Pistol free zone signs

hercprsound · Jul 22, 2009

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Im new here, this is my first post. I have a michigan cpl, but I routinely open carry. I joined partly because I was asked not to return to my Krogers store because I carry a gun. They have a best bank in the store, and although legal, I was asked not to come back because of their bank. SO, where can I get a pistol free zone sign that I could give to them for their front doors? I want this sign so that fellow gun ownerswill shop somewhere else, and thus cost the store some buisiness. Also I have seen a list of buisinesses that have prohibited gun owners, and I dont remember where the list was. I would like to add this store to that list. It is the Krogers store on dixie highway, and davisburg roads in springfeild twp. michigan.

Nutczak · Jul 22, 2009

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hercprsound wrote:

Im new here, this is my first post. I have a michigan cpl, but I routinely open carry. I joined partly because I was asked not to return to my Krogers store because I carry a gun. They have a best bank in the store, and although legal, I was asked not to come back because of their bank. SO, where can I get a pistol free zone sign that I could give to them for their front doors? I want this sign so that fellow gun ownerswill shop somewhere else, and thus cost the store some buisiness. Also I have seen a list of buisinesses that have prohibited gun owners, and I dont remember where the list was. I would like to add this store to that list. It is the Krogers store on dixie highway, and davisburg roads in springfeild twp. michigan.

If they do not want people to exercise their 2A rights, Why would you want to help them? it si their responsibility. Not yours!

The MI thread has a list of business's that are not 2A friendly and has them marked as "Do Not patronize". You may want to check out the MI thread for more info.

hercprsound · Jul 22, 2009

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Im not trying to help them, Im trying to start a mini boycott. I appreciate, and understand the concern.

hp-hobo · Jul 22, 2009

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I'm sure this isn't what you're looking for, but you can usethis siteas a start. Good luck showing them for what they are.

http://friendorfoe.us/

hercprsound · Jul 22, 2009

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Good news. When I confronted them about their position, they backed off, they met me halfway, and said I could come in as long as I was carrying concealed! This isnt pure second amendment, but is fairly acceptible. I came to them professionally, in a non confrontational way, armed with strong facts, and let them know where they stood with both myself and the law. This can be considered a small victory in our rights, and at least a step in the right direction.

hercprsound · Jul 22, 2009

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I know what site Im on. I carry openly evrywhere. Ive only actually concealed 2 or 3 times.

Theseus · Jul 22, 2009

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hercprsound wrote:

Good news. When I confronted them about their position, they backed off, they met me halfway, and said I could come in as long as I was carrying concealed! This isnt pure second amendment, but is fairly acceptible. I came to them professionally, in a non confrontational way, armed with strong facts, and let them know where they stood with both myself and the law. This can be considered a small victory in our rights, and at least a step in the right direction.

Don't comply with their demands. . . Contact management and push the issue with them.

Typically it is not a corporate policy but some a$$ hat at the local store.

jeeper1 · Jul 23, 2009

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MirkoCrocop · Jul 23, 2009

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I love that sign:celebrateIts hard to believe that so many people that are general managers with college educations cant wrap their head around such a simple concept. I am 19 and understand that criminals dont abide by laws let alone rules of a business

Theseus · Jul 23, 2009

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MirkoCrocop wrote:

I love that sign:celebrateIts hard to believe that so many people that are general managers with college educations cant wrap their head around such a simple concept. I am 19 and understand that criminals dont abide by laws let alone rules of a business

I almost wonder if they are more affraid of the cost and not the actual criminal act?

Let me put it this way, a business is not responsible for any liability if a criminal walks in and shoots my family dead and steals their money.

If, the store hires security and the security guard misses and accidentally hits and kills me and the bad guy, then they would be liable.

It is cheaper and less trouble it would seem to simply take the risk.

Now, if we made them liable for protecting us and provided for a certain level of indemnity then I think businesses would not care so much.

MirkoCrocop · Jul 24, 2009

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Theseus wrote:

MirkoCrocop wrote:

I love that sign:celebrateIts hard to believe that so many people that are general managers with college educations cant wrap their head around such a simple concept. I am 19 and understand that criminals dont abide by laws let alone rules of a business

Click to expand...

I almost wonder if they are more affraid of the cost and not the actual criminal act?

Let me put it this way, a business is not responsible for any liability if a criminal walks in and shoots my family dead and steals their money.

If, the store hires security and the security guard misses and accidentally hits and kills me and the bad guy, then they would be liable.

