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    Sunday at 1300ish has been nice.

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    Are there any lawyers out there who might be interested in being present / involved in an open carry group / movement / meeting / whatever? Please let us know.


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    Can't remember the screen name he used, but I do recall an attorney from the Bay Area that posted here about a year ago.

    I don't know of any convenient way to find him. I'm guessing a forum search of the word "attorney" would turn up too many results.
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    Jubal Harshaw wrote:
    Are there any lawyers out there who might be interested in being present / involved in an open carry group / movement / meeting / whatever?* Please let us know.*

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    I have a great lawyer on retainer. I keep his phone number in my pocket with this card http://www.californiaopencarry.org/C...RightsCard.pdf
    PM me if you want his email.

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    I am an attorney and interested in OC and 2A issues, and have been monitoring the increase in interest and activity in the Bay Area. If the timing works out, I may be able to attend the gathering being organized in Sunnyvale this weekend.





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    dirtykoala wrote:
    P.s. I'm here at the starbucks now, (carrying) security has passed me by 3 times so far and a cop passed about 15 ft away from me, cops passed bad ace and I a few times while we were here the past 2 weeks without incident. There may be a firearm invisibility shield here that i am unaware of
    As long as that's an invisibility shield which is locked and fully enclosed then you should be okay!

    Are you guys wearing shirts and pants that have guns all over them? I might be able to understand it then. Like this but more life-size and realistic looking:



    The cops aren't going to believe that you've been there for weeks when they finally notice and start up with the whole line of you will "create a scene", "panic people", and "scare everybody" nonsense.

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    So, fearless leaders (I refer to dirtykoala and bad_ace; you guys are leading the way, as I'm sure you realize) what's the final word on the meeting time? Looks like the votes are for 13:30 on Sun. I plan to be there at that time, but I would like confirmation from dirtykoala / bad_ace that 13:30 on Sun is the time / place. Guys?

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    dirtykoala wrote:
    Great! I think we would all be thankful if you made it out.

    P.s. I'm here at the starbucks now, (carrying) security has passed me by 3 times so far and a cop passed about 15 ft away from me, cops passed bad ace and I a few times while we were here the past 2 weeks without incident. There may be a firearm invisibility shield here that j am unaware of
    That firearms invisibility shield you speak of is called 'Condition White'. It means people all around you are in a state of oblivion, not taking heed of their surroundings. I think this is pretty common for average folks in any setting. Their eyes may seea firearm on your hip,but theirbrain is registering it as aPDA, a mobile phone, or a camera case.Theysimply dont expect it.The fact that security and police havent taken notice only reveals the gaping hole in their powers of observation.
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    Jubal Harshaw wrote:
    So, fearless leaders (I refer to dirtykoala and bad_ace; you guys are leading the way, as I'm sure you realize) what's the final word on the meeting time?* Looks like the votes are for 13:30 on Sun.* I plan to be there at that time, but I would like confirmation from dirtykoala / bad_ace that 13:30 on Sun is the time / place.* Guys?*

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    Yes. We are on for Sunday at 13:30.

    For those attending, this is a very low key meet and greet, one to two hours. We will not be using this time/place to hand out information about open carry. The intent is to meet folks from the forum. Lately (myself included) there have been a lot of new people interested in open carry. This is a chance to say hello and become familiar with people in your area that share some of your interests.

    See you all Sunday! Drive Safe.

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    I didn't vote in the poll as I'm not sure if I will be able to make it, but I will try to come, and if I do, I will be armed with my Glock and a voice recorder. If I don't show, I hope you guys have a good time.

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    I had a great time too, good to meet the south bay contingent in person. As usual, everybody was very cool. Bad Ace, Dirty Koala, and I carried, and I was sneaky enough to arrive 20 minutes late and miss the 12031(e) check.

    I find it mildly amusing how when my fiancee asked me what we talked about, all I could really think of is laws. I wonder what we would talk about if we didn't have to worry about constantly breaking unconstitutional laws.

    I know I mentioned the Palo Alto restriction on possessing firearms, so I looked it up:

    9.08.010 Firing and possession of guns and firearms.

    Except as otherwise provided in this chapter no person shall have in his possession within this city, and no person shall fire or discharge, or cause to be fired or discharged within this city, nor shall any parent, guardian or person having the care, custody or control of any minor permit such minor to have in his possession within this city, or to fire or discharge or cause to be fired or discharged within the city, any firearm, cannon, fireworks, gun, pistol, revolver, anvil, firecracker or explosive of similar nature, rifle, air rifle, air-gun, BB gun or pellet gun or any instrument of any kind, character or description which throws or projects bullets or missiles of any kind to any distance by means of elastic force, air or any explosive substance, all referred to in this section as "firearms."

