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    Here are the worst states for freedom, as measured by police, per capita.

    In descending order.

    http://tinyurl.com/nuve5e

    Not a whole lot of surprises.

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    So....it's from "best" to "worst"? Washington does pretty well actually, then....surprised me.

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    compmanio365 wrote:
    So....it's from "best" to "worst"? Washington does pretty well actually, then....surprised me.
    Washington has one cop for every 625 people. Louisiana, the worst state, has one cop for every 256 people. Louisiana is so bad that they have one law enforcement employee for every 200 people.

    Shiver.

    Good on Washington.

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    I'm not sure I follow how this is worst and best for freedom? It just seems to be numbers of officers... not numbers of anti-constitutional laws.
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    http://www.mercatus.org/uploadedFile...0%20States.pdf

    That report rates each state on much more criteria than just the number of government agencies.

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    ixtow wrote:
    I'm not sure I follow how this is worst and best for freedom? It just seems to be numbers of officers... not numbers of anti-constitutional laws.
    http://www.mercatus.org/uploadedFile...0%20States.pdf That report rates each state on much more criteria than just the number of government agencies.
    Let's be honest: freedom is the inverse of cops.

    A law can't pull me over for no reason and fabricate charges while threatening to kill me, only a cop can.

    As for that report, Florida is about the worst place for freedom in the world, yet they list it as akin to Montana?

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    List it next to Montana?

    Based on what criteria?

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    smoking357 wrote:
    Let's be honest: freedom is the inverse of cops.

    A law can't pull me over for no reason and fabricate charges while threatening to kill me, only a cop can.



    Quote of the month, right there.

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    How can you be anti LEO and call for more "reasonable restrictions" of our second ammendment rights?

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    smoking357 wrote:
    Let's be honest: freedom is the inverse of cops.

    A law can't pull me over for no reason and fabricate charges while threatening to kill me, only a cop can.

    As for that report, Florida is about the worst place for freedom in the world, yet they list it as akin to Montana?
    While true that laws can't kill you they make it much easier for the state to do so without fear of reprisal. As well if there are fewer laws on the books there are fewer laws for the police to arrest you for breaking.

    The number of police are not necessarily an indication of freedom. The quality of the police may be a factor in the difference of numbers, maybe the training in Oregon is more rigorous and thus they require fewer officers. Perhaps the police in Oregon are given a broad range of powers, whereas the police in Louisiana are more specialized. Or perhaps the people in Oregon are more civilized than Louisiana (Oregon doesn't have Mardi Gras).

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    If I ever moved out of the State of Virginia, I would look for one that has an "F" grade from the Brady Campaign.

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    N00blet45 wrote:
    While true that laws can't kill you they make it much easier for the state to do so without fear of reprisal. As well if there are fewer laws on the books there are fewer laws for the police to arrest you for breaking.
    This is starting to go in circles.

    The observable fact is that the places with the most cops have the least freedom, laws notwithstanding.

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    rugerdon wrote:
    If I ever moved out of the State of Virginia, I would look for one that has an "F" grade from the Brady Campaign.
    The main problem in such states is that the hillbillies have turned Jesus into Shiva.

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    rugerdon wrote:
    If I ever moved out of the State of Virginia, I would look for one that has an "F" grade from the Brady Campaign.
    Ugh. I just went to the Brady Campaign website, to see their "report card"...

    I immediately felt violated by the levels of ignorance emitted from my screen.

    I need a long, hot shower.

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    Why...whatever do you mean?

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    rugerdon wrote:
    Why...whatever do you mean?
    My poor intellect has been RAPED by the complete morons at the Brady Campaign!

    I don't think I will ever feel clean again.

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    Phoenixphire wrote:
    rugerdon wrote:
    Why...whatever do you mean?
    My poor intellect has been RAPED by the complete morons at the Brady Campaign!

    I don't think I will ever feel clean again.
    Forget about yourself, you had a choice and you made it... what about your poor monitor? You forced that crap upon it, with no concern for it's interests...

    For shame....

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    thx997303 wrote:
    How can you be anti LEO and call for more "reasonable restrictions" of our second ammendment rights?
    wat

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    smoking357 wrote:
    ixtow wrote:
    I'm not sure I follow how this is worst and best for freedom? It just seems to be numbers of officers... not numbers of anti-constitutional laws.
    http://www.mercatus.org/uploadedFile...0%20States.pdf That report rates each state on much more criteria than just the number of government agencies.
    Let's be honest: freedom is the inverse of cops.

    A law can't pull me over for no reason and fabricate charges while threatening to kill me, only a cop can.

    As for that report, Florida is about the worst place for freedom in the world, yet they list it as akin to Montana?
    As long as cops are enforcing laws that respect liberty, protect rights, and only prosecute force, fraud, and abuse, they represent no threat to liberty. Once the law steps outside those bounds, it's only a matter of time and incremental steps to authoritarianism. Good cops who refuse to enforce tyrannical laws will be replaced with bad cops, and even criminals.

    At the rate this country is going, Chinese style mobile euthanasia vans are just right around the corner guys and gals! Maybe they will sport American flag wraparounds, with an "In Government we trust!!" mantra?

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    Statesman wrote:
    smoking357 wrote:
    ixtow wrote:
    I'm not sure I follow how this is worst and best for freedom? It just seems to be numbers of officers... not numbers of anti-constitutional laws.
    http://www.mercatus.org/uploadedFile...0%20States.pdf That report rates each state on much more criteria than just the number of government agencies.
    Let's be honest: freedom is the inverse of cops.

    A law can't pull me over for no reason and fabricate charges while threatening to kill me, only a cop can.

    As for that report, Florida is about the worst place for freedom in the world, yet they list it as akin to Montana?
    As long as cops are enforcing laws that respect liberty, protect rights, and only prosecute force, fraud, and abuse, they represent no threat to liberty. Once the law steps outside those bounds, it's only a matter of time and incremental steps to authoritarianism. Good cops who refuse to enforce tyrannical laws will be replaced with bad cops, and even criminals.

    At the rate this country is going, Chinese style mobile euthanasia vans are just right around the corner guys and gals! Maybe they will sport American flag wraparounds, with an "In Government we trust!!" mantra?
    This is part of why I have little to no respect for Law Enforcement. Pretending to be blind to the evil that so many laws are, makes them nothing more than henchmen.

    Didn't take much exposure to them to realize I'd sooner spit on the uniform than wear it.

    The mere presence of them, alone, is not the issue.
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    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

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    Top Ten Worst States in the Union

    10. Connecticut -0.225
    9. Illinois -0.238
    8. Massachusetts -0.242
    7. Washington -0.275
    6. Hawaii -0.304
    5. Maryland -0.405
    4. California -0.413
    3. Rhode Island -0.430
    2. New Jersey -0.457
    1. New York -0.784

    Very telling that every single one of the worst States in the Union for freedom and Liberty are very Liberal States. With all the Californians moving to Washington to escape the hell they created in California, Washington will soon be in the Top Five. The worst part is, is that Liberals actually think they're doing good.
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    Do not read too much into the statistics. Take them at face value. More officers equals more restrictions on freedom. Period. The statisticsare simple and effective, and tell a great dealabout each state.

    New York City has an enormous police department. The downstate suburban counties and the largerupstate cities allhave large police departments, they feel they need them because of the high crime rates.

    High crime rate areas tend to have less freedom because the politicians can get away withgreater restrictions on freedom. Therefore, rights are highly restricted.

    Rural areas in NY have fewer officers, because they have less crime to deal with. Politicians there are concerned that restrictions on rights will be fought with the vote. Therefore rights are not restricted.

    Statistically, more cops equals fewer rights.

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    WheelGun wrote:
    Do not read too much into the statistics. Take them at face value. More officers equals more restrictions on freedom. Period. The statisticsare simple and effective, and tell a great dealabout each state.

    New York City has an enormous police department. The downstate suburban counties and the largerupstate cities allhave large police departments, they feel they need them because of the high crime rates.

    High crime rate areas tend to have less freedom because the politicians can get away withgreater restrictions on freedom. Therefore, rights are highly restricted.

    Rural areas in NY have fewer officers, because they have less crime to deal with. Politicians there are concerned that restrictions on rights will be fought with the vote. Therefore rights are not restricted.

    Statistically, more cops equals fewer rights.
    If one subscribes to the ideal that "it is only illegal if you get caught," then you are correct.

    In the shade, all actions, even murder, are freedoms; as long as the State doesn't see it.

    In most things, the idea that 'somewhere in between' or 'a happy medium,' is where civilization or 'morally correct' might be found. But, this is usually just a self-imposed smokescreen for encroachment.

    'right' is usually a completely different perspective, not somewhere in between two wrongs.
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    WheelGun wrote:
    Do not read too much into the statistics. Take them at face value. More officers equals more restrictions on freedom. Period. The statisticsare simple and effective, and tell a great dealabout each state.

    New York City has an enormous police department. The downstate suburban counties and the largerupstate cities allhave large police departments, they feel they need them because of the high crime rates.

    High crime rate areas tend to have less freedom because the politicians can get away withgreater restrictions on freedom. Therefore, rights are highly restricted.

    Rural areas in NY have fewer officers, because they have less crime to deal with. Politicians there are concerned that restrictions on rights will be fought with the vote. Therefore rights are not restricted.

    Statistically, more cops equals fewer rights.
    Try starting a business. Then, while running it, tell me that these restrictions on your freedom are not bad. They are in many ways worse than having a ton of cops on the street. New York and Washington State are very similar in regards to overbearing regulations that suck freedom from the marrow of our society.
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