spiritof76
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I open carried into the office of the Southern Nevada Health District located on Shadow Lane in Las Vegas today. I was confronted by the Facility Services Manager and a security guard, who told me I could not O.C. there. The guard told me he could call metro (police) on me for doing so, and I replied that he was wrong about the law and that I expected the police would confirm that if he called them. He replied by asking "you really think the law says I can't kick you out of here for carrying a gun?" and then proceeded to call the police via his cell phone in my presence. I could hear the dispatcher say that they would be there in a few minutes. At that point, I told the manager and guard that I would go lock the gun in my car, so that when the police arrived they would not be confronting an armed person.
The building manager, guard and I went outside the building to the parking lot and waited together discussing the law. Within a few minutes, a half-dozen or so police units arrived and initiated an encounter with me which lasted about 10-15 minutes.
A young officer told me he understood it was legal to open carry in the building, but that I could still be trespassed by the building management for doing so.
Another of the officers later attempted to convince me that the law prohibited firearms in all public buildings. He asked me if I had actually carried the gun inside the building and when I told him "yes," he indicated that I had broken the law. I told him I knew for a fact that he was incorrect about that, and he asked another officer to bring out the law book. He turned to the section dealing with the intricacies of concealed weapons in public buildings and started reading me the actual definition of a public building, which was irrelevant. I responded by pointing out that the entire statute applied only to concealed weapons regardless and I was not carrying concealed, at which point he backed down.
The police concluded the encounter by asking me if they could run my gun's serial number to make sure it wasn't stolen, since as a Nye county resident I did not have a blue card to present to them. I told them the gun was locked in the car and I would not resist them, but I did not consent to anything. I was then told I was free to go, and I heard one of the officers ask the security guard if he wanted to trespass me. The guard indicated "no" and the police left. I then returned into the building, this time unarmed, to conclude my business.
Questions:
1) Did the So. NV Health District violate my rights by making me leave a public building where I had every right to be, and also by escalating the situation to the police?
2) Did Las Vegas Metro PD violate my rights by:
a) attempting to convince me I was breaking the law when I was not,
b) failing to inform the Health District personnel that I was within my lawful rights and immediately terminating the encounter, or
c) asking the Health District security guard if he wanted to trespass me for engaging in what had now been clearly established as lawful conduct?
I would appreciate any comments by those knowledgeable about the law.
If it appears this is actionable, I also request assistance in locating any pro-2A attorneys in NV that might be willing to work with me.
I open carried into the office of the Southern Nevada Health District located on Shadow Lane in Las Vegas today. I was confronted by the Facility Services Manager and a security guard, who told me I could not O.C. there. The guard told me he could call metro (police) on me for doing so, and I replied that he was wrong about the law and that I expected the police would confirm that if he called them. He replied by asking "you really think the law says I can't kick you out of here for carrying a gun?" and then proceeded to call the police via his cell phone in my presence. I could hear the dispatcher say that they would be there in a few minutes. At that point, I told the manager and guard that I would go lock the gun in my car, so that when the police arrived they would not be confronting an armed person.
The building manager, guard and I went outside the building to the parking lot and waited together discussing the law. Within a few minutes, a half-dozen or so police units arrived and initiated an encounter with me which lasted about 10-15 minutes.
A young officer told me he understood it was legal to open carry in the building, but that I could still be trespassed by the building management for doing so.
Another of the officers later attempted to convince me that the law prohibited firearms in all public buildings. He asked me if I had actually carried the gun inside the building and when I told him "yes," he indicated that I had broken the law. I told him I knew for a fact that he was incorrect about that, and he asked another officer to bring out the law book. He turned to the section dealing with the intricacies of concealed weapons in public buildings and started reading me the actual definition of a public building, which was irrelevant. I responded by pointing out that the entire statute applied only to concealed weapons regardless and I was not carrying concealed, at which point he backed down.
The police concluded the encounter by asking me if they could run my gun's serial number to make sure it wasn't stolen, since as a Nye county resident I did not have a blue card to present to them. I told them the gun was locked in the car and I would not resist them, but I did not consent to anything. I was then told I was free to go, and I heard one of the officers ask the security guard if he wanted to trespass me. The guard indicated "no" and the police left. I then returned into the building, this time unarmed, to conclude my business.
Questions:
1) Did the So. NV Health District violate my rights by making me leave a public building where I had every right to be, and also by escalating the situation to the police?
2) Did Las Vegas Metro PD violate my rights by:
a) attempting to convince me I was breaking the law when I was not,
b) failing to inform the Health District personnel that I was within my lawful rights and immediately terminating the encounter, or
c) asking the Health District security guard if he wanted to trespass me for engaging in what had now been clearly established as lawful conduct?
I would appreciate any comments by those knowledgeable about the law.
If it appears this is actionable, I also request assistance in locating any pro-2A attorneys in NV that might be willing to work with me.