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    I was just watching CSPAN and the Thune Amendment failed. Don't know the vote, but it didn't make it.

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    It got 58 yeas, 60 were needed...of course Murray and Cantwell voted no...PATHETIC

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    Question: On the Amendment (Thune Amdt. No. 1618 ) Vote Number: 237 Vote Date: July 22, 2009, 12:01 PM Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected

    Grouped by Home State
    Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Yea
    Alaska: Begich (D-AK), Yea Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
    Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Yea
    Arkansas: Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea
    California: Boxer (D-CA), Nay Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
    Colorado: Bennet (D-CO), Yea Udall (D-CO), Yea
    Connecticut: Dodd (D-CT), Nay Lieberman (ID-CT), Nay
    Delaware: Carper (D-DE), Nay Kaufman (D-DE), Nay

    Florida: Martinez (R-FL), Yea Nelson (D-FL), Nay
    Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Isakson (R-GA), Yea
    Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Nay Inouye (D-HI), Nay
    Idaho: Crapo (R-ID), Yea Risch (R-ID), Yea
    Illinois: Burris (D-IL), Nay Durbin (D-IL), Nay
    Indiana: Bayh (D-IN), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Nay
    Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Yea Harkin (D-IA), Nay
    Kansas: Brownback (R-KS), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea
    Kentucky: Bunning (R-KY), Yea McConnell (R-KY), Yea
    Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Yea
    Maine: Collins (R-ME), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea
    Maryland: Cardin (D-MD), Nay Mikulski (D-MD), Not Voting
    Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting Kerry (D-MA), Nay

    Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Nay Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
    Minnesota: Franken (D-MN), Nay Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay

    Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Yea Wicker (R-MS), Yea
    Missouri: Bond (R-MO), Yea McCaskill (D-MO), Nay
    Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Yea Tester (D-MT), Yea
    Nebraska: Johanns (R-NE), Yea Nelson (D-NE), Yea
    Nevada: Ensign (R-NV), Yea Reid (D-NV), Yea
    New Hampshire: Gregg (R-NH), Yea Shaheen (D-NH), Nay
    New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
    New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
    Udall (D-NM), Yea
    New York: Gillibrand (D-NY), Nay Schumer (D-NY), Nay
    North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Yea Hagan (D-NC), Yea
    North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Yea Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
    Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Nay Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
    Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Yea Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
    Oregon: Merkley (D-OR), Nay Wyden (D-OR), Nay
    Pennsylvania: Casey (D-PA), Yea Specter (D-PA), Nay
    Rhode Island: Reed (D-RI), Nay Whitehouse (D-RI), Nay

    South Carolina: DeMint (R-SC), Yea Graham (R-SC), Yea
    South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Yea Thune (R-SD), Yea
    Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Yea Corker (R-TN), Yea
    Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
    Utah: Bennett (R-UT), Yea Hatch (R-UT), Yea
    Vermont: Leahy (D-VT), Nay Sanders (I-VT), Nay
    Virginia: Warner (D-VA), Yea Webb (D-VA), Yea
    Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Nay Murray (D-WA), Nay
    West Virginia: Byrd (D-WV), Not Voting Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay

    Wisconsin: Feingold (D-WI), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Nay
    Wyoming: Barrasso (R-WY), Yea Enzi (R-WY), Yea

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    Weave wrote:
    It got 58 yeas, 60 were needed...of course Murray and Cantwell voted no...PATHETIC
    Wisconsin with no CC laws got one vote for yes to this bill.

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    Just out of curiosity, is it federal law that all states have to recognize other states' driver's license?

    At least to me the amendment seemed like a good idea except when you consider that anti-gunners would probably push for another AWB since this would allow people to carry their guns in any state. In an ideal situation is would cause many states to repeal their constrictive laws, but I wouldn't plan on that happening.

    Maybe if we got a pro gun gov he/she could reach out to other states to work it out without the federal government getting involved.

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    Release some more criminals from our currently full pens, have them go rape some of the nays, then vote again <bad humor>.
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    I don't want to talk out my ass,but,are'nt we already reciprical with several states already?Also,I saw an ad awhile back,I believe Sams Gunshop in Everett offers ID and OR CPL License classes from time to time.

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    SANDRAT wrote:
    I don't want to talk out my ass,but,are'nt we already reciprical with several states already?Also,I saw an ad awhile back,I believe Sams Gunshop in Everett offers ID and OR CPL License classes from time to time.
    We are only reciprocal with 7 states but there are 17, I believe, that honor our permit.
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    joeroket wrote:
    SANDRAT wrote:
    I don't want to talk out my ass,but,are'nt we already reciprical with several states already?Also,I saw an ad awhile back,I believe Sams Gunshop in Everett offers ID and OR CPL License classes from time to time.
    We are only reciprocal with 7 states but there are 17, I believe, that honor our permit.
    Actually, that would be 9 states that Washington has formal reciprocity with.

    http://www.atg.wa.gov/page.aspx?id=7772

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    SANDRAT wrote:
    I don't want to talk out my ass,but,are'nt we already reciprical with several states already?Also,I saw an ad awhile back,I believe Sams Gunshop in Everett offers ID and OR CPL License classes from time to time.
    We have a reciprical agreement with Idaho. No need to get their permit.
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    p2a1x7 wrote:

    Maybe if we got a pro gun gov he/she could reach out to other states to work it out without the federal government getting involved.
    The Governor doesn't enter into these agreements. The AG does. He's the one to lobby for more agreements.
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