    (Ord. 1720 (part), 1956: prior code § 8.01)
    I'd actually like to have the video posted, but I can understand the reasoning behind not posting it since it looked like they were pretty professional.

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    We had a great turn out. I suspect the Bay Area will be getting more and more open carriers.

    The police stayed within the confines of PC 12031. About 5 other officers got to look on as the lieutenant (e) checked us. A positive learning experience for all of them I'm sure. The officers at no time pressed the issue about ID's or SN checks, never claiming that we "had to show ID". Very smart group.

    As for the video/audio. I have no intention of posting it here. I believe people will trust that the encounter went well. Since it was a text book (e) check on the officers part (not mine) the video is rather uneventful. If you attended the meeting and want a copy, PM me.

    Thanks again for everyone's support, friends, wives, and fiancees. We will do another. Until then be safe.

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    dirtykoala wrote:
    I may post the verbage, so everyone knows what happened,...
    ^ This. Definately. Yes.

    I for one, would be interested in hearing more detail. How many participants. How many police. Did they draw down on peaceful activists. Duration of the contact. Was there a lecture advising not to do this. Pamphlets handed out.Did this break up the meeting or did you continue as if nothing happened.?.?.?
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    bigtoe416 wrote:
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    I know I mentioned the Palo Alto restriction on possessing firearms, so I looked it up:

    9.08.010 Firing and possession of guns and firearms.

    Except as otherwise provided in this chapter no person shall have in his possession within this city, and no person shall fire or discharge, or cause to be fired or discharged within this city, nor shall any parent, guardian or person having the care, custody or control of any minor permit such minor to have in his possession within this city, or to fire or discharge or cause to be fired or discharged within the city, any firearm, cannon, fireworks, gun, pistol, revolver, anvil, firecracker or explosive of similar nature, rifle, air rifle, air-gun, BB gun or pellet gun or any instrument of any kind, character or description which throws or projects bullets or missiles of any kind to any distance by means of elastic force, air or any explosive substance, all referred to in this section as "firearms."

    (Ord. 1720 (part), 1956: prior code § 8.01)
    A complete ban on BB/pellet guns? Even spring guns? (I don't know if they even make them anymore, but when I was a kid we had guns that shot soft plastic BBs via spring power with a range of about 20 feet.

    And anvils?! I lol'd at that one.

    Makes me wonder if the city had a coyote problem at some point...
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    ConditionThree wrote:
    dirtykoala wrote:
    I may post the verbage, so everyone knows what happened,...
    ^ This. Definately. Yes.

    I for one, would be interested in hearing more detail. How many participants. How many police. Did they draw down on peaceful activists. Duration of the contact. Was there a lecture advising not to do this. Pamphlets handed out.*Did this break up the meeting or did you continue as if nothing happened.?.?.?
    There were 7 people that showed up to drink coffee and socialize. After about 10 mins of our arrival a couple of cruisers pulled up. I'd say there were about 6 officers. But only one checked us, the others observed. I suspect the large officer turnout was due to curiosity and the fact that we sat across the street from the Police station

    They most certainly did not draw down on anyone, these officers knew the situation didn't warrant that. No lecture advising we not open carry. Plenty of questions were asked of us, and of course went unanswered. No Pamphlets handed out. We had them with us but no one (meaning passers by or customers) asked us about UOC so the chance didn't come up. I don't think handing out pamphlets to the officers was necessary , they knew the laws and didn't try and miss quote them.

    After the (e) check the officer thanked us for our time and left us to enjoy our coffee and company. For another couple of hours we sat there without incident as if nothing happened.

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    DEFINITELY write a nice letter about the way the LT handled this. I would include a caveat that I believe 12031(e) is a violation of the 4th Amendment, but other than that I would have nothing but nice things to say about this guy.

    I'm overjoyed at the progress we've made in the two short years I've been involved.

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    I really wish the officer hadn't requested the video not be posted. I feel like he did a great job and other departments could use it as a training video of how to do things. It'd also allow other departments to see that we're just normal people doing normal things and we're not interested in suing anybody who follows the letter of the law.

    I will point out that when I arrived at the meetup, I drove around the backside of the stores and there was a Sunnyvale SUV with a officer sitting behind the wheel. I had to drive past him a minute later and he didn't look like he was doing much. It's possible that he was asked to sit around in case another call came in (he wasn't pointed in the direction we were located at, so I doubt he was lying in wait, if you will). He was out of sight for the majority of the parking lot and where we were, so he wasn't sitting there staring at us or appearing to be intimidating. Sunnyvale definitely has their act together as far as I'm concerned.

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