Page 1 of 11 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 263

Thread: Has anyone heard what happened to Anty?

  1. #1
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Hammond, LA, ,
    Posts
    22

    Post imported post

    I wasn't sure if this had been discussed already and didn't want to post the story again.

  2. #2
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    near Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    179

    Post imported post

    No clue what you are talking about.

    Share the story!

  3. #3
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Hammond, LA, ,
    Posts
    22

    Post imported post

    Supposedly, he was involved in a "drug deal gone bad" in Clinton, LA yesterday or the day before. The other party struck him with the butt ofan AK47and he shot and killed them. Since the shooting occured during a drug deal, (They are saying it is not self defense) he has been arrested and charged with First Degree Murder.



    This is all 3rd hand information, but it was supposedly in today's Morning Advocate. Also, I am not saying he is guilty/not guilty/wrong/right. Please do not read into my post words that are not there.



    I cannot find anything about this online, and have not see the newspaper story firsthand.

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    near Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    179

    Post imported post

    No I hadn't heard about that, but i'm up near Shreveport.

    Outta curiosity, how do you feel about it? Should self defense be ok to argue in that case?

  5. #5
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Hammond, LA, ,
    Posts
    22

    Post imported post

    I don't know enough about it to really comment. Sorry. I will upate as I find out more information.

  6. #6
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    near Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    179

    Post imported post

    LEO the Lion wrote:
    I don't know enough about it to really comment. Sorry. I will upate as I find out more information.
    I hear ya. I'm conflicted on it myself, I'd rather err on the side of caution I guess and say hey, if you shoot someone while in the process of committing a crime, and that crime itself is what put you in the position to have to shoot someone in the first place, then self defense can't be argued.

    Now if say it was a drug deal and some armed robber came around and tried to rob him and the dealer both and he had to shoot the robber and defend himself, I'd be more lenient towards allowing Self Defense. That's just me.

    In the end, I'd hope the jury would judge it on a case-by-case basis, on it's own merits, it's not really a black-n-white issue.

    All my opinion.

  7. #7
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Leesville, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    33

    Post imported post

    The charges are justified. A justified homicide - " shall not apply when the person committing the homicide is engaged, at the time of the homicide, in the acquisition of, the distribution of, or possession of, with intent to distribute a controlled dangerous substance in violation of the provisions of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law".

  8. #8
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    near Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    179

    Post imported post

    Oh I know it's technically justified, I'm asking what peoples opinions are. Agree or disagree with it being that way?

    Also I don't like that wording, "intent to distribute", always hated that, as if they can magically see into your brain and know you plan to distribute, maybe the dude is just stocking up? lol

    But seriously, slippery slope and all that... what's the magic cut-off number that shows intent to dist.? 1lb? 1/2lb? 2oz?

    Edit: And sorry, this is getting off topic, not really OC related (unless the accused was OC'ing at the time?)

  9. #9
    Founder's Club Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Fairfax Co., VA
    Posts
    18,766

    Post imported post

    Oscarr wrote:
    SNIP I hear ya. I'm conflicted on it myself, I'd rather err on the side of caution I guess and say hey, if you shoot someone while in the process of committing a crime, and that crime itself is what put you in the position to have to shoot someone in the first place, then self defense can't be argued.

    Now if say it was a drug deal and some armed robber came around and tried to rob him and the dealer both and he had to shoot the robber and defend himself, I'd be more lenient towards allowing Self Defense. That's just me.

    In the end, I'd hope the jury would judge it on a case-by-case basis, on it's own merits, it's not really a black-n-white issue.
    People have been killing people for a very long time. We've got what? 4000 years of common law and legal tradition in the West? The law has had a very long time to sort out these kinds of questions.

    Between court cases and statutes, I doubt there will be a real question on the law. The question will be more a matter of who is telling the truth about the circumstances, and which law applies to those circumstances.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

  10. #10
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    near Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    179

    Post imported post

    Citizen wrote:
    ...Between court cases and statutes, I doubt there will be a real question on the law...
    I'm aware. Again, I was just asking people's opinion on it.