It is cheaper and less trouble it would seem to simply take the risk.

Now, if we made them liable for protecting us and provided for a certain level of indemnity then I think businesses would not care so much.

so you're saying they care more about saving legal fees than helping to preventinnocent customers from being slaughtered? What kind of world do we live in?

jeeper1 · Jul 24, 2009

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What kind of world do we live in?

A country with way too many shysters in it.

Ironbar · Jul 28, 2009

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hercprsound,

Although I can certainly understand your frustration with Kroger, the bottom line is that their store is private property. It is absolutely NO different than if you were to open carry into a house, and the homeowner asks you to leave because they do not alow guns on their property. You cannot force them to accept your opengun toting anymore than they can force you into buying one of their products.

I just don't get how people can be pissed off at any establishment that does not allow guns on their premises. I'd say that if they allow you to carry concealed then that is indeed a good compromise.

MSC 45ACP · Jul 29, 2009

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jeeper1 wrote:

Has anyone made any of these signs? I would LOVE to buy them somewhere and slap them on a door to an anti's business. They would need to have that really good expensive glue to stick really well (like LEO's have on their "tow this car" orange stickers they slap on broken down cars on the highway) and of course you wouldn't want to get caught applying it.

On second thought... I don't think I would actually apply it to the business' door. I wouldn't want to face a vandalism charge or put my fellow OCers in a bad light. I would consider giving the sticker to the manager and ask him to kindly post the sticker on his door. We have a good thing going here in Virginia. We still run into a fewuneducated LEO's and some folks that are just mean spirited or brainwashed sheep, but its a movement with momentum.

Phoenix David · Sep 9, 2009

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Now that would make a good t-shirt to wear to a store that has banned guns

Sonora Rebel · Sep 9, 2009

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This sign would apply to some Cities 'n States as well.

SouthernBoy · Sep 10, 2009

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MirkoCrocop wrote:

I love that sign:celebrateIts hard to believe that so many people that are general managers with college educations cant wrap their head around such a simple concept. I am 19 and understand that criminals dont abide by laws let alone rules of a business

:exclaim:

It's because regardless of the costs, they will never cease from offering innocent victims on their alter of submission because to do so would be to admit that their whole premise is in total error.

hopnpop · Sep 10, 2009

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Ironbar wrote:

hercprsound,

Although I can certainly understand your frustration with Kroger, the bottom line is that their store is private property. It is absolutely NO different than if you were to open carry into a house, and the homeowner asks you to leave because they do not alow guns on their property.

I just don't get how people can be pissed off at any establishment that does not allow guns on their premises.

No different than carrying into someone's house? I beg to differ - it's very different. My house, as well as every other house I know of, is NOT open to the public. Homes are not stocking up shelves and relying on patrons to buy items. To me, open to the public means just that - open to the public. If someone is violating a law on their premises, that's one thing - but not allowing a perfectly legal action such as wearing a holstered weapon is something entirely different. ...And after OC-ing all around town, running various errands, etc. you get to the store and they ask you to leave because you're legally armed? You can't see why that would piss someone off? After going to the hardware store, the local cafe, gas station, book store, bank, etc. without a problem, then Kroger kicks you out... You still can't see why that would be an irritant?
It's easy, watch... walking into OC friendly store -

...walking into non-OC-friendly store and being kicked out -:banghead:. See?

hopnpop · Sep 10, 2009

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Phoenix David wrote:

Now that would make a good t-shirt to wear to a store that has banned guns

That got me thinking... Want a great boycott idea? Print up a half dozen of these signs on shirts and get a few people together to stand at the establishment's driveway (where it's legal and not loitering). I'd think that would at least turn some heads.

HankT · Sep 10, 2009

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Theseus wrote:

I almost wonder if they are more affraid of the cost and not the actual criminal act?

Let me put it this way, a business is not responsible for any liability if a criminal walks in and shoots my family dead and steals their money.

If, the store hires security and the security guard misses and accidentally hits and kills me and the bad guy, then they would be liable.

It is cheaper and less trouble it would seem to simply take the risk.

Now, if we made them liable for protecting us and provided for a certain level of indemnity then I think businesses would not care so much.

Cost and risk are BIG factors in retail store policies. It's kind of, uhm, business-like to take those things into consideration. Very normal. Management has an imperative to deal with those kinds of things, making the best decisions for the owners of the firm.

Making the firm liable for our safety is a fine idea--if it could be done. But how?

And what impact would such a change cause in the way of operations expenses? And, subsequently, to prices?

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