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    You can't fix stupid Sounds like the idiot was looking for trouble and FOUND IT

    http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...249&page=1



    From AR15.com:

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    Shot and Killed a guy this weekend in Clinton LA..

    Here are his post on Local Site. Bayoushooter.com http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/s...earchid=742243

    and on OpenCarry.org http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/search....&q=anty506

    I'm glad you guys have this thread. I was just about to make a thread asking some questions about this.

    I was wanting to find out if this would be OK on my part.

    My little brother went to a party at someones house one night where the dad allowed the high school kids to drink and smoke weed.

    Now the cops normally come to the parties and really don't say much about the kids drinking and they don't ever catch the ones smoking weed.

    Now here is where is gets bad in my opinion.

    While the party is going on, the dad decides to come out side with his gun and starts firing in the air for the hell of it.

    He told the kids it was blanks but we all know it was not blanks.

    Now this same kid is having a party tonight! I will be going to it this time to see what all goes on at this party.

    If the dad decides to come outside and start firing his weapon like a mad man, would a citizens arrest be 100% legal and would I be in any type of trouble if I pull my weapon to detain the situation?

    In my eyes, he was putting everyone's lives in danger.

    Would I be OK if I were to do this if it occurs tonight?
    Well I just got back from this party.

    Right before I went to the party I sat at the Tangipahoa Sherrif's sub station with my buddy who is the Sergent and told him I was about to go to this party and he said that he already had some complaints about what happened last time and that he was going to be breaking it up soon.

    Well I get to the party and as I'm talking to some people that I know, I am choked from behind and feel someone going for my gun. I try to get control of the gun but instead I get my gun pointed at me.

    Its the crazy dad pointing my gun at me and screaming what the f%%% you doing with a gun I'm on parole and house arrest and I told him I'm with Mr.(Sergent) from the Tangi Sherrif (as my buddy told me to say if there was any trouble and after I call he would come take care of it)

    Well the dad tells me he doesn't give a F*** who I'm with and pulls a gun from his waste and puts it to my head and says he will blow my brains out. I stayed calm and just told him to put his gun down and return my firearm. After some people go to him and calm him down, he gives me my firearm back and says get the f*** out of here.

    So as it would have no longer been a "good kill" as I was no longer threated with a gun to my head, I walked away and called the Sgt.

    Once all of the cops pulled in, he tried to appoligize of course and then once he found out that everyone was a witness to what happened including his son, he threatened to press charges on me for tresspassing with a weapon on his property.

    So I couldn't press charges on him even though he put his gun to my head while holding my gun in my cheast because he would press charges on me.

    So after talking to my buddy, he suggested I let it go or he would be pressing charges on me as well.

    What would you guys have done in this situation? I knew it was no longer a "good kill" (no kill is a good kill) and I knew that even if I did have control of my weapon when he put his to my head and I would have shot him, his weed head buddies would have shot me.

    It was a tough situation but I did use my head and stayed calm about everything, but what would you guys have done?

    I know this should most likely be a thread of its own, but I'm posting here as I was just talking about this party in this thread eariler today.






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    Hmm, there's always one.

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    Unpossible!! All legal gun owners are law-abiding citizens!!!

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    .... I would not have gone to the party to begin with. This guy obviously is hunting for a "good Kill" and put himself in a worst case scenario, that's a very dangerous attitude. Guys like this make the rest of us look bad..... Bad Apple.
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    Yeah, I saw someone here on OCDO asking about ANTY just recently.

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    Bad Apple...

    Timeto lump everyone into one pot. It is standard practice here.




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    See, there's a few issues here and acouple of myths busted...



    Myth #1: all legal gun owners are law abiding citizens

    Reality: everyone is a law abiding citizen... until they break the law



    Myth #2:it's unpossible for someone to grab your weapon from you when OCing

    Reality: it's really not that hard at all, especially in a crowded area, retention holster be damned - if I really want it, I'll break that holster into a million pieces. Yea, I know YOU'RE superman, and it could never happen to you, I'm talkingabout everyone else.
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    The biggest issue worth mentioning, is the mentality that all too many mall ninjas here have. I'm talking to you, the ****** canoe with the handcuffs, and you,Mr. 18 backupweapons, 7 knives, and a portable jailcell - there's a bunch of you around here. As was said, this guy was obviously looking to lay down his own law and ended up getting more than he bargained for. You want to lay down the law? Become a cop, they'll take anyone. You want to play tacticool ninja? Join the military, they'll take anyone too. Aside from that, your gun is for self defense, nothing more. It's not there to prevent crime, enforce the law, make you feel cool/special/badass, impress the ladies, or make you superior to anyone else. If you feel the need to become a vigilantly when you strap on that pos Glock, then do us all a favor and stay home, or, better yet, sell all your guns and start shooting roids with the rest of the jackasses atthe gym. That'll make you feel badass without allowing you to make us all look bad and get our rights further restricted.


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    Anty506 wrote:
    My parents HATE that I OC, but there is nothing they can do about it being that I support my self. My mom always said I was going to get in trouble and my response was, how would i get in trouble for doing nothing wrong?
    Something about a mothers intuition....

    Still, I'll reserve judgement until we get all the facts.
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    AWDstylez wrote:
    Unpossible!!* All legal gun owners are law-abiding citizens!!!
    now I remeber why I don't read the GD much.

    No one claims gun owners don't commit crimes. Statistics only
    show those with CHP's are less likely to commit crime.

    Take your troll bait elsewhere

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    Batousaii wrote:
    .... I would not have gone to the party to begin with. This guy obviously is hunting for a "good Kill" and put himself in a worst case scenario, that's a very dangerous attitude. Guys like this make the rest of us look bad..... Bad Apple.
    "play stupid games, win stupid prizes"

    browsing over his posts, he was looking for trouble. Buying drugs is an easy way to find it. So is heading to a party known for trouble

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    hsmith wrote:
    Batousaii wrote:
    .... I would not have gone to the party to begin with. This guy obviously is hunting for a "good Kill" and put himself in a worst case scenario, that's a very dangerous attitude. Guys like this make the rest of us look bad..... Bad Apple.
    "play stupid games, win stupid prizes"

    browsing over his posts, he was looking for trouble. Buying drugs is an easy way to find it. So is heading to a party known for trouble
    Agree.... Sad case, bad scene.
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    AWDstylez wrote:
    See, there's a few issues here and acouple of myths busted...



    Myth #1: all legal gun owners are law abiding citizens

    Reality: everyone is a law abiding citizen... until they break the law



    Myth #2:it's unpossible for someone to grab your weapon from you when OCing

    Reality: it's really not that hard at all, especially in a crowded area, retention holster be damned - if I really want it, I'll break that holster into a million pieces. Yea, I know YOU'RE superman, and it could never happen to you, I'm talkingabout everyone else.
    The term 'law-abiding citizen' is all about semantics. The Gestapo were law-abiding citizens under the Third Reich. If you really want to get to the point it's about moral citizens or even just citizens.

    And I'd like to see you break my holster into a million pieces. I'll bet you $100 you couldn't break it into a million pieces even if you ran it over with a Mack truck.

    Troll baiting mode disengaged.

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    See, there's a few issues here and acouple of myths busted...



    Myth #1: all legal gun owners are law abiding citizens

    Reality: everyone is a law abiding citizen... until they break the law



    Vigilantism exist, don't watch any Jody Foster movies .

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    N00blet45 wrote:
    The term 'law-abiding citizen' is all about semantics. The Gestapo were law-abiding citizens under the Third Reich. If you really want to get to the point it's about moral citizens or even just citizens.

    That was exactly my point, and has been my point since my very first post. People around here still like to use the term "law-abiding citizen" though.



    As for your holster, I don't care what kind you have, if I pull hard enough that gun is coming out.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Yeah, I saw someone here on OCDO asking about ANTY just recently.

    Good catch, Doug.

    Here it is. Sad case.

    Bad repercussions...



    Has anyone heard what happened to Anty?

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=29056






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    Notice that on AR15.com the title is written like coming from some MSM nut. OC had nothing to do with this kids mistakes.

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    Just finished reading all the kid's previous posts. It appears he goes looking for trouble wherever he can find it while OCing. Hindsight being 20/20, its too bad that someone couldn't have talked this hothead into NOT OCing until he GREW UP. My 18 year old daughter that OC's is a LOT more mature than this clown seems to be.

    Very sadly, he's learning how to grow up the hard way. I hope he finds a good lawyer.
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    Dustin wrote:
    Notice that on AR15.com the title is written like coming from some MSM nut. OC had nothing to do with this kids mistakes.
    AR15.com is a massive paradox.

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    N00blet45 wrote:
    The term 'law-abiding citizen' is all about semantics. The Gestapo were law-abiding citizens under the Third Reich. If you really want to get to the point it's about moral citizens or even just citizens.

    That was exactly my point, and has been my point since my very first post. People around here still like to use the term "law-abiding citizen" though.



    As for your holster, I don't care what kind you have, if I pull hard enough that gun is coming out.
    Sure you could pull hard enough to get the pistol out of the holster by bypassing the retention flap. However you'd be so strong that you're tearing through tough plastic and nylon. If you're that strong you could tear my arms away from my body and wouldn't need a firearm in the first place. It's called a 'suicide-flap holster' for a reason, I have to practically commit suicide before you'll be able to get it away from me.



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    N00blet45 wrote:
    AWDstylez wrote:
    N00blet45 wrote:
    The term 'law-abiding citizen' is all about semantics. The Gestapo were law-abiding citizens under the Third Reich. If you really want to get to the point it's about moral citizens or even just citizens.

    That was exactly my point, and has been my point since my very first post. People around here still like to use the term "law-abiding citizen" though.



    As for your holster, I don't care what kind you have, if I pull hard enough that gun is coming out.
    Sure you could pull hard enough to get the pistol out of the holster by bypassing the retention flap. However you'd be so strong that you're tearing through tough plastic and nylon. If you're that strong you could tear my arms away from my body and wouldn't need a firearm in the first place. It's called a 'suicide-flap holster' for a reason, I have to practically commit suicide before you'll be able to get it away from me.



    :quirky

    Tell you what, bring it over and we'll try it.

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    Ok. Let's do it. I'll bring my loaded pistol in its holster and we'll see if you can get it out before I can. If you win you can shoot me with it. If I win I get to shoot you.

    And now, back to reality.

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    N00blet45 wrote:
    Ok. Let's do it. I'll bring my loaded pistol in its holster and we'll see if you can get it out before I can. If you win you can shoot me with it. If I win I get to shoot you.

    And now, back to reality.


    Sounds like a plan. There's just one catch. It's not going to be planned. I'm not going to come at you from the front. You're not going to be expecting it. You're not going to be ready for it. Icould jump you on a dark streetand knock your ass out before you could even figure out how to open that flap. That's how it happens in the real world and it's how this guy got his gun jacked. That's why all the people around here with the ninja attitudes need to relax.

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    That's how it happens in the real world and it's how this guy got his gun jacked.
    Kinda.

    Down some back alley, I'd have my hand on my piece.

    Anyway a party is not an ideal situation to be OC.ing at in the first place nor is it worth comparing.

    Could you imagine trying to maintain firearm retention if you were in the middle of this?



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    Dustin wrote:
    Could you imagine trying to maintain firearm retention if you were in the middle of this?

    That was exactly my point. But don't tell Mr. "suicide holster." It's completely unpossible to get his gun.

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    Easy there killer. Who said it was unpossible? I just said I could get to it before you could and that you couldn't smash it to a million pieces. Now it's turned into some kind of stalking game.

    How about we go back to reality?

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