  11. #11
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Leesville, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    33

    Post imported post

    Opinion....self defense. But the law is against him. I think that is a shame. IMO he should be charged with a drug crime - if it is proven that he was in fact committing one.

  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    near Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    179

    Post imported post

    Course, I'm of the mind drugs should be legal. 'The Gov' shouldn't be able to tell you what you can or cannot put into your own body. It doesn't work anyway, refrence: alcohol prohibition, current drug ware - abysmal failures.

    Punish people for their actions, alcohol is legal, drunk driving isn't. Getting in a wreck while drunk gets you in a lot of trouble. Replace alcohol with drugs now.

    Don't get me wrong, I've NEVER done a narcotic, never plan to (I can make enough mistakes on my own lol), but again, I don't like the gov having the power to dictate what I can or cannot ingest.

    But that's all a WHOLE nother can of worms lol.

  13. #13
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Leesville, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    33

    Post imported post

    Oscarr wrote:
    Course, I'm of the mind drugs should be legal.
    We can't do that. Our Congressmen need to make their $175,000 a year!!!

  14. #14
    State Researcher HankT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Invisible Mode
    Posts
    6,217

    Post imported post

    Citizen wrote:
    Between court cases and statutes, I doubt there will be a real question on the law. The question will be more a matter of who is telling the truth about the circumstances, and which law applies to those circumstances.
    This is good common sense. In a case as described, for all parties involved, including bystanders like us, it's best to assume that everybody involvedis lying.

    For all we know, the "defender" might have been the "aggressor."

    What kind of drugs were involved, I wonder?

  15. #15
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    545

    Post imported post

    I just read the story in the Advocate. It's is the Sunday Advocate 7/26/09 on page 5B.

    They don't have it online, maybe tomorrow.

  16. #16
    State Researcher HankT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Invisible Mode
    Posts
    6,217

    Post imported post

    charlie12 wrote:
    I just read the story in the Advocate. It's is the Sunday Advocate 7/26/09 on page 5B.

    They don't have it online, maybe tomorrow.
    What are the details?





  17. #17
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    545

    Post imported post

    HankT wrote:
    charlie12 wrote:
    I just read the story in the Advocate. It's is the Sunday Advocate 7/26/09 on page 5B.

    They don't have it online, maybe tomorrow.
    What are the details?



    The headline is, Clinton drug deal leaves man dead; three arrested.


    Looks like a drug deal the story says "An apparent drug deal went sour Friday night in Clinton.

    Seem like Matthew and Barnes were at Matthew's residence Friday about 11pm when AnthonyManzella and Andrew Robertson both of Hammond arrived for an apparent drug deal.
    As Manzella and Robertson entered the residence Matthew pulled out an AK-47 assault rifle and struck Manzella on theback of the head with the butt of the gun, Dunn said (Dunn is from Clinton PD) Manzella responded by shooting Matthew once with a .40 cal. Glock and Matthew died withinminutes.

    After the shooting the three men ran out in the street and Barnes approached a Clinton police officer who just happened to be patrolling the street at that moment Dunn said.
    The LEO stopped all three and arrested them CPD recovered the glock and one shell casing from the glock and the AK.
    Manzella's head wound was treated by Acadian at the scene.

    The are questioning one other person who may have been involved.

    the booked Johnny Barnes 27, 3302 Quiet Lane, Jackson, Anthony Manzella, 19, 52423 Piazza Rd. Hammond and Andrew Robertson, 23 14568 Kohnke Hill Rd. Hammond.

    That's is most of the important stuff hope I got it all right. I wonder if he was OCing?

  18. #18
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Hammond, LA, ,
    Posts
    22

    Post imported post

    Thanks for the info.

  19. #19
    State Researcher HankT's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    Invisible Mode
    Posts
    6,217

    Post imported post

    charlie12 wrote:
    The headline is, Clinton drug deal leaves man dead; three arrested.


    Looks like a drug deal the story says "An apparent drug deal went sour Friday night in Clinton.

    Seem like Matthew and Barnes were at Matthew's residence Friday about 11pm when AnthonyManzella and Andrew Robertson both of Hammond arrived for an apparent drug deal.
    As Manzella and Robertson entered the residence Matthew pulled out an AK-47 assault rifle and struck Manzella on theback of the head with the butt of the gun, Dunn said (Dunn is from Clinton PD) Manzella responded by shooting Matthew once with a .40 cal. Glock and Matthew died withinminutes.

