Kildars wrote:
FMCDH wrote:
Many, including myself, might argue that "carrying" a firearm on private property and "storing it in a private vehicle in a lawful manner" are quite different things.
If you, as a private property owner, allow me or my vehicle on to your property for the purpose of business or whatever reason, then its none of your concern whats inside my car or on my person as long as it does not cause you direct liability or contradict a posted or verbal request not to carry.
Besides, even if a business posted a sign that weapons were not allowed in cars on the premises...how would you propose to enforce this? You cant search customers vehicles for obvious reasons, and the law already states that any firearm left in a vehicle be hidden from sight.
On the carry side, you could set up metal detectors, but what kind of public business would stay in business long with that kind of PR nightmare?
A business might get away with it in Illinois, but not Washington. :?
Whether or not it is enforceable is really irrelevant, there are many laws on the books regarding firearms that are unenforceable, i.e. carrying into a bar. If there is a posted sign that they do not want firearms on the property. It is their right for them to post that as it is private property. Now, of course, you could violate their rights and lock your firearm in the car anyways as I'm sure many do. However, does this make it okay? Should the government A-OK this? The constitution applies to government which is why you do not have a freedom of speech on private property, the right to peacefully assemble, etc..
Why are the private property owners not allowed to regulate what comes on their property (whether known or unknown). I'm sure if you were anti-gun (which obviously you're not) you would not appreciate someone bringing firearms on your property if you specifically asked them not to.
Either I have misread your statement or I'm confused. The constitution applies to "we the people", not to the government. It gives us the right to free speech and the right to bear arms.
It does not give the government those rights.
My apologies if I have misunderstood your statement.
We have the RIGHT to defend ourselves going to said private property and leaving said private property. If it is a business we are patronizing we have a choice not to enter that said property.
However, many of us just don't have the luxury of picking and choosing who we work for. Yes, they have the right not to have firearms on the property, but they can't negate our rights off of their property by negating the law that says our firearms can be locked inside our car out of site.
The legislation would require them, if they didn't want guns in the business, to honor the state law allowing us to store and lock our guns in our cars when working.
You are stating that if we want to make a living, our employer is able to force us to gamble with our lives because they don't like guns anywhere on their property, thus disarming us off their property.
Cheers,
Bill