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    I think Seattleric007 is looking for so sort of justification because I said no such thing regarding Daves comments at the willow lake meeting and I am pretty pissed he would involk my name as doing so.He had better delete it because i have little tolerance for liars and aspineless a$$ looking for a pat on the head.

    Besides anyone knows I never ask police or anyone else if I can carry my sidearm.Anywhere....

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    Mike Cheney of "Citizens of Seattle for the 2nd Amendment", got the ok from Seattle Police Dept.
    Why?

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    deanf wrote:
    Mike Cheney of "Citizens of Seattle for the 2nd Amendment", got the ok from Seattle Police Dept.
    Why?
    He didn't get the okay. He merely advised them that we'd be there in case there were any MWAG calls. In any case, the police lieutenant he spoke with was very supportive.

    ETA: And DEROS72 is right. He didn't say anything It was all me... after stumbling onto the topic.
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    Bookman was correct when he stated that Dave Workman said somebody intended to open carry at Bite of Seattle, regardless of the law. Dave said this in the context of people thinking that the right to carry was absolute and that it isn't. However, he never said who this was (that I heard - transport aircraft were taking off from SEA repeatedly and Dave didn't wait for their noise to subside before continuing.)

    Deros, I haven't gotten the idea that seattleric007 is looking for any special attention for his activities or efforts. What he has done is to post his intentions and his motives for our mutual benefit (and got no replies until after the event.) Thanks to you and Bookman for attending. Misunderstandings happen, especially attribution when several people are talking.

    My apologies for not supporting you today, seattleric. Maybe next time.

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    Machoduck wrote:
    Bookman was correct when he stated that Dave Workman said somebody intended to open carry at Bite of Seattle, regardless of the law. Dave said this in the context of people thinking that the right to carry was absolute and that it isn't. However, he never said who this was (that I heard - transport aircraft were taking off from SEA repeatedly and Dave didn't wait for their noise to subside before continuing.)

    Deros, I haven't gotten the idea that seattleric007 is looking for any special attention for his activities or efforts. What he has done is to post his intentions and his motives for our mutual benefit (and got no replies until after the event.) Thanks to you and Bookman for attending. Misunderstandings happen, especially attribution when several people are talking.

    My apologies for not supporting you today, seattleric. Maybe next time.

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    I didn't know it was Seattleric007 either until he identified himself as the organizer in question. After speaking to him about it it sounds like he and Dave were at either end of a string of people and the message was garbled in transmission.
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    Well why in the hell is anyone asking the police what the law is?
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    He didn't ask what the law is. It was a simple courtesy call. Nothing more.
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    What you have done to make Dave upset?

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    To my knowledge guns were ban on that event. So, how you can manage to organise OC gathering on that event? I am in impression that you were thinking of that, when you found weapons are not allowed in that event you droped idea.

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    So as per you Dave asked you/us not to excercise our right to bear arms because it will tick off Mayor?

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    If he meant at bite of Seattle I agree if he meant in general, I wouldn't the law is the law. If I go to a public park I will open carry. That is my normal method of carry and it is legally protected by the state.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    Anyways weapons were banned at seattle bite fest. So there is no question of carrying there, even OP said that he quit the idea of coordinating OC gathering at the event. So I am trying to understand If we do OC meeting at a park or other legal places where carrying weapon is allowed, whats the problem in that.

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    None Paji, its just that some don't "want to make waves". If its legal and you want to do it than do it. Of course we use prudence and common sense.

    Its like a breast feeding mother who wants to feed in her infant in public, it's legal its her choice. Would another breast feeding mother who doesn't like feeding in public have the right to tell her not to because it could harm the breast feeding cause?

    Just some food for thought.

    Sometimes that's how I feel that the pro CC'ers are like this. We need to unite and support all methods of carry. Whether it is the method you would choose or not.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    I totally agree with you SVG, My point is when we exercise our rights there will be alot who will not like it, So, because of them we should not stop to practice our right and those things what we believe in and of course are legal to do

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    exactly
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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    It's not up to us to "win them over". We don't have to. They have the right to disagree with us. Our aim in OC is to:

    A. Exercise our right to carry a firearm.

    B. Fight the hoplophobia by getting people used to seeing others carrying a firearm openly.

    C. Educate any of the general public who show interest.

    D. Educate the police in the few cases where it becomes necessary.

    E. Show solidarity with other 2A supporters.


    As I said, we don't have to win them over. We're legal and they need to know it. Once that's done they're on their own to make an INFORMED decision as to where they stand.
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    seattleric007 wrote:
    I'm wondering SVG why do you open carry? I live in Queen Anne in Seattle,a very high end part of Seattle. I rent a small studiio apt., thats how I can afford to live here. I open carry around her and all it gets me is dirty looks or scared looks. One out of every 10,000 people I meet like it or approve of it. Its hard to make new friends when your the weird person in the neighborhood. Do alot of Supermodels or just pretty chicks come to your open carry events? Do we have alot of doctors and lawyer's, or astronauts in our group, or are we a bunch of misfits with insecurties that we can't even use are real names on the forums?I wonder if we pissoff enough people that our moving here that hate guns, will they out vote us and get rid of open carry? I would love to hear someidea's about how to win hearts and minds to the pro guncause, do youhave any? Eric.
    I carry because I can and it is legal. You need no further reason!!!!!!

    The majority of my encounters are positive, why yours are negative, is a question you should ask yourself. Who cares if supermodels come or not? We are regular people of all various backgrounds, what percentage of the population are doctors and lawyers and astronauts (and there are a few Lawyers and those in the medical feild on these forums)? Who is a misfit, who are you to judge anybody else? Some people like anonymity while posting so what? They might work for Law enforcement or a anti gun company. Or the privacy of open discussion without ramifications.

    We are not going to win hearts and minds of the anti's just not going to happen we just have to stand up and fight for what our rights our. And due to a lot of hard work of a few members on here open carry has started to gain acceptance, and has become easier for those were not willing to have a "negative encounter"

    Oh hint, the more you open carry in your neighbor hood and the more people see you and get to know you , your dirty looks will get less. Just ask others on here who open carry most everywhere they go. It is a personal choice if you are not willing to do it are to afraid or don't believe in it then don't, but I think it is unfair to ask others not to excercise their legal rights, because some people don't like it.




    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

    U.S. v. Minker, 350 US 179, at page 187
    "Because of what appears to be a lawful command on the surface, many citizens, because
    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
    rights, due to ignorance." (Paraphrased)

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