    After the shooting the three men ran out in the street and Barnes approached a Clinton police officer who just happened to be patrolling the street at that moment Dunn said.
    The LEO stopped all three and arrested them CPD recovered the glock and one shell casing from the glock and the AK.
    Manzella's head wound was treated by Acadian at the scene.

    The are questioning one other person who may have been involved.

    the booked Johnny Barnes 27, 3302 Quiet Lane, Jackson, Anthony Manzella, 19, 52423 Piazza Rd. Hammond and Andrew Robertson, 23 14568 Kohnke Hill Rd. Hammond.
    What a mess. I hope he gets good legal representation, pronto!

    I gotta speculate that the drug(s) involved wasn't just some marijuana...



    charlie12 wrote:
    That's is most of the important stuff ... I wonder if he was OCing?
    Is there any other way he could have been carrying a handgun? If he's only 19 years old he cannot carry concealed. Would need a CCW permit. I gotta guess right now(we'll find out later) that it's very possible Antywas OCing. That may account for his being hit upside the head with a rifle butt. You know, take the visibly armed guy out by surprise...

    This could be a bad one.

    But we have to wait until more facts are in before anyone can say for sure. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

    I wonder ifhis crew and buddies (MEM?) over in LA are starting up a defense fund for Anty.

  20. #20
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Lake Charles Area, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    1,723

    Post imported post

    HankT wrote:
    If he's only 19 years old he cannot carry concealed.
    As if his age matters? The kids doing drugs, you think he cares what's legal?

  21. #21
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    27

    Post imported post

    FreeCitizen wrote:
    The charges are justified. A justified homicide - " shall not apply when the person committing the homicide is engaged, at the time of the homicide, in the acquisition of, the distribution of, or possession of, with intent to distribute a controlled dangerous substance in violation of the provisions of the Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law".
    +1


    From the reports... I will say he played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.

  22. #22
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    330

    Post imported post

    charlie12 wrote:
    The headline is, Clinton drug deal leaves man dead; three arrested.


    Looks like a drug deal the story says "An apparent drug deal went sour Friday night in Clinton.

    Seem like Matthew and Barnes were at Matthew's residence Friday about 11pm when AnthonyManzella and Andrew Robertson both of Hammond arrived for an apparent drug deal.
    As Manzella and Robertson entered the residence Matthew pulled out an AK-47 assault rifle and struck Manzella on theback of the head with the butt of the gun, Dunn said (Dunn is from Clinton PD) Manzella responded by shooting Matthew once with a .40 cal. Glock and Matthew died withinminutes.

    After the shooting the three men ran out in the street and Barnes approached a Clinton police officer who just happened to be patrolling the street at that moment Dunn said.
    The LEO stopped all three and arrested them CPD recovered the glock and one shell casing from the glock and the AK.
    Manzella's head wound was treated by Acadian at the scene.

    The are questioning one other person who may have been involved.

    the booked Johnny Barnes 27, 3302 Quiet Lane, Jackson, Anthony Manzella, 19, 52423 Piazza Rd. Hammond and Andrew Robertson, 23 14568 Kohnke Hill Rd. Hammond.
    Is this on the web? If so, can you post a link. In the paper, Sunday's Advocate? I can't seem to find this story?

  23. #23
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    330

    Post imported post

    double post

  24. #24
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    near Bossier City, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    179

    Post imported post

    rmansu2 wrote:
    Is this on the web? If so, can you post a link. In the paper, Sunday's Advocate? I can't seem to find this story?
    charlie12 wrote:
    I just read the story in the Advocate. It's is the Sunday Advocate 7/26/09 on page 5B.

    They don't have it online, maybe tomorrow.
    Course, it may be online by now.

  25. #25
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Lake Charles Area, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    1,723

    Post imported post

    Here's Anty's whole story in the news paper.

    He's currently in jail, no bond on 1st Degree Murder charges at 19 years old.

    http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/s...;postcount=130






Page 1 of 11 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •